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Interesting hire I guess I like it. I want to see the Jerry Gray fallout especially if he gave the token Rooney Rule interview only because he thought he was getting a job as DC . All the best D's in the league run the 3-4 its time we did the same I am soo down with the 3-4

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/12/redskins-hire-haslett/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4820872

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e-haslett/

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...ach_jim_h.html

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/aro...e-coordinator/


After a one-year respite in the UFL, former Saints coach (and Rams interim coach) Jim Haslett is back in the NFL.

A league source tells us that Haslett has been hired by the Redskins to serve as defensive coordinator under Mike Shanahan.

The news was first reported by Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

It's unclear whether Haslett will use a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense in Washington. He once ran the 3-4 while serving as the Steelers' defensive coordinator. With the Saints and Rams (as well as the UFL's Florida Tuskers), Haslett used a base 4-3.




Jim Haslett is headed to Washington as the Redskins’ defensive coordinator under new coach Mike Shanahan, league sources told the Post-Dispatch on Tuesday evening.

After three seasons in St. Louis, including the last 12 games of 2008 as the Rams’ interim head coach, Haslett spent this past season as head coach of the Florida Tuskers of the fledgling United Football League. The Tuskers went unbeaten in the regular season, but were upset by the Las Vegas Locomotives in the UFL title game.

Haslett met with Washington team officials earlier this week. Haslett became the front runner for the job once Mike Zimmer agreed to stay in Cincinnati as Bengals defensive coordinator.

It was unclear Tuesday evening when the Redskins would officially announce the hiring. Haslett did not respond to phone messages Tuesday.

thanks newbie....good work...

tribeofjudah wrote:thanks newbie....good work...

wow really too bad i scooped him by like 15 minutes.....now im mad

Dang I took a nap and got SCOOPED by a newbie.


Haslett beat Jim Zorn two years ago as an interim head coach, but that's not saying much. I don't remember his defenses in New Orleans or St. Louis can anyone elaborate on his style?


I do remember being impressed with a being named HC and a week later coming into our house and ballin on us.

PMG12569 wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:thanks newbie....good work...

wow really too bad i scooped him by like 15 minutes.....now im mad

More like two mins..
and that "newbie" as been a member of this site longer than all of us

We sure that he's planning to run a 3-4, as the title states?

It's unclear whether Haslett will use a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense in Washington. He once ran the 3-4 while serving as the Steelers' defensive coordinator. With the Saints and Rams (as well as the UFL's Florida Tuskers), Haslett used a base 4-3.

I have no issues with him as a defco. He had success in Pittsburgh, just not in NO or STL as a head coach.

Of course now I'm going to call him Jim HAYS-lett, like the Ol' Ball Coach used to.

I've been around a while.

On Haslett - He's a firey type coach - which I like. But I think our defense is going to go through a transition. I think that our OLB's are going to be Orakpo and Jackson. I think that we're probably going to trade Carter for a midround pick and we may even trade London b/c one thing I've read is that Allen has always gotten great value for players who are older before they declined in production. Neither player, I believe is suited for the 3-4.

Now I can't say that we'll run the 3-4 full time. I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't try a hybrid version of a 4/3 - 3/4. Which would make things really interesting.

frankcal20 wrote:I've been around a while.

On Haslett - He's a firey type coach - which I like. But I think our defense is going to go through a transition. I think that our OLB's are going to be Orakpo and Jackson. I think that we're probably going to trade Carter for a midround pick and we may even trade London b/c one thing I've read is that Allen has always gotten great value for players who are older before they declined in production. Neither player, I believe is suited for the 3-4.

Now I can't say that we'll run the 3-4 full time. I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't try a hybrid version of a 4/3 - 3/4. Which would make things really interesting.

I politely disagree good sir, I believe that London and Andre fit fine in the 3-4 i picture our 2 OLB's being Chris Wilson and Orakpo, to ILB's being London and Rocky, NT-Hayneworth, DE Carter, and for the other If we cant find someone else I actually think Old man Daniels would be serviceable for a year. I would also love to see a Ryan Clark return (without an overpayment) because of the knowledge he brings to the 3-4 and we need to get Laron back to SS.

PMG12569 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I've been around a while.

On Haslett - He's a firey type coach - which I like. But I think our defense is going to go through a transition. I think that our OLB's are going to be Orakpo and Jackson. I think that we're probably going to trade Carter for a midround pick and we may even trade London b/c one thing I've read is that Allen has always gotten great value for players who are older before they declined in production. Neither player, I believe is suited for the 3-4.

Now I can't say that we'll run the 3-4 full time. I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't try a hybrid version of a 4/3 - 3/4. Which would make things really interesting.

