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O-line and D-line take over top 10
Updated top 10 includes only one skill player and one defensive back

Much has been made of the strength of the 2010 defensive tackle class, and the fact that the first two picks in Scouts Inc.'s latest first-round projection are defensive tackles is no surprise.

However, the offensive tackles are coming on strong, and we now project four offensive tackles to come off the board in the first eight picks. Add a pair of defensive ends to the players mentioned above, and you have eight linemen among the first 10 picks.

That leaves little room at the top for skill players and defensive backs, and some of the biggest names on our board have slipped significantly in our latest projection.

Here's how we see things shaking out now that the college all-star games are over and prospects are preparing for the upcoming NFL combine.


#4 - Washington Redskins

Record: 4-12
Anthony Davis*, OT, Rutgers

Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford has enough physical and mental tools to develop into a good NFL starter eventually. However, he also enters the league with enough question marks (shoulder injury, spread offensive system, etc.) for a team like the Redskins to pass and fill one of several other holes. Solidifying its offensive line should be Washington's top priority, and Davis is the most naturally gifted tackle in this year's deep group. Two other options at tackle are Russell Okung (Oklahoma State) and Bryan Bulaga (Iowa).

Of course it's still early and we still need to see/hear about the pro days and their combine numbers but a lot of the people out there seem to go back in forth on who the best fit would be at our position.

I still think Okung is better. So does Kiper. Davis may have more upside athletically, but he just doesn't have the technique at this point that Okung has and may never get it. That mock also has Iupati getting taken in the middle of the first.

Davis at 4 would be idiotic. You don't take a kid that high with character issues and a questionable work ethic.

frankcal20 wrote:

O-line and D-line take over top 10Updated top 10 includes only one skill player and one defensive back
Much has been made of the strength of the 2010 defensive tackle class, and the fact that the first two picks in Scouts Inc.'s latest first-round projection are defensive tackles is no surprise.
However, the offensive tackles are coming on strong, and we now project four offensive tackles to come off the board in the first eight picks.
Add a pair of defensive ends to the players mentioned above, and you have eight linemen among the first 10 picks. That leaves little room at the top for skill players and defensive backs, and some of the biggest names on our board have slipped significantly in our latest projection.
Here's how we see things shaking out now that the college all-star games are over and prospects are preparing for the upcoming NFL combine.

#4 - Washington Redskins - Record: 4-12 Anthony Davis*, OT, Rutgers

Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford has enough physical and mental tools to develop into a good NFL starter eventually. However, he also enters the league with enough question marks (shoulder injury, spread offensive system, etc.) for a team like the Redskins to pass and fill one of several other holes. Solidifying its offensive line should be Washington's top priority, and Davis is the most naturally gifted tackle in this year's deep group. Two other options at tackle are Russell Okung (Oklahoma State) and Bryan Bulaga (Iowa).
Of course it's still early and we still need to see/hear about the pro days and their combine numbers but a lot of the people out there seem to go back in forth on who the best fit would be at our position.

I think you would agree that we are taking Bradford or Claussen with this pick? right?

That is, unless the guys in charge think that there is a OT that can be like Samuels for the next 10 years

we need a lot of changes to the make up of this team through the next 3 drafts to try and make things better again BUT right now we need to make sure that we have the QB position locked in if that is possible

I don't think we will take an OT at number four unless Sam Bradford has already been selected. Shanahan is going to take the kid from the Sooner State. His doctor who did the shoulder operation is the Skins lead personal surgeon the renowned Dr. James Andrews of Alabama. The word is Bradford is coming along very well in his recovery. Also, I think the OT's Okung, Bulaga, Davis, and Trent Williams are not worthy of the fourth pick in the draft. If the Redskins zero in on this position they need to get back some picks and go south in the draft.

I would love to move back but it's really difficult to do. I can't justify picking Claussen or Bradford with the pick at 4. But personally I would like to see JC play a few more years here under a better offensive line. I don't think that will happen but I think that under the right situation, coaching staff, etc he will be successful.

frankcal20 wrote:I would love to move back but it's really difficult to do. I can't justify picking Claussen or Bradford with the pick at 4. But personally I would like to see JC play a few more years here under a better offensive line. I don't think that will happen but I think that under the right situation, coaching staff, etc he will be successful.

