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Don’t Applaud the Redskins for Being Patient

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:30 am
by bash91
- Meant for a broader audience. Not trying to insult any of your intellegence, but would like to know the feelings on what I have to say.

At a certain point, hearing “expert” after “expert” claim that the Redskins are turning over a new leaf is just irritating and quite frankly, wrong. In free agency, the Redskins are usually in the role of this year’s Chicago Bears…only much worse. The Bears spent huge bucks in free agency this past year, breaking from a usually cheap perspective on free agency. After signing only three players the Bears are going to spend $55, 000, 000 in guaranteed money and about $120, 500, 000 in money overall in the next 6 years. Of course, with all those contracts there is jargon for “this” to be escalated and “that” to be deducted. (Disclaimer: I am just trying to avoid anyone claiming I put everything in black and white, while in reality like every NFL contract there is a boat load of confusion and grey matter)

I can’t begin to point fingers because the Redskins have been guilty of this same issue in their well documented past. I won’t go into depth on every signing because it’s a waste of this paper and your time. But not giving you a list makes this seem made up so…:

Past-their prime-signings
• Mark Carrier
• Deion Sanders
• Bruce Smith

Flat Out Busts
• Dana Stubblefield
• Jeremiah Trotter
• Jesse Armstead
• Adam Archuleta
• (Traded for and re-sign to a massive contract) Brandon Lloyd

The Redskins are still paying for their mistakes, after being off the ‘Skins for two years, the Redskins just paid Brandon Lloyd over five millions dollars. Let us not beat a dead horse.

A proper debate is not proper without looking at both ends of the spectrum. The Redskins have signed some truly talented player such as Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Randy Thomas, Cornelius Griffen, Andre Carter, Casey Rabach, and London Fletcher. Now, not all of these players are still on the team, in fact most are gone, but all of these players spent at least three if not more quality seasons with the Redskins. An interesting fact about all of these players, none were signed to ridiculous contracts.

The Redskins will never learn, just only last year they signed Albert Haynesworth and DeAngelo Hall to over 150 million dollars in contracts with $62, 500, 000 in guaranteed mullah. Sadly, but in no way shockingly did these players not nearly give a decent return in their first seasons. If you came by my Uncle’s house where my family watches games you’d hear us all laughing at the joke the Redskins have become as their “100 Million Dollar Man,” Albert Haynesworth, misses four games, dare I say feigns injury at least once a game, and lacks solid production from week to week. Oh and as a feather in the cap, he walks out on his team during a game, complains to his teammates as if he were actually a leader, and complains to the media that he isn’t being used properly. To sum it up, Albert Haynesworth is an overpaid, over-rated 6’5” 350lb baby. Not to mention, for the 54 million dollars DeAngelo Hall makes, you’d expect him to be able to make an open field tackle. Let me put it in better terms, if Hall lost money with every tackle he missed; he would owe the Redskins money. Not a bad idea.

Now all of this free agency waste could be counteracted with proper drafting and good trades but sadly no luck. A block buster trade made in the 2nd Gibbs era was Clinton Portis for Champ Bailey. I say this knowing well and good that Clinton Portis did produce for many seasons but, any semi-in-depth NFL fan is aware that it is easy to find a good running back late in the draft, but near shutdown corners don’t come along everyday. To add to our misfortune of such a mistake trade, we get stuck having to listen to Clinton Portis throw every teammate under the bus, some he doesn’t even play with anymore. It sucks to be the one to say this to Clinton, but all the blame you try to point out is only re-directed back to you, and the fact that you’re over-the-hill. You can blame Jason Campbell’s leadership, the offensive line, Mike Sellers, and even embarrass yourself to the point of needing to jab ex-Redskin LaVar Arrington, but it all come back to Clinton “Look at me” Portis. To look further at drafting the Redskins have done well with a late Sean Taylor, but selections like him were few and far between. Since 2001 the Redskins have drafted in the first round:
• 2001, Rod Gardner (Fans loved him, but just not a No.1)
• 2002, Patrick Ramsey (Bust)
• 2003, No pick
• 2004, Sean Taylor
• 2005, Carlos Rodgers (Has flashes, but is far too inconsistent)
• 2005, Jason Campbell (Good or Bad, has taken the blame for poor management)
• 2006, No pick
• 2007, LaRon Landry (Misses far too many tackles and is inconsistent in coverage)
• 2008, No pick
• 2009, Brian Orakpo (First season was good, but still too early)
Out of all these selections the majority are not worthy of there selection spot. The above mentioned and the free agency busts are the sound and only reason why the Redskins find themselves picking in the top 10 of the draft most years.

