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1. Tent Williams: LT
2. Donavon McNabb: QB
3. Jeremy Jarmon: DE
4. Perry Riley: LB
5. Carriker - in the Rams trade, then that pick went to Miami and became Morris for us.
6. Dennis Morris: TE/FB/HB/Donny Warren Baby
7. Terrence Austin: WR/Return Man
7. Eric Cook: C
7. Selvish Capers: OT

Not bad my friends, not bad.

With just a little luck, this grades out pretty well in a couple of years.

If we could go back, would we have still gotten Jarmon? We got him when we ran a 4-3. How does he fit in a 3-4?

You forgot about Phillip buchanon =)

We went into the draft with 4 picks, and wound up with 7 new players AND a 4th round pick in 2012 for Jason Campbell.

Who said things haven't changed???

cleg wrote:1. Tent Williams: LT
2. Donavon McNabb: QB
3. Jeremy Jarmon: DE
4. Perry Riley: LB
5. Carriker - in the Rams trade, then that pick went to Miami and became Morris for us.
6. Dennis Morris: TE/FB/HB/Donny Warren Baby
7. Terrence Austin: WR/Return Man
7. Eric Cook: C
7. Selvish Capers: OT

Not bad my friends, not bad.

Nicely put together Cleg! I agree, it is a good looking group. A lot of positives you could take from this:

Carriker is easily better than any 5th round DL in the draft. Plus Haslett has some personal knowledge with him, so he is a known quantity as far as work ethic and accountability.

McNabb is likely better than any QB in this draft. For sure he is better over the next few years and he will instantly be a valued leader in the huddle and locker room.

Cook played all three OL positions so if you're drafting for depth, he has versatitlity.

Capers is described as a perfect fit for the zone blocking scheme. So his value to Washington is much higher than to many other teams.

Trent Williams is also a much better fit for the ZBS, plus he's a better run blocker than Okung. Both very important facets to the Shanahan offense.

Dennis Morgan is a beast of a blocker. Donny Warren comparison is a good one. Hopefully he can live up to it. Maybe his nasty blocking will rub off on some of his team mates!

Terrence Austin fills a depserate need for some competetion at punt and kick returner. He also was described by his HC at UCLA as the strongest player on the team, pound for pound. We could use a WR with some attitude and work ethic.

Perry Riley looks to be a nice fit for the 3-4 and brings some much needed depth at the position. we really needed an ILB because after Fletcher, Blades is the only other guy. You start two LB's inside, so, we really needed another guy, even if Rocky stays and plays some ILB too. He has some family in Richmond and is excited about being a Redskin.

Great draft considering what Shanahan and Allen had to work with. It may turn out to be the best draft in 10 years if weighted to consider the round these players were picked in. This team is better today than it was yesterday. Go Skins.

I loved this draft.

Great way to look at the draft. Best in years overall.

I wouldn't have complained if the FO had selected O-line with every pick simply to find keepers.

Every selection they made made sense . . . Been a decade, maybe more, since we've been ableto say that!

Now . . . Maybe a few diamonds in the rough in the undrafted free agent market.

I love this draft also. There is a lot of upside to these players.

Now if we could sign maybe LeGarret Blount and Jevon Snead as UDFA maybe it gets even better.

Other than the Morris pick I really like the picks that we made in this year's draft. Unlike the last regime, Allen/Shanahan seem to truly understand the importance of the draft. Great job of trading down to get more picks too.

Gnome wrote:Great way to look at the draft. Best in years overall.

I wouldn't have complained if the FO had selected O-line with every pick simply to find keepers.

Every selection they made made sense . . . Been a decade, maybe more, since we've been ableto say that!

Now . . . Maybe a few diamonds in the rough in the undrafted free agent market.

Has anyone noticed that the last five draft picks are all multi dimensional?
They can now move people around for the best matchups for the Team
their playin.

Hail

CanesSkins26 wrote:Other than the Morris pick I really like the picks that we made in this year's draft. Unlike the last regime, Allen/Shanahan seem to truly understand the importance of the draft. Great job of trading down to get more picks too.

Whatcha got against D MO...? you didn't see the youtube clip?

After all the madness I actually think Mike did pretty good. Cook, Capers and of course Williams will compete for starting spots on the offensive line immidiatley. I also like the LB pick up.

The addition of another tight end and receiver are the two picks I dont see making any sense. Probably was more for value then need. Anyhow, good job Shanny and Allen.

HEROHAMO wrote:The addition of another tight end and receiver are the two picks I dont see making any sense. Probably was more for value then need. Anyhow, good job Shanny and Allen.

The TE is most likely going to play FB. Go to his sticky thread, and watch the videos. You may change your mind.

I thought this draft was fitting.. NFC east. We add an OT, the iggles got a LB, gints got a DE and the weirdo cowgirls picked up TO.2

The Hogster wrote:We went into the draft with 4 picks, and wound up with 7 new players AND a 4th round pick in 2012 for Jason Campbell.

Who said things haven't changed???

And bonus, we gave up nothing in next year's draft

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:We went into the draft with 4 picks, and wound up with 7 new players AND a 4th round pick in 2012 for Jason Campbell.

Who said things haven't changed???