I politely disagree good sir, I believe that London and Andre fit fine in the 3-4 i picture our 2 OLB's being Chris Wilson and Orakpo, to ILB's being London and Rocky, NT-Hayneworth, DE Carter, and for the other If we cant find someone else I actually think Old man Daniels would be serviceable for a year. I would also love to see a Ryan Clark return (without an overpayment) because of the knowledge he brings to the 3-4 and we need to get Laron back to SS.

Carter doesn't have the size to be a 3-4 DE.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

PMG12569 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I've been around a while.

On Haslett - He's a firey type coach - which I like. But I think our defense is going to go through a transition. I think that our OLB's are going to be Orakpo and Jackson. I think that we're probably going to trade Carter for a midround pick and we may even trade London b/c one thing I've read is that Allen has always gotten great value for players who are older before they declined in production. Neither player, I believe is suited for the 3-4.

Now I can't say that we'll run the 3-4 full time. I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't try a hybrid version of a 4/3 - 3/4. Which would make things really interesting.

I politely disagree good sir, I believe that London and Andre fit fine in the 3-4 i picture our 2 OLB's being Chris Wilson and Orakpo, to ILB's being London and Rocky, NT-Hayneworth, DE Carter, and for the other If we cant find someone else I actually think Old man Daniels would be serviceable for a year. I would also love to see a Ryan Clark return (without an overpayment) because of the knowledge he brings to the 3-4 and we need to get Laron back to SS.

Carter doesn't have the size to be a 3-4 DE.

Touché salesman, well then Carter and Rak can be OLB's and were going to have to get some 3-4 DE's. I still like the idea considering a lot of the most affective D's run it.

We need a healthy Montgomery next to Albert. Monty is a beast.

Carter is a classix 4-3 DE. He is no wear big enough to play DE in a 3-4 and failed badly playing as a OLB in a 3-4 in SF. I dont see a spot on this team for Andre if indeed we switch to a 3-4.

This should be interesting because I believe Haynesworth was quoted saying he did not want to play in the 3-4, which is 1 reason he signed with the skins.

"The DE in a 3-4 ideally would weigh between 275-300 lbs and would be able to beat a double team by getting a push. The 3-4 NT is the most important position on the field and is responsible for controlling the A gaps. If a running play comes through the A gap he must make the tackle or control the lineman freeing up another player to make the tackle. The ideal NT would weigh north of 335 lbs."

Now I am not sure how the Ravens use Nata, but thats how we should use Haynesworth. I hate the Ravens so I try to avoid them, so I am not sure if Nata lines up as a DE or NT. I see our front 7 looking like this:

DE - Jarmon/Gholston
NT - Monty/?
DE - Haynesworth/Daniels
ILB - Fletcher
ILB - Blades
OLB - McIntosh
OLB - Orakpo

A case could be made for moving Blades to backup, Rocky to ILB and Carter to OLB

frankcal20 wrote:I've been around a while.

On Haslett - He's a firey type coach - which I like. But I think our defense is going to go through a transition. I think that our OLB's are going to be Orakpo and Jackson. I think that we're probably going to trade Carter for a midround pick and we may even trade London b/c one thing I've read is that Allen has always gotten great value for players who are older before they declined in production. Neither player, I believe is suited for the 3-4.

Now I can't say that we'll run the 3-4 full time. I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't try a hybrid version of a 4/3 - 3/4. Which would make things really interesting.

thanks Frank, but are you sure that Haslett is going to go to the 3-4?

I do not know as much as you guys but I really hope that the new guys coming in here on both sides of the ball come up with a plan that takes advantage of what they have here already

I know that we were 4-12 with these guys but it was not all on them - I am not sure that we are close to being able to put a competitive product on the field but I certainly hope these new coaches come in here with an open mind on how to get things turned around here

I am not against the 3-4, at all - just sayin ....


btw - I am really pleased that we brought in Haslett - I have always liked the way he handles his players

I am against the 3 - 4

... because ...

... it will take longer to implement successfully than the current 4 - 3, which is already effective. My gripe against our defense was the soft prevent way in which Blache implemented it, not the scheme itself.

This should be interesting because I believe Haynesworth was quoted saying he did not want to play in the 3-4, which is 1 reason he signed with the skins.

Haynesworth is going to throw a fit if we switch to a 3-4.

Congrats on getting Haslett, Hogs.

As far as Haynseworth goes. Suck it up. Things happen and when you're getting $100 million in return for your services, you shouldn't have a problem adjusting. Next time, maybe Albert should have his agent put language in the contract barring the team "lucky" enough to get him from implementing a defense not of his liking.

Be serious.

SkinsJock wrote:
thanks Frank, but are you sure that Haslett is going to go to the 3-4?