Most Redskins fans are exciting with a new regime of Bruce Allen at GM, former son of Redskins coach George Allen, and 2-time super bowl winning coach Mike Shanahan. Here’s a hint, don’t be excited. This is not going to change anything; in fact, it will only increase spending in coming years. Why? Because Bruce Allen is best known for his skills for signing veterans and Mike Shanahan is the coach version of Daniel Snyder. Snyder’s drug is free agent splashes and these two gentlemen are his enablers.

This year the Redskins have been applauded for being patient and going after Chad Clifton (re-signed with the Packers), and signing Artis Hicks. They also are applauded for never attempting to sign DE Julius Pepper and LB Karlos Danby, both being signed to record deals for their respective positions. Here is the reason why you need to just sit on your hands that have suffered from a tragic case of premature admiration. Yes, the Redskins have been able to not sign Peppers or Dansby, but there is a reason why they are avoiding singing these 28 year old or older free agents, next year’s free agency, chalk full of young talent. Granted, this year is an uncapped year, but another rule to this uncapped year is that most unrestricted free agents (UFAs) in a normal capped season become restricted free agents (RFAs) in this uncapped season. Basically in a normal year 4 year players can become UFAs, but now they have to be 6 year players. Meaning, the restricted free agents are signed to a one year deal called a tender, and can not be signed to another team without their original team being compensated, a pre-determined by salary, draft pick. This rule made 212 players that would usually be UFAs, RFAs. This is all due to a lack of a Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the NFL and the NFL players association. The CBA is basically just the logistics of where the money goes in the NFL between players and owners. The new CBA was not reach by the March 5th deadline so the hope is a new deal will be reached before 2011’s March 5th. If there is a new CBA in place, then all the 2010 RFAs, that aren’t signed to long term deals, will become UFAs in 2011, along with the hundreds of other athletes already set on course to be UFAs in 2011. If you do the math, the majority of the RFA won’t sign long term deals, so a normal class of talented free agents will have doubled. The 2010 class of RFAs contains WR Brandon Marshall, OLB Shawn Merriman, RB Darren Sproles, and about a 200 more. That class will combine with a 2011 free agency class that will possibly hold athletes like, QB Tom Brady, QB Donavan McNabb, TE Antonio Gates, OLB LaMarr Woodley, CB Champ Bailey, and hundreds of others.

As you sit back and think of brighter futures for the Washington Redskins because they aren’t spending in an uncapped season understand something. That bright future isn’t bright at all. It’s a dark, looming, cloud with a storm brewing. A storm on track to begin March 5th 2011, and it should be raining money; millions of dollars at a time…but none of this should surprise you, remember, Daniel Snyder will still be the owner in 2011.

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:04 am
by bwdjr
Dude, you have got to calm down. Worry about next year, next year.

Give new management a chance to make their own name.

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:15 am
by Manchester_Redskin
eh?

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:34 am
by chiefhog44
I read your entire essay, and can say, I have no idea what your point was. Thanks for wasting about 15 minutes of my life (I'm a slow reader)

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:20 am
by VetSkinsFan
It's like a recap of all the negativity on Redskins forums. And then a little hateraid at the end. I give it a no thumbs up. There's not an original positive thought in the whole diatribe. Are you an Eagles fan, or maybe Cowboys fan?

