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What do you guys think... Richard Seymour had 47 tackles and 4 sacks this past season...

I think Seymour and Haynesworth would be dominating... He probably only has 2 more good years left. He probably wants a big contract but with an uncapped year the Danny could pay him most of his contract in 2010 and a league minimum over the remainder, say of a 4 year deal!?!? As long as it doesn't handcuff the skins financially in the future, what do we as fans care if the Danny pays him big, its not our money...

P.S. Kedric and Anthony will always be career back-ups and Griffin's productivity continuous to slide...

I like the guy and he is very productive and aging. I think that with Bruce Allen we can expect players to come here for the right price. If that is te case, then I would take him...that will make our line D Line better and that is what we have to do.

No thankyou.

It makes sense if we are switching to a 3-4. Also the price has to be right.
Seymour is still a very dominant player.

It MIGHT make sense if you think we're going to be making a run at the Superbowl next year, and you think he's the missing piece of the jigsaw. But I don't think this franchise is in a position to have rational thoughts of a deep playoff run next year, and signing Seymour might just be a colossal waste of money in order to simply achieve a greater level of mediocrity!

Let's use the draft to acquire players that will be here in 3 or 4 years time, with the exception of some good value free agents that will help fill positions of need?

I am not in favor of giving up anything - we need to add players, NOT lose or give up players or draft picks - we are 4-12 and, I agree with UK Skins, we are not looking to realistically be in the chase for a playoff spot this year or even 2011
that has been the issue here for many years - we have tried to do what's best for the next season at the expense of the franchise's longer term interests - we need to see if we can put a consistently competitive product on the field in 2012 and beyond

making the playoffs in 2010 OR 2011 is not as important as making sure we have a competitive product in 2012 and beyond

looking short term is why we have to go through the next 2 seasons realistically and with patience - hopefully Shanahan, Allen and whomever else is a part of this FO will be looking long term and not short term

let's face it, we are already a better franchise than we were a year ago - I don't know about others here, I am not expecting great things - I just want to see some accountability, some better coaching and better effort from the players

He's a UFA and projected no salary cap. We don't give anything up here if he addresses a specific stopgap need while still playing at a high level until we can get younger at his position.

UK Skins Fan wrote:It MIGHT make sense if you think we're going to be making a run at the Superbowl next year, and you think he's the missing piece of the jigsaw. But I don't think this franchise is in a position to have rational thoughts of a deep playoff run next year, and signing Seymour might just be a colossal waste of money in order to simply achieve a greater level of mediocrity!

Let's use the draft to acquire players that will be here in 3 or 4 years time, with the exception of some good value free agents that will help fill positions of need?

See, here's the thing. If there is no salary cap, so what if it's a waste of money? He's a UFA, so there would be no implication in terms of a draft pick or a player.

If he provides an improvement in the defense, and the only cost is to Danny's pocket... who cares?

Is there a rule that says a rebuilding team can't compete?

The cap rules are likely to be very different in this coming year. Y'all gotta think outside of the box.

I agree trey - as I said, the only consideration I am hoping for is that we don't give up a a player or a draft pick AND that the overall rule be that we consider what is best for the franchise long term and not short term which is all Cerrato and Snyder seemed to be thinking

I could care less about Snyder's pocketbook

ALSO, I do think that the 'thinking outside the box rule' will be in effect around here with these guys

Still not convinced, but my opinion matters far less than those of Messrs Allen and Shanahan. I'm ready and willing to trust these guys to make the right decisions from now on. But I'm more interested in seeing this team build a solid core of depth rather than adding more high priced free agent froth. You're right - a non cap year might make a difference to the thought process, but two years down the line? Three?

And I hardly think that not pursuing Seymour would preclude the Redskins from being competitive - hell, I think this team would be competitive simply by executing and playing with discipline.

UK Skins Fan wrote:You're right - a non cap year might make a difference to the thought process, but two years down the line? Three?

Simple. You just don't prorate the bonus money. Pay it all next year. Then it's only base salaries after that.

f he provides an improvement in the defense, and the only cost is to Danny's pocket... who cares?

Is there a rule that says a rebuilding team can't compete?

The main concern, for me anyway, is that he takes the playing time of a younger player. If there is a young player on the roster that needs development and has the potential to be a longterm replacement (i.e. Jarmon once he is healthy) then I would much rather have him playing over a guy like Seymour, even if it hurts us in the short-term.

Deadskins wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:You're right - a non cap year might make a difference to the thought process, but two years down the line? Three?

Simple. You just don't prorate the bonus money. Pay it all next year. Then it's only base salaries after that.

Hmmm..sounds like the kind of flawed thinking that has got us into trouble before? A huge payday for an ageing vet, up front, and then expect him to be motivated? I'd rather we steered well clear of the potential risks of that.

UK Skins Fan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:You're right - a non cap year might make a difference to the thought process, but two years down the line? Three?

Simple. You just don't prorate the bonus money. Pay it all next year. Then it's only base salaries after that.

Hmmm..sounds like the kind of flawed thinking that has got us into trouble before? A huge payday for an ageing vet, up front, and then expect him to be motivated? I'd rather we steered well clear of the potential risks of that.

He get's the money either way. Once the contract is signed, your point is moot.

UK Skins Fan wrote:No thankyou.

I totally agree with you on this. All though he a good player and can be dominating we don't need to add him. I would love to see us get younger on the line

Hooray! I'm the moot point king!

