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Landry beefed up for the 3-4!
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:12 pm
by Skinsfan55
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... insinsider
Double L is up 20 pounds from last season and he hopes to add 10 more to bring him to 240. He's planning on playing in the box more. Should make it so Brandon Jacobs doesn't run him over constantly next season.
Re: Landry beefed up for the 3-4!
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:14 pm
by Countertrey
Skinsfan55 wrote:http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/3-4-defense/landry-puts-trade-rumors-behin.html?wprss=redskinsinsider
Double L is up 20 pounds from last season and he hopes to add 10 more to bring him to 240. He's planning on playing in the box more. Should make it so Brandon Jacobs doesn't run him over constantly next season.
Sounds like he's serious!
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:19 pm
by fleetus
Sounds like he wants to be the next Roy Williams

Err, next Strong Safety too big and slow to cover anyone. I don't mean to be overly negative, but LL's issues had more to do with tackling and pass defense than size or strength. Unless he's moving to LB, not sure I understand the point.
(Unless there is some truth to all that 4-2-5 speculation we were doing a few weeks ago, with the idea that Berry is drafted as FS and LL is moved into the box. but that was all pretty far fetched)
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:22 pm
by Countertrey
I suspect he has been guided in this direction by coaching.
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:23 pm
by andyjens89
More on Landry
Check out that picture, btw.

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:28 pm
by Countertrey
Looks like a linebacker!

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:30 pm
by fleetus
Well, it's an interesting development anyway. Not sure how a dual safety defense, with no free or strong, uses a 230-240 lbs guy, but speed and play/coverage recognition is the key. So, if he doesn't lose too much speed and improves his coverage and tackling skills, then his size will not matter.
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:41 pm
by SkinsJock
Am I the only one that does not agree with the perception of what actually happened on that particular play? I saw Jacobs run at Landry and I saw Landry make a play that looked like he got "run over" but the reality is that Jacobs progress
was affected by Landry - the reality is that Landry, to me anyway, made a play! maybe not a play that saw Jacobs immediately go down, but nonetheless a play that not many safeties in the NFL could have made
Landry is IMO a very good safety and he made a play on a huge RB that a lot of other players his size would not have been able to make, end of story
Landry will continue to be making plays and hopefully for this franchise a long time after Jacobs is wondering what happened to his playing time in the NFL

