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Since we now have no picks in the 2nd and 3rd round, should we trade down with our first pick to get more picks?

#1 question - do you have a trade partner. That's the toughest question to answer. I'm a bit of a devils advocate on the whole top 10 this year's draft. I think that most teams will not want to be in the top 10 because after this year, once they get the CBA worked out, there will be a rookie wage scale that will be a lot less than what you pay. I think that we would love to move out of the #4, but I don't think it's going to happen.

It could happen... If we dealt Albert to his favorite coach Jim Schwartz and the Lions, then they'd target Okung, which means either Ndamukong or McCoy would fall in our lap and there are teams imo that would give a 1 and a 2, or a 1 and a 3

Only if Okung is already gone.

Buffalo, Cleveland, Seattle, San francisco and Arizona need a Qb. They would all love to have Bradford. But, the Rams are gonna take him barring any major trades. The next Qb would be Clausen.

With the acquisition of Mcnabb it is hard to sell that we are going to pick Clausen at no.4.

The Chiefs sit at no.5. They have Millions invested in Matt Cassel so that "should" eliminate them from drafting Clausen.

Seahawks at no.6 need a Qb. They could take Clausen if available. Seattle also has two picks in the first round. However they sit at no.6 and have no reason to trade up.

Browns sit at no.7 and we all know Holmgren is a QB guru. Holmgren will be darned if he cant handpick his own QB. Holmgren already let go of Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson. If the Browns believe Seattle will pick Clausen they could possibly trade up?

Heres where it gets interesting. After the Raiders at no.8 sits the Buffalo Bills at no.9. With the Seahawks and Browns needing a QB. That may make Buffalo nervous and try to pull a trade up with us if they want Clausen? Of course the Raiders could screw this all up and Al Davis could draft Clausen? You never know what Al Davis will do?

San Francisco sitting at no. 13 could also be interested in trading up. They have been desperate for an offense. They also have plenty of bargaining chips.

Arizona sits low in the first round. But, with the departure of Kurt Warner they need a Qb.

What would really open up the floodgates is if the Rams pass on Bradford.
I mean we could even end up drafting Bradford? Many teams will also be interested in moving up.

GoSkins wrote:Since we now have no picks in the 2nd and 3rd round, should we trade down with our first pick to get more picks?

Um...if we get a good deal. If we don't we shouldn't do it. Ya think?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

GoSkins wrote:Since we now have no picks in the 2nd and 3rd round, should we trade down with our first pick to get more picks?

Um...if we get a good deal. If we don't we shouldn't do it. Ya think?

I think these guys are going to continue to do whatever they can to get as many draft picks in the top 100 as they can (maybe Portis, Haynesworth or ey)

the obvious thing is to trade that 4 pick but if Okung is there and we cannot find a team to trade with, that is not a bad thing - we just need to try and get some top 100 picks with any of the current players over 26 AND we do not need to lose any more draft picks in next year's draft

Okung would be great for many years but we need a lot of offensive linemen and that should be the focus because this draft has a few good prospects

SkinsJock wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

GoSkins wrote:Since we now have no picks in the 2nd and 3rd round, should we trade down with our first pick to get more picks?

Um...if we get a good deal. If we don't we shouldn't do it. Ya think?

I think these guys are going to continue to do whatever they can to get as many draft picks in the top 100 as they can (maybe Portis, Haynesworth or ey)

the obvious thing is to trade that 4 pick but if Okung is there and we cannot find a team to trade with, that is not a bad thing - we just need to try and get some top 100 picks with any of the current players over 26 AND we do not need to lose any more draft picks in next year's draft

Okung would be great for many years but we need a lot of offensive linemen and that should be the focus because this draft has a few good prospects

Allen and Shany are doing absolutely nothing to acquire draft picks. They are patching holes with vets, obviously the opposite of what you say they are doing. We now have four drafts picks. I hope they trade Campbell to
get a draft pick back, but they might just as easily trade Campbell and another draft pick for a vet RT. Also, it should be obvious to you now that they are not building for the future, but are trying to win now.

crazyhorse1 wrote:it should be obvious to you now that they are not building for the future, but are trying to win now.

That's actually not obvious. Dude, there are two parts to the off season regarding getting players:

1) Free agency
2) The draft and subsequent undrafted players

Now riddle me this batman. In which part do you go after vets and in which part do you go after youngsters for the future? And which part have we gone through?

If you can convince me they chose to do FA before the draft then I'll accept that it's "obvious" what you say. Until then, I'll wait to see what the whole story is until we have the whole story.

crazyhorse1 wrote:Allen and Shany are doing absolutely nothing to acquire draft picks.

and you absolutely know this how - they talk with you? please let us in on this - or is this just your opinion?

They are patching holes with vets, obviously the opposite of what you say they are doing. We now have four drafts picks. I hope they trade Campbell to get a draft pick back, but they might just as easily trade Campbell and another draft pick for a vet RT.
Also, it should be obvious to you now that they are not building for the future, but are trying to win now.

nothing you offer is viable to me as it is obvious that you are very biased against what these guys are trying to accomplish here
you have made it abundantly clear that, in your opinion, neither oif them has even a slight clue in acquiring or evaluating what this franchise needs

you can have fun with others here but I'm personally not interested in your point of view because it is so biased

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:it should be obvious to you now that they are not building for the future, but are trying to win now.

That's actually not obvious. Dude, there are two parts to the off season regarding getting players:

1) Free agency
2) The draft and subsequent undrafted players

Now riddle me this batman. In which part do you go after vets and in which part do you go after youngsters for the future? And which part have we gone through?