I hear you Frank and I would not be surprised at all to see Campbell here for this coming season and maybe even next - BUT I do not see this offensive line being all that much better for Campbell or whoever is the QB

Curently Dockery is considered our best lineman - IMO, we need an offensive line that Dockery might be able to make as a back-up - he's just not that good - getting a good offensive line and indeed having a good offensive AND defensive line and decent depth along both lines should be of paramount importance

I think we need to make sure that whomever we take with that 4 pick is a really good player here for 10 - 12 years - we also need to find a QB that can take the snaps in 2012 - IF we don't take Bradford or Claussen that might mean we get a vet in here because I think that Campbell's not going to be really much better, no matter how good the line is, sorry

you think the Danny would take a kid from Rutgers? In the top 10? That is not his style. If he takes a guard or tackle in the first round they are coming from a big name school so the jersey sales can beging immendiately.

cleg wrote:you think the Danny would take a kid from Rutgers? In the top 10? That is not his style. If he takes a guard or tackle in the first round they are coming from a big name school so the jersey sales can beging immendiately.

you're kidding right? - what does Dan Snyder have to do with who is playing for this team this season?

I hope Shanny/Allen are making the picks with ZERO input from Snyder. Of this doesn't happen, then it won't matter who they pick in the 1st round, because we will be back in the same mess again anyway.

I also really hope they do not choose a QB in the 1st round. Short of Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Drew Bress, there isn't a QB alive who could get this team into the playoffs behind this offensive line. Bring in a rookie with the steep learning curve and he will simply loose confidence. If they don't want another season with Campbell, then go sign a temp free agent like Pennington or Orton, then draft a QB next year. (We'll still have a top 15 pick next year) Or draft a QB long on potential after the 1st round somewhere. Drew Brees was a 2nd rounder. Schaub was a 3rd rounder. We all know about Brady.

Repeate after me: Offensive line, offensive line, offensive line....................................................................................................

no worries fleetus - they won't bring in a QB unless they think he can help this team down the road a bit AND nobody will be playing "behind this offensive line" because Shanahan and Allen most likely agree with you, and, that line that we saw in B&G last year will not be playing together here this year

PLUS - if they do use that pick on a QB and somehow begin to re-build the line - I would expect them to use Campbell or whoever else they might think can play QB here for a while while the line shows what it can do

this team is going to see some changes but mostly, I predict, the offensive linemen that were here last year will all be gone soon because that group was hopeless

I would really like to pick an OL with the #4 pick and if they want to pick a QB later, pick Lefevour(?) from Central Michigan. I think he has potential. I was impressed by him in his bowl game and in the Senior Bowl. I definitely think he is worth a later pick.

Dockery is a starting guard in the NFL, if he was backup material he would never have been considered for the kind of money he has gotten. It's also hard to tell how guards fare when the tackles and center are the biggest holes. I think we keep the guards intact and go OT,NT, OT,C, RB

We should get that 385lbs kid at NT

BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:Dockery is a starting guard in the NFL, if he was backup material he would never have been considered for the kind of money he has gotten. It's also hard to tell how guards fare when the tackles and center are the biggest holes. I think we keep the guards intact and go OT,NT, OT,C, RB

Dockery would never have been brought back by anyone except the 2 idiots that were managing this team

Dockery is not the problem AND he's just not going to be here for very much longer, even as a back-up, - we are going to get some guys in here that are a lot better than we saw in B&G on the offensive line last year

give it a couple of years and Dockery will be able to think about what he can do with all that money he did not earn pretending he was an offensive lineman

I know that's kind of amusing to say but can you be specific? Dockery doesn't miss games, never gets beat by a bull rush and keeps up with speed rushers. Just saying he acts like an offensive lineman looks stupid when he's been courted by many teams as a very decent guard at the NFL level. I think Dockery was pretty good with his individual run and pass blocking this year and showed a mean streak he didn't have his first time around here. Maybe I'd believe some of what you were saying if you came up with an example, like "he's too slow" or "he's too weak to play guard". I hate the O-line as much as you do but there are individuals here we need to keep.

SkinsJock wrote:

cleg wrote:you think the Danny would take a kid from Rutgers? In the top 10? That is not his style. If he takes a guard or tackle in the first round they are coming from a big name school so the jersey sales can beging immendiately.

you're kidding right? - what does Dan Snyder have to do with who is playing for this team this season?

We are talking about D. Snyder here. You never know. Until he proves he can stay out of the way. Then I will believe it.

I just cannot believe that Shanahan or Allen would be involved here if they were going to have to put up with anything from Snyder - not saying that he might not take over if they cannot get anything done but I firmly hope and believe that these guys have a clear agreement and understanding that Snyder is NOT running this draft or is involved with selecting the players or coaches this season

thank the Lord

I hope we take Okung in the 1st & the best OL on the board in the 2nd. Dockery is a solid starter, but if the season started today we would have to start:

LT Heyer
LG Dockery
C Edwin Williams
RG Rinehart
RT ???????