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:46 pm
by SkinsJock
Landry or LL could be a huge plus for this franchise for many years - he has a really good head and he could be the defensive leader here given the correct guidance and leadership from his coaches
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:01 pm
by CanesSkins26
Countertrey wrote:I suspect he has been guided in this direction by coaching.
I'm not so sure. In his comments today Haslett made it pretty clear that there is no real strong safety in the scheme that he is going to be running.
One of the most repeated questions of the offseason was answered today, with a resounding yes ... and no.
The question seems simple: will LaRon Landry be moved to strong safety, where he can use his strength and hitting ability in close quarters, rather than spending time in coverage as a free safety?
On a basic level, the answer is yes: Landry told reporters today that he'd be "in the box a little bit more" this year, which also offers a reason for his increased bulk. (He claims to be shooting for an improbable-sounding 240 pounds, and is currently hovering around 230. "It ain't never gonna stop," Landry when asked about his muscle gain.)
But new defensive coordinator Jim Haslett raised an interesting point that clouds the waters a bit: there actually isn't a strong safety in this defense as such.
"In our scheme we don't have a strong and free," Haslett said. "We have a left and right, open and closed. You can call it what you want. They have to know both spots because of motions and shifts. You can call it strong, free, it doesn't really make a difference. They will all be in the box. They will all be in space. They will all blitz. They will all do a number of different things." (This also squares with Chris Horton's description of the two positions to me a few weeks back.)
And here was Haslett's analysis of Landry in particular: "I think you have to put him in the right spot. He is so, so fast that he doesn't know how to temper his speed. The guy is unbelievably fast, and I think once we can harness that a little bit and get him to take some better angles, I think he is going to be a better football player. The scheme will help him and some of the things we will do will help him. He's a talented kid, he really is. He has unbelievable speed. If we can take advantage of it and use it right, I think it will be to his best advantage and to ours. It will help us win more games."
All of which suits Landry just fine. "I don't wanna be put in a position like I was in last year," Landry said. "It wasn't -- I can't say it was the defensive scheme or anything like that -- but I was free safety, more of a 'savior' of the defense, and my gameplay is more an aggressive-type style. And bein' free safety, you've really gotta sit back and let things come to you, but in the defense this year, I'm down in more action."
(For those of you who scoff at the "savior" line, it's part of safeties coach Steve Jackson's terminology for Landry's role last year. When I interviewed Coach Jackson last offseason, he referred to Landry as traffic cop, angel, and -- yes -- savior.)
Landry had on a wide grin as he explained this. "It's fun. It'll be a fun year."
(And -- because I've been asked about this more than I care to acknowledge -- Landry also said that his white-faced capuchin monkey Gucci is "doin' great, man. Real great, and big," and thanked everyone for their interest. Landry is one interesting guy, that's for sure.)
http://blog.redskins.com/2010/04/18/laron-landry-to-be-strong-safety-in-a-defense-without-strong-saf/
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:02 pm
by CanesSkins26
Countertrey wrote:I suspect he has been guided in this direction by coaching.
I'm not so sure. In his comments today Haslett made it pretty clear that there is no real strong safety in the scheme that he is going to be running.
One of the most repeated questions of the offseason was answered today, with a resounding yes ... and no.
The question seems simple: will LaRon Landry be moved to strong safety, where he can use his strength and hitting ability in close quarters, rather than spending time in coverage as a free safety?
On a basic level, the answer is yes: Landry told reporters today that he'd be "in the box a little bit more" this year, which also offers a reason for his increased bulk. (He claims to be shooting for an improbable-sounding 240 pounds, and is currently hovering around 230. "It ain't never gonna stop," Landry when asked about his muscle gain.)
But new defensive coordinator Jim Haslett raised an interesting point that clouds the waters a bit: there actually isn't a strong safety in this defense as such.
"In our scheme we don't have a strong and free," Haslett said. "We have a left and right, open and closed. You can call it what you want. They have to know both spots because of motions and shifts. You can call it strong, free, it doesn't really make a difference. They will all be in the box. They will all be in space. They will all blitz. They will all do a number of different things." (This also squares with Chris Horton's description of the two positions to me a few weeks back.)
And here was Haslett's analysis of Landry in particular: "I think you have to put him in the right spot. He is so, so fast that he doesn't know how to temper his speed. The guy is unbelievably fast, and I think once we can harness that a little bit and get him to take some better angles, I think he is going to be a better football player. The scheme will help him and some of the things we will do will help him. He's a talented kid, he really is. He has unbelievable speed. If we can take advantage of it and use it right, I think it will be to his best advantage and to ours. It will help us win more games."
All of which suits Landry just fine. "I don't wanna be put in a position like I was in last year," Landry said. "It wasn't -- I can't say it was the defensive scheme or anything like that -- but I was free safety, more of a 'savior' of the defense, and my gameplay is more an aggressive-type style. And bein' free safety, you've really gotta sit back and let things come to you, but in the defense this year, I'm down in more action."
(For those of you who scoff at the "savior" line, it's part of safeties coach Steve Jackson's terminology for Landry's role last year. When I interviewed Coach Jackson last offseason, he referred to Landry as traffic cop, angel, and -- yes -- savior.)
Landry had on a wide grin as he explained this. "It's fun. It'll be a fun year."
(And -- because I've been asked about this more than I care to acknowledge -- Landry also said that his white-faced capuchin monkey Gucci is "doin' great, man. Real great, and big," and thanked everyone for their interest. Landry is one interesting guy, that's for sure.)
http://blog.redskins.com/2010/04/18/laron-landry-to-be-strong-safety-in-a-defense-without-strong-saf/
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:22 pm
by chiefhog44
Countertrey wrote:Looks like a linebacker!