I do not know as much as you guys but I really hope that the new guys coming in here on both sides of the ball come up with a plan that takes advantage of what they have here already

I know that we were 4-12 with these guys but it was not all on them - I am not sure that we are close to being able to put a competitive product on the field but I certainly hope these new coaches come in here with an open mind on how to get things turned around here

I am not against the 3-4, at all - just sayin ....


btw - I am really pleased that we brought in Haslett - I have always liked the way he handles his players

Shanny is the main push with the 3-4. Other than Gray everyone he considered for DC was a 3-4 guy... Zimmer, Romeo, and Haslett

CanesSkins26 wrote:

This should be interesting because I believe Haynesworth was quoted saying he did not want to play in the 3-4, which is 1 reason he signed with the skins.

Haynesworth is going to throw a fit if we switch to a 3-4.

This should work out find... Unless they go 3-4 full time... Haynesworth isn't on the field at least 30% of the defensive snaps for some reason or another anyway.

What da problem is

AH is under contract, I don't see how he can do much more than just throw a fit.

Unless, he becomes one of those, who try to thow a fit till he gets traded, i don't see him doing that.

I like the 3-4. Carter is too small for DE in 3-4.

But the guys we have, will work in a rotation. We will alternate people between rushing and passing downs.

I don't know much about Haslet, but in searching, it look like his D when he was the d coach for the steelers, was pretty good. His d coaching, is what got him a shot at being a head coach. Atleast, thats how it appears.

BnGhog wrote:AH is under contract, I don't see how he can do much more than just throw a fit.

Unless, he becomes one of those, who try to thow a fit till he gets traded, i don't see him doing that.

I like the 3-4. Carter is too small for DE in 3-4.

But the guys we have, will work in a rotation. We will alternate people between rushing and passing downs.

I don't know much about Haslet, but in searching, it look like his D when he was the d coach for the steelers, was pretty good. His d coaching, is what got him a shot at being a head coach. Atleast, thats how it appears.

He's run both, so why can't we have elements of both?

VetSkinsFan wrote:

BnGhog wrote:AH is under contract, I don't see how he can do much more than just throw a fit.

Unless, he becomes one of those, who try to thow a fit till he gets traded, i don't see him doing that.

I like the 3-4. Carter is too small for DE in 3-4.

But the guys we have, will work in a rotation. We will alternate people between rushing and passing downs.

I don't know much about Haslet, but in searching, it look like his D when he was the d coach for the steelers, was pretty good. His d coaching, is what got him a shot at being a head coach. Atleast, thats how it appears.

He's run both, so why can't we have elements of both?

I agree.

When watching teams that run a 3-4, I sometimes have a hard time seeing the 3-4 because they mix it up, up front so much anyway

This should work out find... Unless they go 3-4 full time... Haynesworth isn't on the field at least 30% of the defensive snaps for some reason or another anyway.

What da problem is

I was referring to them going 3-4 full time. No way he will want to play NT.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

This should work out find... Unless they go 3-4 full time... Haynesworth isn't on the field at least 30% of the defensive snaps for some reason or another anyway.

What da problem is

I was referring to them going 3-4 full time. No way he will want to play NT.

I know what you where saying and you're correct... I'm just saying until he becomes (because he never has been is no excuse) a full time DL then he should take the same advise that I'd give CP. "SHUT UP and do what you have been PAID to do, which is PLAY.

That said it will be interesting to see how Haslett handles the situation should it arise.

1niksder wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

This should work out find... Unless they go 3-4 full time... Haynesworth isn't on the field at least 30% of the defensive snaps for some reason or another anyway.

What da problem is

I was referring to them going 3-4 full time. No way he will want to play NT.

I know what you where saying and you're correct... I'm just saying until he becomes (because he never has been is no excuse) a full time DL then he should take the same advise that I'd give CP. "SHUT UP and do what you have been PAID to do, which is PLAY.

That said it will be interesting to see how Haslett handles the situation should it arise.

I agree with your sentiment, but in today's NFL, especially with a guy like Haynesworth, I think that that is wishful thinking.

As for the 3-4, I just dont see us going to it full time (at this point) because of our personnel. You don't pay a guy as much as we paid Haynwesworth and then ask him to play NT. It just doesn't make very much sense and goes against what Shanahan said the other day, which is adapting your scheme to the strengths of your players.

I personally like the 3-4 scheme, but I just don't think that takes advantage of our personnel.

Haynesworth is just one of the bad fits ... Orakpo's talent is best suited as a DE in a 4-3 as is Carter .. and neither shows the ability to play OLB nearly as effectively as they are at DE.

With everything that is needed on offense, I just think it's nuts to consider the 3-4 at this stage, with this personnel

Of course, who am I to say. After all, the Redskins have a long track record of utilizing player's skills at the optimal positions Landry FS, Orakpo LB, Haynesworth Place Holder, the examples are too numerous to mention

So I could see them going to a 2 DE 1 NT setup given that the NT doesn't want to play NT, and we have like 50 DE's on the roster, while being short on LBs.

Yeah, makes total sense.