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I've read recently that the Raiders are one of the possible landing spots for Haynesworth. Okay fine. It is possible the Raider scould offer a better draft pick package than any other team. But one way they could sweeten the deal would be to add Seymour.

The Raiders traded for Seymour last year. He had a decent season, but was somewhat out of position in the Raiders 4-3. He's played 3-4 DE his whole career. LAst year, he played end, then would move inside on passing downs. No problem with that, but maybe Oakland could offer Seymour, an established 3-4 end and locker room leader and a say a 3rd round pick for Haynesworth.

Seymour is 30 vs. Haynesworth - 28. Seymour is regarded as one of the top 10 DE's in the league, Haynesworth is probably one of the top 2 DT's.

Then there is the money. If they trade Haynesworth, the Redskins will have already decided to swallow the 21M bonus already paid. It is doubtful teams will pay high draft picks + million$. That leaves AH's contract very reasonable over the next 3 years. Seymour was frachised by Oakland this year, which means if he doesn't sign a contract extension he will be paid equal to the top 5 DE's in the league for one season. Assuming the Redskins mught be a more attractive team for Seymour, maybe they could agree on a long term contract. That contract likely will cost more than what Haynesworth has left on his deal. So Oakland would need to add some picks, IMO.

Another Oakland player that has been tossed around in trade rumors is CB Asomugha. He is considered possibly the best CB in football. However, his contract is huge. This season he will be paid somewhere over the 10M mark and it is guaranteed money. Next season, he has to be paid equal to the average of the top 5 QB's or he becomes a free agent for 2011. So while I love the idea of him wearing burgundy and gold, Seymour is a lot more reasonable option.

No on Seymour for Big Al. I think we've got to focus on offense.

VetSkinsFan wrote:No on Seymour for Big Al. I think we've got to focus on offense.

So you mean, trade AH for picks, then use picks for offense? Let's say we get Okung or Williams at #4. So we have our LT. Then let's say we get a 2nd rounder this year plus another pick later. Who you picking in, say, the 35-40 range where Detroit, TB and Oakland all have picks?

Qb (McCoy/Tebow as a project behind McNAbb?)
RB (as depth/competition for Portis/LJ/Parker)
WR (as depth/competition for Moss/Thomas/Kelly)
OL (makes most sense for a RT or competition at C/RG)

Couple guys who might be there.
Asamoah G Illinois
Saffold G/T Indiana

At this point, since we've already eaten the $21 mil roster bonus, I'd bet that Seymour has a bigger contract than Haynesworth. And he's older, and, and . . .

I'm of the mind that we should play Albert wherever the coach wants him to. He has to show up for the mandatory things, but sending him packing would give him exactly what he wants.

The Hogster wrote:I'm of the mind that we should play Albert wherever the coach wants him to. He has to show up for the mandatory things, but sending him packing would give him exactly what he wants.

Except Oakland There's no way he wants to play for Al Davis on that Arena league team!

fleetus wrote:I've read recently that the Raiders are one of the possible landing spots for Haynesworth. Okay fine. It is possible the Raider scould offer a better draft pick package than any other team. But one way they could sweeten the deal would be to add Seymour.

The Raiders traded for Seymour last year. He had a decent season, but was somewhat out of position in the Raiders 4-3. He's played 3-4 DE his whole career. LAst year, he played end, then would move inside on passing downs. No problem with that, but maybe Oakland could offer Seymour, an established 3-4 end and locker room leader and a say a 3rd round pick for Haynesworth.

Seymour is 30 vs. Haynesworth - 28. Seymour is regarded as one of the top 10 DE's in the league, Haynesworth is probably one of the top 2 DT's.

Then there is the money. If they trade Haynesworth, the Redskins will have already decided to swallow the 21M bonus already paid. It is doubtful teams will pay high draft picks + million$. That leaves AH's contract very reasonable over the next 3 years. Seymour was frachised by Oakland this year, which means if he doesn't sign a contract extension he will be paid equal to the top 5 DE's in the league for one season. Assuming the Redskins mught be a more attractive team for Seymour, maybe they could agree on a long term contract. That contract likely will cost more than what Haynesworth has left on his deal. So Oakland would need to add some picks, IMO.

