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Clinton Portis has to be cut or traded before training camp he is a menace to the redskins locker room and a controversial figure within the fan base , he is frankly lazy, brash and arrogant and is getting up in age anyway this team needs a young back who will shut his mouth and do his job . Shanahan doesn't need a washed up( basically) stupid running back who cares only about himself. His system churns out good backs anyway who's to say a young similar back to Portis couldn't put up 1000 on the ground (plus he will be hungry as he tries to establish himself) I believe if the skins can they should in the 4th rd try to find a back .

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:Clinton Portis has to be cut or traded before training camp he is a menace to the redskins locker room and a controversial figure within the fan base , he is frankly lazy, brash and arrogant and is getting up in age anyway this team needs a young back who will shut his mouth and do his job . Shanahan doesn't need a washed up( basically) stupid running back who cares only about himself. His system churns out good backs anyway who's to say a young similar back to Portis couldn't put up 1000 on the ground (plus he will be hungry as he tries to establish himself) I believe if the skins can they should in the 4th rd try to find a back .

Welcome to the site. It's going to be very interesting what is done with Portis. As I have saying for about two years now, we should have traded him when we had the chance, but thanks to Vinny, we're in a situation that if we cut him, Snyder will owe him multi millions of dollars for him not playing on the team. I'm positive that Shanny will be able to draft a replacement for him later in the draft as he is so well known for doing, but it's going to come down to $$$

Snyder is smart with business for all of his other faults, so Portis' contract shouldn't be an issue. His signing bonus is already gone, paid, so while that would have had an effect on the team's cap, it now no longer matters. In economic teams, its a sunken cost. What matters is whether he'll be an effective player going forward for the amount of $ he's getting in base salary. He's a team cancer, declining in ability, and injury prone. Time to look to the future anyway, so lets see if we can find a diamond in the rough and start to polish the rough edges.

Hog Heaven wrote:Snyder is smart with business for all of his other faults, so Portis' contract shouldn't be an issue. His signing bonus is already gone, paid, so while that would have had an effect on the team's cap, it now no longer matters. In economic teams, its a sunken cost. What matters is whether he'll be an effective player going forward for the amount of $ he's getting in base salary. He's a team cancer, declining in ability, and injury prone. Time to look to the future anyway, so lets see if we can find a diamond in the rough and start to polish the rough edges.

If there's no cap, doesn't that make it much easier to ship him this year?

It does because if there is a cap in the future, we'll have to deal with a cap penalty based upon his signing bonus... unless he wants to give back money like LaVar did... unlikely.

Hog Heaven wrote:It does because if there is a cap in the future, we'll have to deal with a cap penalty based upon his signing bonus... unless he wants to give back money like LaVar did... unlikely.

No we wouldn't. If he gets cut or traded, his bonus accelerates to that year, and 2010 being uncapped means that we would be free from all obligations to him come 2011.

There is no policy in place to handle cap hits in the uncapped year. They don't accrue this year (as there's no cap against which to register the hit), but what happens after is going to be part of the negotiations for the new CBA.

The cap grew so fast in the last 5 years that virtually every other team in the league have resolved their cap issues. It's impossible to predict what's going to happen in the horse-trading to get to 3/4 approval, but there probably isn't going to be a large contingency pushing for reinstating a salary cap without counting the 2010 cuts.

Anyway, with Portis, it's not about cap, it's about dollars. He's guaranteed too much money in 2010 to be cut. The only way he's not coming back is if he retires.

Why so eager to get rid of our best player?

Portis was asked the questions on Total Access, the lead in was Rich Eisen saying "People aren't just worried Clinton of you getting along with your coach but with some of your teammates..."

Rich Marshall Deion and Sapp (especially cowboyhomer Deion) we're doing everything they could to stir up controversy out of Clinton.

He has a right to answer any questions asked of him, what's he suppossed to do say 'no comment' c'mon man this is football.

Last year we almost got CP killed because nobody feared our passing game, we didn't even have time for a 5 step drop against 3 man rushes.

I'm looking forward to Shanahan/BobbyMitchell/Portis reunion, I think it holds great things ahead, if we can get some Hogs in there to block.

He's done his time...done his share....done his antics.....done his clown faces and get ups........ NOW HE'S DONE as a Redskins.

na na na na....na na na na
hey hey hey........goodbye

Portis is still a viable RB for next year. He is not going anywhere. If anything, You'd want him here, make him ork and play to prove he belongs with this "new" version of B&G. IMO, he has done enough that we should at least keep him 1 more yr. This way we don't have to look for a RB and concentrate on fixing the line.

SKINFAN wrote:Portis is still a viable RB for next year. He is not going anywhere. If anything, You'd want him here, make him ork and play to prove he belongs with this "new" version of B&G. IMO, he has done enough that we should at least keep him 1 more yr. This way we don't have to look for a RB and concentrate on fixing the line.

I agree, assuming that Portis will react to his fall from grace with a change of attitude. He's not quite through, physically, and could stage a comeback it the OL is decent. I think it will be if we take Okung and the best available OL in the second round, then concentrate on acquiring a couple of competitive FA OL . If, however, we don't rebuild the OL like we should, Portis won't help. Nothing will.

Paralis wrote:Anyway, with Portis, it's not about cap, it's about dollars. He's guaranteed too much money in 2010 to be cut. The only way he's not coming back is if he retires.

