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1) Stay at #4, draft Okung - Okung is the consensus 4th best player and he fits the Skins biggest need. He is solid, no known character issues.

So you might say, given the above, why look a gift horse in the mouth? You need a LT, the best LT in the draft is sitting there at #4, there's no real down side to drafting him. Done deal right? Well, not so fast

I don't see the Skins getting trade offers from teams wanting to move up to #4. What player would teams move up for? The top 3, Bradford, Suh and McCoy are gone. I don't see teams moving up to get Berry, #5 is about as high as a safety will be drafted, IMO. Moving up for Okung is unlikely, since Williams, Bulaga and Davis are all decent OL's available below #4. Teams don't usually trade up into the top 5 and when they do, it is for a game changing type player. Okung is more of a steady OL you hope to have for a decade. He's not rated like an Orlando Pace or Jonathan Ogden. Clausen will be available much lower than 4. So trading down is unlikely to happen.

Trade up? Despite some media outlets continuing to talk about a trade up for Bradford, I don't see it. Why trade picks for McNabb, if you intended to trade up for Bradford? It would have made more sense to keep Campbell as the interim starter and the (McNabb) draft picks if Bradford was your target all along. I think the media outlets reporting this are basically clueless.

How about a trade up to #2. I admit this makes little sense, unless it is fairly complicated. The best suitor for Haynesworth may be Detroit. AH's former coach is the HC in Detroit. More than likely he will just draft Suh and get AH's talent in a younger, less whiny player. But if he felt like AH was a perfect fit, he could offer the #2 for the Skins #4 plus some additional 2nd/3rd round picks.

2) Skins trade their #4 + Haynesworth for Detroits #2 + 2nd round pick. Why do the Skins do this? For one, maybe they are simply trying to get more value than Detroit's 2nd rounder? Maybe Detroit figures it is a wash because moving from #2 down to 4 makes little difference to them. They get their DT in AH and now use the #4 to select the best OL available, whether that is Okung or Trent Williams doesn't matter much. Also, the Skins might have some trade down ability with the #2 pick. #4 was almost untradeable, but #2 and the chance to get Suh is a big draw. Maybe the Skins get decent value for AH plus trade down from #2 and net additional picks later in the draft?

What if the Skins intend to stay at #4 but select someone other than Okung? Two players come to mind here. Trent Williams and Eric Berry. Williams may be a better fit for Shanahan's zone blocking scheme which demands lineman be fast and agile enough to pull and also to get to the 2nd level quickly to block LB's. Okung is athletic enough, but his blocking downfield is a little suspect. Williams and even maybe Bulaga are possibly better fits in this system.

Then there is Berry. With Landry's poor coverage skills and his bulking up to 230-240#, it seems obvious he will be playing closer to the line of scrimmage, out of necessity if nothing else. So who can play FS in Washington? Berry would be perfect. He is much close to Sean Taylor in terms of range and coverage ability than Landry is.

3) Skins stay at #4 and draft Trent Williams.

4) Skins stay at #4 and draft Eric Berry.

Do you have any first round scenarios other than the four listed above?

NO MORE SCENARIOS! Ya'll are making my head hurt!.. plus its all the same at this point

4) Skins stay at #4 and draft Eric Berry.

I just read on the Redskins Insider that the Skins are floating this idea. Does anybody REALLY believe we would pick a safety at #4? Even a stud like Berry?

I could be totally wrong but it just sounds like kind of a lame effort to get teams who want Berry to try to move up. I don't see how this team is in any kind of position to take a freaking safety with the #4 pick in the draft.

Here's the insider link, etc; if you're interested:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... emain.html

If you've followed Redskins Insider today, you've noticed we'll be assessing the chances of whom the Redskins might select with their first pick tonight in the NFL Draft.

Rick Maese reported the team might make a major move in an attempt draft former Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford, who will be the No. 1 overall pick. But if the Redskins stay at No. 4, we've heard they will strongly consider dynamic safety Eric Berry, whom I'll be writing more about shortly.

The Redskins believe Berry would be a perfect fit for their new defensive scheme and that he's the most talented player in the draft regardless of position, a person familiar with the Redskins' thinking informed me in a text message earlier this week. The Redskins ultimately might pick an offensive tackle because of their concerns about that position, the source explained, but Berry "could be their guy."

We've spoken with several of the players expected to be selected early in today's draft, and Berry came across well in my interview with him. Many within the league expect the Redskins to shake up things tonight, and drafting Berry would qualify.

Riggo, I will be furious if we pick him

In another thread I said the exact same scenario as what you mentioned with trading up to #2.

langleyparkjoe wrote:NO MORE SCENARIOS! Ya'll are making my head hurt!.. plus its all the same at this point

I know what you mean Joe. There are a good dozen more scenarios, but I don't see much movement for the 4th pick of this draft. The top 2 picks might draw some trade interest. Then some more trades further down. But between #4-8 or so, I don't see trades happening.

The SKins might make several trades for extra draft picks on Friday and Saturday though. Haynesworth, Campbell, McIntosh, Carter and LAndry are all possible trades. I'd say that Campbell is the most likely to go with McIntosh and Haynesworth at about 50/50 possibilities. Carter and Landry are remote possibilities.

I think we'll see Okung wearing a Redskins hat by 8:15 or so tonight.

frankcal20 wrote:In another thread I said the exact same scenario as what you mentioned with trading up to #2.