Remember M Williams, Jones & Rabach are UFA's.

yupchagee wrote:I hope we take Okung in the 1st & the best OL on the board in the 2nd. Dockery is a solid starter, but if the season started today we would have to start:

LT Heyer
LG Dockery
C Edwin Williams
RG Rinehart
RT ???????

Remember M Williams, Jones & Rabach are UFA's.

+1

Fans always want a QB in the first round because they think that is the quick fix and it'll give them a new exciting player to watch. But in the land of The Hogs, it needs to start with O-line. If we can find a decent QB for youth and depth in the 2nd-4th round, great. A Brees/Schaub type QB (smart, accurate, but not necessarily a big arm) to develop into the Shannahan system.

fleetus wrote:

yupchagee wrote:I hope we take Okung in the 1st & the best OL on the board in the 2nd. Dockery is a solid starter, but if the season started today we would have to start:

LT Heyer
LG Dockery
C Edwin Williams
RG Rinehart
RT ???????

Remember M Williams, Jones & Rabach are UFA's.

+1

Fans always want a QB in the first round because they think that is the quick fix and it'll give them a new exciting player to watch. But in the land of The Hogs, it needs to start with O-line. If we can find a decent QB for youth and depth in the 2nd-4th round, great. A Brees/Schaub type QB (smart, accurate, but not necessarily a big arm) to develop into the Shannahan system.

I don't think that most fans think picking rookie QB is a quick fix by any stretch. Most fans know that you pick a rookie QB, and if he plays his first year, he'll probably be pretty awful (barring the rookie seasons of Flacco and Ryan, all other rookies have struggled by and large).

QB is definitely not a quick fix option. In fact I'd say you probably get less immediate bang for your buck out of a first rounder spent on a QB than you do for any other position. It's actually the exact opposite; a long-term investment, with minimal short-term returns.

PulpExposure wrote:I don't think that most fans think picking rookie QB is a quick fix by any stretch. Most fans know that you pick a rookie QB, and if he plays his first year, he'll probably be pretty awful (barring the rookie seasons of Flacco and Ryan, all other rookies have struggled by and large).

QB is definitely not a quick fix option. In fact I'd say you probably get less immediate bang for your buck out of a first rounder spent on a QB than you do for any other position. It's actually the exact opposite; a long-term investment, with minimal short-term returns.

As someone who wants to draft a QB with #4 (if the coaches think one is the answer), I say you hit the nail on the head. I'd like to point out too that those who think using every available pick, or at least the first two rounds, on only the best OL ignoring the rest of the draft aren't on to a quick solution either. They are going to be rookie OL's and even if they play like vets it's not going to fix our QB, RB (I love Portis but he's aging) or WR issues and make us a SB contender either.

So we are in LT mode of at least 2-3 years. Which is all the more reason to look for OL's in every place and use the top picks on the best players not ignoring anything else and passing on a franchise QB. The OL fixated for 1 & 2 aren't solving our scoring issues on a dime either.

Must, must, must draft an offensive lineman, anything else is sheer stupidity.

picking a LT does solve scoring issues. The QB can't throw the ball if he's on his back. The RB can't run through a hole that isn't there. It's an 11 person game and not on just one position. JC was not the weak link of the team last year - the Oline was and mainly on the ends (LT & RT)

I'm also hoping that Allen & Shanahan take the steps needed to rebuild all areas of this franchise - we have seen the results from what happens when the guys in charge have no plan and try the short term, just add a couple of superstars each year approach

we should do the best we can to add players to this roster with the idea being that we are not trying to fix anything - we are attempting to build a team - yes, the offensive line needs to be rebuilt completely but the other parts of both the offense and defense also need to be kept in mind as well - I am not expecting to see a lot this season and I look for Allen and & Shanahan to try and have a couple of years together here and develop this franchise back into a group of players that have some accountability and start to play as a team again

We need to get a QB for our future in here as soon as we can - not to start games necessarily but to begin the process of getting him ready for when we have a good offensive line in place and the other key elements of an effective scoring offense - we do not need a great supporting cast because a great QB will make all the players around him better - I agree that really good teams don't necessarily need a good QB but having a really good QB for 8-10 years sure seems to make a lot of the other parts of the offense work better

After identifying the QB of the future as soon as possible - the keys to me seem to be to have quality depth along both lines because the toll of the game takes a lot out of the bigger bodies - having offensive and defensive linemen be as effective at the end of the game is the same as having those same big guys still playing well at the end of the season

I'm not sure that Bradford or Claussen are what Kyle, Mike or Bruce think is a cannot miss QB, but, if he is then bring him in and start getting him ready to play - with guys with a plan running things, we can get a decent product on the field in 2-3 years



we need to build through the draft (and try and add draft picks each year) and add the free agents that make the other players already here, better

HAIL