Another Oakland player that has been tossed around in trade rumors is CB Asomugha. He is considered possibly the best CB in football. However, his contract is huge. This season he will be paid somewhere over the 10M mark and it is guaranteed money. Next season, he has to be paid equal to the average of the top 5 QB's or he becomes a free agent for 2011. So while I love the idea of him wearing burgundy and gold, Seymour is a lot more reasonable option.

No way Seymour and a 3rd are worth Haynesworth. It would flat out weaken our team at a time when we can't afford to weaken it further because we don't love a guy personnally. By the way, here are a few guys who have had truly rotten attitudes: Jim Brown, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb,
Bronco Nagurski, Rick Barry, Kobe Bryant, John Riggins, Deon Sanders,
Dexter Manley, Clinton Portis, Randy Moss, T.O. Owens, Jimmy Connors, etc. A lot of the great ones are swell-headed and otherwise flawed. Live with it.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

fleetus wrote:I've read recently that the Raiders are one of the possible landing spots for Haynesworth. Okay fine. It is possible the Raider scould offer a better draft pick package than any other team. But one way they could sweeten the deal would be to add Seymour.

The Raiders traded for Seymour last year. He had a decent season, but was somewhat out of position in the Raiders 4-3. He's played 3-4 DE his whole career. LAst year, he played end, then would move inside on passing downs. No problem with that, but maybe Oakland could offer Seymour, an established 3-4 end and locker room leader and a say a 3rd round pick for Haynesworth.

Seymour is 30 vs. Haynesworth - 28. Seymour is regarded as one of the top 10 DE's in the league, Haynesworth is probably one of the top 2 DT's.

Then there is the money. If they trade Haynesworth, the Redskins will have already decided to swallow the 21M bonus already paid. It is doubtful teams will pay high draft picks + million$. That leaves AH's contract very reasonable over the next 3 years. Seymour was frachised by Oakland this year, which means if he doesn't sign a contract extension he will be paid equal to the top 5 DE's in the league for one season. Assuming the Redskins mught be a more attractive team for Seymour, maybe they could agree on a long term contract. That contract likely will cost more than what Haynesworth has left on his deal. So Oakland would need to add some picks, IMO.

Another Oakland player that has been tossed around in trade rumors is CB Asomugha. He is considered possibly the best CB in football. However, his contract is huge. This season he will be paid somewhere over the 10M mark and it is guaranteed money. Next season, he has to be paid equal to the average of the top 5 QB's or he becomes a free agent for 2011. So while I love the idea of him wearing burgundy and gold, Seymour is a lot more reasonable option.

No way Seymour and a 3rd are worth Haynesworth. It would flat out weaken our team at a time when we can't afford to weaken it further because we don't love a guy personnally. By the way, here are a few guys who have had truly rotten attitudes: Jim Brown, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb,
Bronco Nagurski, Rick Barry, Kobe Bryant, John Riggins, Deon Sanders,
Dexter Manley, Clinton Portis, Randy Moss, T.O. Owens, Jimmy Connors, etc. A lot of the great ones are swell-headed and otherwise flawed. Live with it.

To utter Jim Brown's name in any comparison to AH is laughable. I would bet a paycheck (that I actually work every week for ) that Jim Brown would tell AH where to shove his personal trainer. JB used to meet the team trainer early in the morning to get his medical treatment because he didn't want his teammates or opponents to see him banged up. AH doesn't have the work ethic JB had in his pinky. If you out work your opponents and always have your teammates backs, then some attitude can be a good thing. But bad attitude coupled with laziness and a disregard for others is certainly not good for the team.

fleetus wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:No on Seymour for Big Al. I think we've got to focus on offense.

So you mean, trade AH for picks, then use picks for offense? Let's say we get Okung or Williams at #4. So we have our LT. Then let's say we get a 2nd rounder this year plus another pick later. Who you picking in, say, the 35-40 range where Detroit, TB and Oakland all have picks?