Looks like a bad mo fo
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:58 pm
by Gibbs4Life
Errrric Berrrraaay
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:29 am
by brad7686
I'm down for a Landry/Moore combo, Landry SS
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:29 am
by yupchagee
I seem to recall that he was 220+ his rookie year & slimmed down. Sounds like he is about back where he started. He was very fast then so he probably still will be.
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:27 am
by frankcal20
I think most of us wanted him around the L.O.S. as opposed to covering Dudes in the secondary. That's his strength and for some reason, we featured his weakness in the past.
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:55 am
by HarleyHog
It sounds like the coaching staff are serious about designing the scheme around the players. To me, that seems like a nice change from years of playing talented people to their weaknesses. In my opinion, we haven't been ineffective because of lack of talent ( except , perhaps, the O-Line) but due to a failure to blend those talented individuals into a team.
Despite how horrible the team execution was last year, the individual talents STILL had us close enough at the end of most games for the outcome to be in question. Imagine if they were working as a coordinated unit! I sure hope that we will be seeing just that this season. enough is enough, time for the pain to stop.
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:00 am
by HEROHAMO
I must say 225 to 230 lbs is enough. He does not need to be 240lbs. He is on the verge of being a linebacker. Ed Reed is about 220 and Troy Polamalu is about 225lbs. There is no need to be 240lbs.
I do love the effort and preparation he is putting forth this off season.
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:08 am
by RayNAustin
SkinsJock wrote:Am I the only one that does not agree with the perception of what actually happened on that particular play? I saw Jacobs run at Landry and I saw Landry make a play that looked like he got "run over" but the reality is that Jacobs progress
was affected by Landry - the reality is that Landry, to me anyway, made a play! maybe not a play that saw Jacobs immediately go down, but nonetheless a play that not many safeties in the NFL could have made
Landry is IMO a very good safety and he made a play on a huge RB that a lot of other players his size would not have been able to make, end of story
Landry will continue to be making plays and hopefully for this franchise a long time after Jacobs is wondering what happened to his playing time in the NFL

I'm sorry to say, nice try, but LL was thoroughly flattened ... as in Wile E. Coyote under one of those boulders the Road Runner pushes off a cliff.
Just to refresh the memory:
Here is the hit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMNRCqTEJDU
Now for comparison purposes, this is London NOT getting run over but giving Jacobs a bit of the medicine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh16xeNi ... re=related
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:10 am
by RayNAustin
HEROHAMO wrote:I must say 225 to 230 lbs is enough. He does not need to be 240lbs. He is on the verge of being a linebacker. Ed Reed is about 220 and Troy Polamalu is about 225lbs. There is no need to be 240lbs.
I do love the effort and preparation he is putting forth this off season.
Maybe Clinton will be able to beat him in a foot race at 240.
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:18 am
by LORD GIBBS
Countertrey wrote:Looks like a linebacker!

Tell Jim Zorn in the back ground I said hello and what the hell is he doing here?

Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:22 am
by fleetus
frankcal20 wrote:I think most of us wanted him around the L.O.S. as opposed to covering Dudes in the secondary. That's his strength and for some reason, we featured his weakness in the past.
Featured his weakness? What, tackling and covering? How do you play a safety to cover up those weaknesses? On the bench!
Williams and Blache played safeties same as Haslett. No real Free or Strong. You play between the hash and numbers like Horton said. You cover, you play run, you blitz. Although, I bet HAslett feature more blitz than Blache.
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:36 am
by langleyparkjoe
Countertrey wrote:Looks like a linebacker!

I was watching them work out in the gym and Landry's arms looks like cannons on a naval vessel. I really can't wait to see him crush someone this year. I know he was a little disgruntled when he heard the trade rumors but he made a statement saying he understands that its the business and he wouldn't be involved in trade rumors had he played better. I respect and totally like that from the young man and I can't wait to see him crush someone.
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:12 am
by skinsfan#33
Gibbs4Life wrote:Errrric Berrrraaay
NO WAY! You CAN'T take a safety that high! Especially when that safety isn't the clear cut best safety in the draft!
I have seen Earl Thomas and Taylor Mays BOTH ranked above Berry by different "experts".
We can't afford any pick at #4 other than a OT or a trade down to get two OT.
W/O an OL it doesn't matter what the defense will do. And they most likely will stink under Haslett! So why give another player to the side of the ball with the most tallent (and worst coach)?
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:26 am
by fleetus
langleyparkjoe wrote:Countertrey wrote:Looks like a linebacker!

I was watching them work out in the gym and Landry's arms looks like cannons on a naval vessel.
But can he bring his hands close enough together to catch the ball?