All he was ever guaranteed was his signing bonus. If we cut him, Synder won't have to pay him another dime. The whole point of what I was saying is that as fans, we normally think of the signing bonus $ the way it shows up under the cap, as prorated with each season. We see that prorated # next to his salary cap hit and think that he is guaranteed that by the owner for that particular season. The fact is, that money was paid the moment the contract was signed. If we cut him, he won't get another dime from the redskins.

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Hog Heaven wrote:It does because if there is a cap in the future, we'll have to deal with a cap penalty based upon his signing bonus... unless he wants to give back money like LaVar did... unlikely.

No we wouldn't. If he gets cut or traded, his bonus accelerates to that year, and 2010 being uncapped means that we would be free from all obligations to him come 2011.

What I meant was if we didn't get rid of him this season and there was a cap in the future when we wanted to get rid of him, based upon the old system (which a new one would likely resemble in many respects) we would have to deal with a cap penalty, so it makes sense to get rid of him when there is no penalty.

Hog Heaven wrote:All he was ever guaranteed was his signing bonus. If we cut him, Synder won't have to pay him another dime.

That's not true. When he last renegotiated his contract, most of his 2010 salary was guarenteed.

Portis last renegotiated his contract in March 2008, receiving a signing bonus of almost $9.4 million. By the end of this season, Portis, under the terms of the renegotiated deal, will have been paid more than $2.35 million in salaries and bonuses in addition to his signing bonus. Most of Portis's 2010 base salary of almost $7.2 million is
guaranteed, and he is also due roster and workout bonuses totaling about $507,000.

There's some offset language, but there's no way a team will sign Portis for anything close to what we owe him. If we cut him, Snyder will be paying him millions not to play.

- sounds like we are going to see Portis playing here - I think he'll help and be different from what some here expect - I would expect quite a change from what has been going on here for the last 10 years - Portis financial situation seems to indicate we need to keep him as nobody is going to come up with that amount of money AND I think they'll try and get what they can out of him for the next couple of years

This offensive line rebuild is going to take some time - we basically need all 5 postions replaced in the next couple of years PLUS we need some quality depth - this has been our problem here

We are going to need 3 drafts and some help from free agency - with a little bit of luck and some good decisions by Allen & Shanahan, I think this franchise can become consistently competitive in the 2012 season

To be fair - It would be a little bit unreal to think we can become a competitive franchise in 2011 (with just 2 drafts) after what we saw last season

Portis must go? Maybe.

Do I wish he would go? Yes, definitely.

UK Skins Fan wrote:Portis must go? Maybe.

Do I wish he would go? Yes, definitely.

Totally agree. This guy is a cancer

crazyhorse1 wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:Portis is still a viable RB for next year. He is not going anywhere. If anything, You'd want him here, make him ork and play to prove he belongs with this "new" version of B&G. IMO, he has done enough that we should at least keep him 1 more yr. This way we don't have to look for a RB and concentrate on fixing the line.

I agree, assuming that Portis will react to his fall from grace with a change of attitude. He's not quite through, physically, and could stage a comeback it the OL is decent. I think it will be if we take Okung and the best available OL in the second round, then concentrate on acquiring a couple of competitive FA OL . If, however, we don't rebuild the OL like we should, Portis won't help. Nothing will.

The above two posts reflect my views. Well thought out and well written.

Portis will stop having preferential treatment by the Danny under Allen / Shanahan.

Id like to see him gone as well but there is a part of me that thinks his best years may have been in Shanahans system, maybe once again?

It'd be nice to have the luxury of being able to cut Portis without creating more problems for ourselves. But, like with Campbell, I don't think that's possible. I wish we could get rid of him, but I think that we'll only do so at the expense of filling other needs (OL, primarily).

CP26 is a drama queen....thanks for a one of the best seasons in skins history but see ya

i wouldn't mind Portis being a redskin hes my favortie back.. oh i here they took a look at Tomlinson thats a definite don't want for me. but i live in San diego and a redskins fan, never the less Portis is not a problem and can still play his position.

Irn-Bru wrote:It'd be nice to have the luxury of being able to cut Portis without creating more problems for ourselves. But, like with Campbell, I don't think that's possible. I wish we could get rid of him, but I think that we'll only do so at the expense of filling other needs (OL, primarily).

Ok Ok I see the point better, after reading Irn Bru, The luxury, as far as rebuilding is at its maximum potiential, we rebuild the line ect ect, hopefully no antics from any one new hmm and maybe we will get a play maker along the way. IM glad we got a better front office, it should help with the organization and output that we see on the field will be better all around.

I think the "Portis must go" and "Campbell must go" movements need to be put on the back burner until we address the foundation of the offense...the line. Portis, despite the motor mouth, can still be a very good back. Campbell, with the right support, can be a good quarterback. Its been proven that a great line can make the position players play above themselves (think Rypien). I don't think you can ever say the opposite.

Personally, I'm hoping they hunker down, "do the right thing", build depth and have a decent/entertaining season the next year or two. Then, once they've gotten their ducks in a row, go after more elite position players, especially at QB and RB.

This article sums it up for me. I'm tired of his mouth, attitude, selfishness, and it outweighs everything else. Someone put a muzzle on him.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcspor ... lavar.html