Qb (McCoy/Tebow as a project behind McNAbb?)
RB (as depth/competition for Portis/LJ/Parker)
WR (as depth/competition for Moss/Thomas/Kelly)
OL (makes most sense for a RT or competition at C/RG)

Couple guys who might be there.
Asamoah G Illinois
Saffold G/T Indiana

WR (as depth/competition for Moss/Thomas/Kelly)

What about Marko Mitchell? He played great last year as a Rookie.
I think this kid has real potential to be an outstanding WR.

Hail

bbatty wrote:

fleetus wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:No on Seymour for Big Al. I think we've got to focus on offense.

So you mean, trade AH for picks, then use picks for offense? Let's say we get Okung or Williams at #4. So we have our LT. Then let's say we get a 2nd rounder this year plus another pick later. Who you picking in, say, the 35-40 range where Detroit, TB and Oakland all have picks?

Qb (McCoy/Tebow as a project behind McNAbb?)
RB (as depth/competition for Portis/LJ/Parker)
WR (as depth/competition for Moss/Thomas/Kelly)
OL (makes most sense for a RT or competition at C/RG)

Couple guys who might be there.
Asamoah G Illinois
Saffold G/T Indiana

WR (as depth/competition for Moss/Thomas/Kelly)

What about Marko Mitchell? He played great last year as a Rookie.
I think this kid has real potential to be an outstanding WR.

Hail

Good point. Marko is the forgotten man at WR. Mike and Kyle might find a diamond in the rough there.

also, The Skins brought Mardy Gilyard in for a visit last week. He's a WR out of Cincy and expected to be drafted in the 2nd round. Since the skins don't have a 2nd round pick, it brought some speculation that they might be expecting a 2nd rounder in a trade.

fleetus wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:No on Seymour for Big Al. I think we've got to focus on offense.

So you mean, trade AH for picks, then use picks for offense? Let's say we get Okung or Williams at #4. So we have our LT. Then let's say we get a 2nd rounder this year plus another pick later. Who you picking in, say, the 35-40 range where Detroit, TB and Oakland all have picks?

Qb (McCoy/Tebow as a project behind McNAbb?)
RB (as depth/competition for Portis/LJ/Parker)
WR (as depth/competition for Moss/Thomas/Kelly)
OL (makes most sense for a RT or competition at C/RG)

Couple guys who might be there.
Asamoah G Illinois
Saffold G/T Indiana

I don't trade Big Al for anything. And I stop worrying about more defensive guys until we address the oline.

I see where you were going with that Crazyhorse.. all guys wit attitudes who still did their jobs like pros.

I'm not with you on this one Fleet.. AH for Seymour isn't a good one considering we have a pretty good DL at the moment. I agree with Vet that he needs to stay here and suck-it-the-hell-up. AH has a chance to do something great on this team now that we've already improved. If.. IF.. we were to trade AH, I'd like to have picks but it doesn't necessarily have to be all for this year. Why not maybe take 1 pick now and 2 next year or whatever they can come up with? Ultimately though, I want fatso to stay here and take up space at least.. I mean, he's still a beast and I think his attitude will improve once the season starts.

langleyparkjoe wrote:I see where you were going with that Crazyhorse.. all guys wit attitudes who still did their jobs like pros.

I'm not with you on this one Fleet.. AH for Seymour isn't a good one considering we have a pretty good DL at the moment. I agree with Vet that he needs to stay here and suck-it-the-hell-up. AH has a chance to do something great on this team now that we've already improved. If.. IF.. we were to trade AH, I'd like to have picks but it doesn't necessarily have to be all for this year. Why not maybe take 1 pick now and 2 next year or whatever they can come up with? Ultimately though, I want fatso to stay here and take up space at least.. I mean, he's still a beast and I think his attitude will improve once the season starts.

I agree he's a beast. But not so sure he is when he's disgruntled. And he seems to be disgruntled a lot. And that rubs off on his teammates too. So, sometimes you get addition by subtraction. I want to see the Skins get past the whiners and start building a team of doers. Seymour is a doer and would fit the scheme well. AH could fit the scheme, but I'm not so sure he has the right personality.