And bonus, we gave up nothing in next year's draft

A third or fourth for McNabb.

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:We went into the draft with 4 picks, and wound up with 7 new players AND a 4th round pick in 2012 for Jason Campbell.

Who said things haven't changed???

And bonus, we gave up nothing in next year's draft

A third or fourth for McNabb.

Yep, you got me there. We get it back the next year in the fourth, but I forgot we had given that one up. At least it wasn't a 1 or 2.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:We went into the draft with 4 picks, and wound up with 7 new players AND a 4th round pick in 2012 for Jason Campbell.

Who said things haven't changed???

And bonus, we gave up nothing in next year's draft

A third or fourth for McNabb.

Yep, you got me there. We get it back the next year in the fourth, but I forgot we had given that one up. At least it wasn't a 1 or 2.

Not a bad deal though, if you consider we lost Campbell, added McNabb and it cost us a 2nd rounder in the end.

Kiper's Grade:

Summary: I projected Washington to take Trent Williams with that No. 4 pick, but while I think Williams is likely the most talented offensive lineman in the draft, and should be able to go back to the left side effectively, I felt Okung was the safer pick. He was the guy most likely to take that left tackle position and solidify it from Day 1. Washington didn't pick again until No. 103 -- thanks to the Donovan McNabb trade, which factors into the grade. What also does, however, is that while they like McNabb, they get just a 2012 fourth-rounder for Jason Campbell, their starter of the past two years. So it comes down to Williams, a quarterback swap, and some linebacking and special teams depth. If Williams isn't really good, and early, this could be an empty draft in terms of added youth.

Grade: C-

chiefhog44 wrote:Kiper's Grade:

Summary: I projected Washington to take Trent Williams with that No. 4 pick, but while I think Williams is likely the most talented offensive lineman in the draft, and should be able to go back to the left side effectively, I felt Okung was the safer pick. He was the guy most likely to take that left tackle position and solidify it from Day 1. Washington didn't pick again until No. 103 -- thanks to the Donovan McNabb trade, which factors into the grade. What also does, however, is that while they like McNabb, they get just a 2012 fourth-rounder for Jason Campbell, their starter of the past two years. So it comes down to Williams, a quarterback swap, and some linebacking and special teams depth. If Williams isn't really good, and early, this could be an empty draft in terms of added youth.

Grade: C-

Kiper's a moron. He said we took the best guy, the guy he projected, but we made a mistake, we should have taken Okung. Then he said he factored McNabb, but doesn't seem to have, and he definitely ignored Jarmon who was first round quality and has a year experience. Trading Campbell for a #4 given reality was brilliant as it appeared we'd get nothing for him. We seem to have picked up some decent lower round guys as well. I'm not arguing for an A, but C- is pathetic. We also resisted trading for lower round picks giving up higher future picks. I'd say it was a solid B.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Kiper's a moron.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:He said we took the best guy, the guy he projected, but we made a mistake, we should have taken Okung.

If Williams out performs Okung, he'll say he was right. If Okung plays better than Williams Mel will point out he correctly stated we pick the wrong guy

KazooSkinsFan wrote: Then he said he factored McNabb, but doesn't seem to have, and he definitely ignored Jarmon who was first round quality and has a year experience. Trading Campbell for a #4 given reality was brilliant as it appeared we'd get nothing for him. We seem to have picked up some decent lower round guys as well. I'm not arguing for an A, but C- is pathetic. We also resisted trading for lower round picks giving up higher future picks. I'd say it was a solid B.

He gave a C- to a team that only had for picks in a seven round draft.

That's not a bad grade, but consider this team was in need of OL help and got two tackles that were projected to be 3rd rounders or higher and a center and that should upgrade that C- to at least a B.

Add in a guy that may provide depth at ILB and possibly a starting FB and you're in the B+ A- range.

Counting McNabb (2010 2nd pick) and Adam Carriker (dropped 28 spots in round 5 to get him)


Allen and Shanny should get a B or higher

It was hilarious watching Kiper's picks all miss. By day three, his "Best Available" list still had like everyone on it who was there from day 1.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Then he said he factored McNabb, but doesn't seem to have,

Are we sure that he factors it positively? I actually read that as him saying, 'they gave up a 2nd rounder for an aging QB, and that hurts them a bit for their draft grade.'

I'm not arguing for an A, but C- is pathetic. We also resisted trading for lower round picks giving up higher future picks. I'd say it was a solid B.

Kiper's been putting out these summaries on ESPN for many years now. I would like to take a look at his history and see whether he's ever given a team above a 'C' grade if they've had, say, five picks or fewer.

All in all, the entire ESPN draft day coverage was pretty pathetic and Kiper is a moron. I love listening to Sirius NFL on draft day. They have some of the best analysts and draft experts (like Gil Brandt). I love Boomer, but he's got to call it quits. Kiper is an idiot. Steve Young spent as much time as I did learning about these guys and constantly talked over Tom Jackson. At one point (when I decided to switch back for good the Sirius), Young was trying to choke down his sandwich after Boomer asked him a question. He was talking with his mouth full. Gruden was alright, but the guy wouldn't shut his mouth. He always plays the nice guy. It was a complete disaster.