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:55 am
by SkinsJock
sorry! I also missed the point
we all have seen what Snyder's ownership has done and most here think we can do a lot better with some guys who know what they are doing

I might be wrong but I don't think the Bears added enough to make their team better than the Packers and Vikings - they just added players but they did not help their franchise very much at all
that is what we used to do here

we all know that this franchise is in a big hole and it might take a long time to get this franchise back but I think it will only be a couple of years and in 2012 we will see a franchise that obviously, consistently competitive, is still owned by Snyder but managed by NFL guys :wink:



btw - we really don't take different perspectives too much to heart here


and welcome to the boards

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:01 am
by tribeofjudah
Welcome Newbie.... I see you've got PLENTY of time on your hands...!!!

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:53 am
by TeeterSalad
You don't sound like someone I'd like to have a beer with.





Good spelling and grammer though! :)

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:18 am
by LORD GIBBS
Man why do we keep bringing up the same crap over and over and over and over again?Good Lawd can we just give these guys a chance???????????We bitch when they spend we bitch when the dont.This is moving in the right direction for a change lets let it play out.

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:44 am
by langleyparkjoe
LOL... I like the slow approach personally.. when you think of who got signed no one really sticks out like dag, why we didn't grab that guy?

We keep saying it, don't be so hurry to judge yet buddy, its still the offseason and just because we aren't free agent happy doesn't mean the big dogs don't know what they're doing. Hang in there man and don't forget it'll take a little time to completely turn things around... patience young luke skywalker :lol:

And look, your new here but if you knew me, I'm the guy who says "Superbowl bound" EVERY offseason.. :wink:

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:50 am
by Skeletor
could you expand on your thoughts a little?

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:29 pm
by crazyhorse1
The poster makes a great point and amplifies it with detail. There will be FA's galore next year and Allen and Shanahan might just be waiting to spend big bucks. He's might be right.
There are too many holes to be filled by the draft-- new players have to come from somewhere. With the near certainty we'll have a terrible record this year, we'll also have top draft picks next year. Maybe next year we'll have a bust out and everyone will he crying and groanind because of the spending.
The poster might be phrophetic and I/we might be wrong about Redskins plans.
He also makes a good point when he says that many of out past FA's have done fine. We tend to forget this. Likewise, his point that many of our top draft picks haven't worked out-- and have retarded out development just as picking bad FA's has-- is an excellent one. It should be a cautionary note to those of us who think just sticking with the draft is some kind of answer for our organization-- it isn't, and can't be. The numbers don't add up.
We need to use all means of acquiring players: the draft, FA's, and trades. The trick is to draft the right players, sign the right FA's, and make the right trades.
So here's to the poster for a thoughtful post. I don't agree with all of it. We benefitted from the Portis-Bailey trade and profitted from Haynesworth's play (the lack of sacks problem disappeared, which was supposed to happen, But overall, it was a great relief from the nonsense that is presently cluttering up the board.
Praise for Shanahan and Allen and their present "do nothing" policy is certainly wrong long term, but may not be their policy at all. That may well be the truth of it. The poster should be congratulated. The readers who have put down the post would do well to read it again and try to understand its implications.

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:49 pm
by CanesSkins26
Yawn

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:39 pm
by mdk98w
i think Crazyhorse1 and bash91 are the same person.

Agreeing with yourself doesn't make it right...

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:20 pm
by cowboyhater4life
Get a job Dude!

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:12 pm
by Andy614
Bash91... I fell asleep after the second sentence so I have nothing intelligent to say other than....Do you think Dan Snyder has a dark heart? Is this really Riggo trying to pull a fast one?

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:36 pm
by SkinsJock
I don't think that Allen and shanahan are being patient - I think that they are trying to do what's right and are doing it as quickly as possible

we have a lot of work to do and these guys have an idea of how to get there - there's nothing to be gained by just signing whoever is the best available - these guys are going to try and add free agents and players that they think will make the other players around them better

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:44 pm
by riggofan
I'm just wondering what it means to be "'chalk' full of talent"??

I bet this guy hates twitter.

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:03 pm
by PulpExposure
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Principal wrote:Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:17 pm
by brad7686
PulpExposure wrote:Image

Principal wrote:Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


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Billy: A simple "no" would have been ok.