I posted it in another thread once too. Got all sorts of criticism for it. It is a little far fetched, but our main trade bait, besides the #4, is Haynesworth. If it involves the #4 and trading down, how do you add a player of Haynesworth caliber? You don't. But maybe Detroit thinks they can get BOTH a top DT and a top LT by trading with the Skins. It would be a bold move!

Here's the only way, I think, is we move out of #4:

1. Lions take Okung at 2 and one of the DT's is available.
2. Someone wants to jump ahead of KC to take Berry b/c the value is there.
3. Okung is there and there is fear that we draft him or KC drafts him.

That's just a few that I've thought about as being the most likely possibilities.

...to continue:

#4 - We move up by using Haynesworth to pick up Bradford and them move him to a team like Seattle for their two first round picks and maybe another mid round like a 4th. We can pick up a lineman in the 1st and then one of the stud CB's, a safety, LB or even a QB like Tebow as a future project player/trick play guy.

Okung is a boring pcik, a solid, steady LT who may not ever be elite but is almost certain to be a VERY good tackle for a long time.

I'm okay with that.

Eric Berry is an elite FS, he'll very likely be a great player, and he was a good enough cover guy to play CB in college. He is a damn fine player... but we need a LT, we need a FS too, but the o-line is something we've ignored for too long.

Can you say protect McNabb?. Please with that #4 pick take OL. What is this im hearing about trading with the Rams for the #1 and getting Bradford. Does this have any traction or legs?

probably a lot of smoke at this point. Everyone is saying the same thing - what the Skins do at #4 is going to be the biggest question mark of the day.

I must admit it is kind of mind boggling when you consider all the various scenarios - I will be fine with whomever we pick a 4 if we have to go that route - all of the guys that are likely to be there will very likely help this franchise for a long while

The one thing I will point out is that we are very lucky in my estimation to have these 2 guys doing this instead of Cerrato and Snyder what a waste that combination has proven to be - Shanahan having had a year off to evaluate and plan and Allen having the authority to be as bold as he can to try and make the moves we need to get this train wreck of a franchise back on the tracks



this could be one of the most exciting drafts for a long while

Skins Fan in Indy wrote:Can you say protect McNabb?. Please with that #4 pick take OL. What is this im hearing about trading with the Rams for the #1 and getting Bradford. Does this have any traction or legs?

I explained it in the original post. I think it is complete BS. Just the media looking for any story that can add drama to the draft. They assume the Redskins will always do something splashy. Problem is, I don't think Shanahan and Allen are necessarily splashy types. Bold maybe, but they won't make picks to sell tickets like Snyder/Cerrato did. They'll make picks to improve the team. Using all your resources to obtain both McNabb and Bradford will not be the wisest moves for the team.

SkinsJock wrote:The one thing I will point out is that we are very lucky in my estimation to have these 2 guys doing this instead of Cerrato and Snyder what a waste that combination has proven to be - Shanahan having had a year off to evaluate and plan and Allen having the authority to be as bold as he can to try and make the moves we need to get this train wreck of a franchise back on the tracks



this could be one of the most exciting drafts for a long while

I couldn't agree more!. I think we have a bright future with Shanahan and Allen in town.

frankcal20 wrote:...to continue:

#4 - We move up by using Haynesworth to pick up Bradford and them move him to a team like Seattle for their two first round picks and maybe another mid round like a 4th. We can pick up a lineman in the 1st and then one of the stud CB's, a safety, LB or even a QB like Tebow as a future project player/trick play guy.

I thought about this. Similar to the trade with Detroit idea. But why does STL do it? Why wouldn't they rather just trade down with Seattle or SF? Haynesworth again maybe? I think their fans might riot they've been worked up into such a Bradford frenzy.

The GM of StL said yesterday that the fan's would be happy. There's also a lot of fans out there that are upset that it's been rumored that Bradford does not want to play in StL. There's also a lot of people out there want Okung too because regardless of who's behind center, he needs to be protected and McCoy could be a better fit anyways.

Man, I heard a rumor that the Redskins could offer Haynesworth, Landry and the 4th for the #1 overall... I would be seriously upset if that happened.

Never listen to rumors on draft day... you'll end up on drugs.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Man, I heard a rumor that the Redskins could offer Haynesworth, Landry and the 4th for the #1 overall... :puke: I would be seriously upset if that happened.

I don't see how moving to the #1 for a player like Bradford makes any sense at all. Now if we were planning on taking out one of those players and using McNabb there, well then it would make more sense b/c then you could just have JC run the team this year and sit Bradford. I like having a rookie sit and watch a year to learn the NFL game. But I see that less than a 5% chance.

In my original post, I said i don't see any trade down options for the Skins because there isn't enough demand for the players available at #4. Berry being the most interesting, but I said i don't see a team using a top 4 pick on a safety.

Well, I just read in the Cleveland Plain Dealer that Holmgren wants Berry and fears either KC or Seattle will pick him. This could mean Cleveland might be interested in giving up a pick or two to move up to #4. Cleveland Drafts Berry and Washington moves down to 7 and takes the best LT still on the board between Okung, Williams and Bulaga.

This is an example where the draft value charts go right out the window. If the Skins really want to add some more draft picks and don't see much difference in the value between the top three LT's, they have nothing to lose and might accept a little less than your standard 300 point late 2nd round pick. By the way, Cleveland has three 3rd round picks.