If you can convince me they chose to do FA before the draft then I'll accept that it's "obvious" what you say. Until then, I'll wait to see what the whole story is until we have the whole story.

you know - I should have just let you 'handle' this - you do it so well

We need linemen. At 4 you can get a prime candidate that will last for years.

Campbell is as good as gone. Maybe you get a 3rd for him. Again, you use it on the O-line.

Everything else is secondary.

SkinsJock wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:it should be obvious to you now that they are not building for the future, but are trying to win now.

That's actually not obvious. Dude, there are two parts to the off season regarding getting players:

1) Free agency
2) The draft and subsequent undrafted players

Now riddle me this batman. In which part do you go after vets and in which part do you go after youngsters for the future? And which part have we gone through?

If you can convince me they chose to do FA before the draft then I'll accept that it's "obvious" what you say. Until then, I'll wait to see what the whole story is until we have the whole story.

you know - I should have just let you 'handle' this - you do it so well

Thanks! It's getting me to be serious that's the trick. Sometimes it's more fun one way, some the other. But fun is the objective.

Hey, stop mentioning trading ey or else i'll have to deck you one!

This offseason has shown that nobody is safe from Mike/Allen. JC is still seeking trade partners, expect more picks to come our way. Maybe a 2nd, prolly a third and low conditional pick next year.... *shrugs* We also have to see how the draft shakes out. We may be in position to acquire more picks...


There's no reason why you can't build to be competitive now, while still looking ahead.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:This offseason has shown that nobody is safe from Mike/Allen. JC is still seeking trade partners, expect more picks to come our way. Maybe a 2nd, prolly a third and low conditional pick next year.... *shrugs* We also have to see how the draft shakes out. We may be in position to acquire more picks...


There's no reason why you can't build to be competitive now, while still looking ahead.

YES! I like that thought

If Okung is off the Board. Absolutely I cant express how big of a fan i am of Bruce Campbell but I know he isn't worth the #4 pick in the draft. Drop down. but as we all know if Haynesworth or Campbell are traded we're going to get some picks back. I've also read there are about 4 more skins very quietly on the block. So it my not be completely neccesary. Only time will tell.

If we trade Haynesworth to Detroit, part of the deal s/be we swap 4 for 2 in the first round so we know we get Okung, if that's who the skins brass is targeting. If Allen wants Trent Wms, they don't need to move up to 2.

Detroit would be wise to get Haynesworth from us for a 2nd round pick (I'd like a 2nd or 3rd next year too) and draft Suh in the first and build one of the best DT tandems around. Their Dline would be set for 4 years, minimum.

Detroit would be wise to get Haynesworth from us for a 2nd round pick (I'd like a 2nd or 3rd next year too) and draft Suh in the first and build one of the best DT tandems around. Their Dline would be set for 4 years, minimum.

Suh and Haynesworth would be scary...50% of the time.

The spin has started for the selecting of Tebow, Shanahan has said he would use him on special teams to justify his value as a high pick.

Gibbs4Life wrote:

Detroit would be wise to get Haynesworth from us for a 2nd round pick (I'd like a 2nd or 3rd next year too) and draft Suh in the first and build one of the best DT tandems around. Their Dline would be set for 4 years, minimum.

Suh and Haynesworth would be scary...50% of the time.

The spin has started for the selecting of Tebow, Shanahan has said he would use him on special teams to justify his value as a high pick.

I say we draft Eric Berry the best safety available and trade haynesworth for a 2nd possibly a 1st and trade for the Lt of the baltimore ravens Jared Gaither. What you think? Remember Landry is no Sean Taylor. 'R.I.P homie we miss you' Redskin forever.

Gibbs4Life wrote:

Detroit would be wise to get Haynesworth from us for a 2nd round pick (I'd like a 2nd or 3rd next year too) and draft Suh in the first and build one of the best DT tandems around. Their Dline would be set for 4 years, minimum.

Suh and Haynesworth would be scary...50% of the time.

The spin has started for the selecting of Tebow, Shanahan has said he would use him on special teams to justify his value as a high pick.

I think his office just told you that to get you to stop calling all day...

"Remember Landry is no Sean Taylor."

Landry is not a good cover safety, but our Defense can recover from that. He truly is nothing like ST, but he will do for now. Without a Left tackle in the draft our team would be in shambles... much like last years team.

skins7521 wrote:"Remember Landry is no Sean Taylor."

Landry is not a good cover safety, but our Defense can recover from that. He truly is nothing like ST, but he will do for now. Without a Left tackle in the draft our team would be in shambles... much like last years team.

what does Landry have to do with the #4 pick?

we are taking Okung IF we cannot trade out of that spot

the offensive line is going to be rebuilt over the next two years and IMO the plan is to have a decent line ASAP but certainly by 2012 when all the other pieces will be in place as well - it's going to take a while to remake this franchise but the right guys are in charge now

skins7521 wrote:"Remember Landry is no Sean Taylor."

Sadly, Taylor is no longer with this franchise and can no longer be of any help to our secondary - Landry has incredible talent and needs to start being the player he can be

Hopefully the new guys in charge here will be able to help Landry be the safety that many of us expected

Hopefully Landry will become the defensive leader he's capable of being

that being said we are hopefully taking Okung if we cannot trade out of that 4 pick because as much as I would like to see Berry here we do not need another great safety, we already have one in Landry, we need O line help






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