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:48 pm
by HarleyHog
I guess we should expect no better from a self named basher. Surrender hope, all ye burgudian goldminers. The future is fixed, unchangeable, and foreboding. The Redskins are so bad that they've never been good. The Lombardi's in the case are forgeries, and every game we ever thought we won was actually faked on the same set they did the moon landings on.(if you thought you were there, it is probably just hypnosis or mind control drugs.

SHEEESH!!!!!!!

As Shannahan pointed out, free agency is 130 freaking days long. a few days in, and they clearly are looking to sign only guys who have a chance of fitting the scheme. Beats the heck out of signing every warm body available for positions of need. I hardly think it fair to call the process short sighted, a bust, or anything else, at this early a stage. Based on such reasoning, the Allies would have considered the Normandy landings a failure after three days and surrendered.

As far as Haynesworth being a bust, the coaches were happy with what he was doing, even if Albert wasn't. He was essentially doing what Kemoeatu hopefully will do this coming season, filling a gap and occupying blockers. I fully expect Big Al to shine for Shanny because I think that they are going to let him be disruptive.

I refuse to give up hope, and I wish the non-fan haters would keep it on their own websites.

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:01 pm
by SkinsJock
it's truly going to make some here mad that we do not pick in the top 10 next year and don't add any big time free agents and don't end up with all of our draft picks making the pro bowl or some equally stupid end of season award :roll:

have patience and give these guys some time to get this franchise out of the hole that Snyder has created

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:08 pm
by HEROHAMO
Ill defend Bash.
He has every right to be angry. This team has been run poorly for the last 15 years.(Exception Gibbs 2)

Hey Bash we all know how poorly Vinny and Snyder drafted and traded. This is not a news flash,however.
I do believe we are now headed in a good direction. So cheer up man. :D

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:45 am
by crazyhorse1
HarleyHog wrote:I guess we should expect no better from a self named basher. Surrender hope, all ye burgudian goldminers. The future is fixed, unchangeable, and foreboding. The Redskins are so bad that they've never been good. The Lombardi's in the case are forgeries, and every game we ever thought we won was actually faked on the same set they did the moon landings on.(if you thought you were there, it is probably just hypnosis or mind control drugs.

SHEEESH!!!!!!!

As Shannahan pointed out, free agency is 130 freaking days long. a few days in, and they clearly are looking to sign only guys who have a chance of fitting the scheme. Beats the heck out of signing every warm body available for positions of need. I hardly think it fair to call the process short sighted, a bust, or anything else, at this early a stage. Based on such reasoning, the Allies would have considered the Normandy landings a failure after three days and surrendered.

As far as Haynesworth being a bust, the coaches were happy with what he was doing, even if Albert wasn't. He was essentially doing what Kemoeatu hopefully will do this coming season, filling a gap and occupying blockers. I fully expect Big Al to shine for Shanny because I think that they are going to let him be disruptive.

I refuse to give up hope, and I wish the non-fan haters would keep it on their own websites.


It's absurd to remark that Free Agency lasts 130 days when everyone knows that the cream of the free agent crop is usually gone by day 4. It's also absurd to call anyone a "non-fan hater" because he believes management is making a big mistake.

If those critical of management weren't fans they wouldn't be so upset. Further, you're making fun of a poster who, first time out, wrote a better balanced and more thoughtful post than anyone else on this site has for awhile.

Just a small part of his post notes that the Skins of the last ten years have been more successful in free agency than they have in the draft. A great point nobody else has mentioned, but should have been obvious.

One reason to sign a FA is that he has a track record in the NFL, which is something a draft pick doesn't have.

In fact, if you'd look at the record, as Basher did, you'd see that draft picks in the first round (for the skins) are quite likely to be busts. So why the distain for FA's and the special horror when FA's don't work out.

I don't have the answer to the above question. Maybe one of you can tell me. Why do you continue to think we should build primarily by the draft, even when it produces bust after bust, and then have a hissy fit when an FA turns out to be a dud?

For a list of a few FA's who've been important to us, check Bash's post.

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:36 am
by HarleyHog
If you came by my Uncle’s house where my family watches games you’d hear us all laughing at the joke the Redskins have beco



sounds non fan to me. crying perhaps . . .