UK Skins Fan wrote:Allen and Shanahan. I'm ready and willing to trust these guys to make the right decisions from now on. But I'm more interested in seeing this team build a solid core of depth rather than adding more high priced free agent froth. You're right - a non cap year might make a difference to the thought process, but two years down the line? Three?
And I hardly think that not pursuing Seymour would preclude the Redskins from being competitive - hell, I think this team would be competitive simply by executing and playing with discipline.

Hail to the 'moot point' king

you're right UK - this team will be a lot better just by having players come in here that want to both compete and make a little bit of an effort - we do not need to continue to bring in players that have played some great football elsewhere and then when they're here just show up to practice and play

I have no problem with bringing in great players but having great players that want to be a part of the team and play up to the level of their contracts has not happened here in many years

we need to stop doing business that way - fantasy football is just that, a fantasy - we need to be better on the field than we have and that means adding players that want to make a difference and not just get some of Snyder's money

UK Skins Fan wrote:It MIGHT make sense if you think we're going to be making a run at the Superbowl next year, and you think he's the missing piece of the jigsaw. But I don't think this franchise is in a position to have rational thoughts of a deep playoff run next year, and signing Seymour might just be a colossal waste of money in order to simply achieve a greater level of mediocrity!

Let's use the draft to acquire players that will be here in 3 or 4 years time, with the exception of some good value free agents that will help fill positions of need?

Totally agree. waste of money. I don't want short term fixes. I want LONG term solutions that will make our franchise GREAT for a long ass time

chiefhog44 wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:It MIGHT make sense if you think we're going to be making a run at the Superbowl next year, and you think he's the missing piece of the jigsaw. But I don't think this franchise is in a position to have rational thoughts of a deep playoff run next year, and signing Seymour might just be a colossal waste of money in order to simply achieve a greater level of mediocrity!

Let's use the draft to acquire players that will be here in 3 or 4 years time, with the exception of some good value free agents that will help fill positions of need?

Totally agree. waste of money. I don't want short term fixes. I want LONG term solutions that will make our franchise GREAT for a long ass time

Totally disagree. You can't rebuild a team in a year, so what's the problem with bringing in some short timers until you can fill that spot with youth. Every team is on the lookout for free agents. The good ones just make better choices on which FAs to pursue.

chiefhog44 wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:It MIGHT make sense if you think we're going to be making a run at the Superbowl next year, and you think he's the missing piece of the jigsaw. But I don't think this franchise is in a position to have rational thoughts of a deep playoff run next year, and signing Seymour might just be a colossal waste of money in order to simply achieve a greater level of mediocrity!

Let's use the draft to acquire players that will be here in 3 or 4 years time, with the exception of some good value free agents that will help fill positions of need?

Totally agree. waste of money. I don't want short term fixes. I want LONG term solutions that will make our franchise GREAT for a long ass time

You are thinking like the cap will be in place... that's not likely...
In an uncapped year, they can do both... there is no penalty for pursuing FA's, and paying them too much. It's Danny's money, so who cares if it's a waste??? There's no cap for it to count against.

That would allow the team to both build to compete this year AND build for the future at the same time. The false concern of "finding playing time" for younger players can be managed, and if they want playing time, they will have to work their tails off to earn it.

chiefhog44 wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:It MIGHT make sense if you think we're going to be making a run at the Superbowl next year, and you think he's the missing piece of the jigsaw. But I don't think this franchise is in a position to have rational thoughts of a deep playoff run next year, and signing Seymour might just be a colossal waste of money in order to simply achieve a greater level of mediocrity!

Let's use the draft to acquire players that will be here in 3 or 4 years time, with the exception of some good value free agents that will help fill positions of need?

Totally agree. waste of money. I don't want short term fixes. I want LONG term solutions that will make our franchise GREAT for a long ass time

Totally disagree. You can't rebuild a team in a year, so what's the problem with bringing in some short timers until you can fill that spot with youth? Every team is on the lookout for free agents. The good ones just make better choices on which FAs to pursue.

Deadskins wrote:You can't rebuild a team in a year

That concept escapes many people. As long as the core philosophy is to get younger, there's nothing wrong with 1-2 short term solutions. Most fans are scarred from previous years, any FA signing is a sign of SB dreams from the owner.

If we're going to spend dollars in free agency on our dline, I'd rather go for Vince Wilfork. who is going to be a free agent. NE sent Seymour packing as they didn't think they could keep both. Wilfork is younger than Seymour and a stud at Nose Tackle. If we're going to a 3-4, we need a monster in the middle. Put Vince, Albert and me there and you'd have a solid front 3. Don't laugh, you haven't seen my gut!!!

Seymour is already 30 and we can find a few guys to play end with a 3-4.
Plus, I can't imagine the Raiders sending a 1st rounder to NE and NOT keeping him.

Countertrey wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:It MIGHT make sense if you think we're going to be making a run at the Superbowl next year, and you think he's the missing piece of the jigsaw. But I don't think this franchise is in a position to have rational thoughts of a deep playoff run next year, and signing Seymour might just be a colossal waste of money in order to simply achieve a greater level of mediocrity!

Let's use the draft to acquire players that will be here in 3 or 4 years time, with the exception of some good value free agents that will help fill positions of need?

Totally agree. waste of money. I don't want short term fixes. I want LONG term solutions that will make our franchise GREAT for a long ass time

You are thinking like the cap will be in place... that's not likely...
In an uncapped year, they can do both... there is no penalty for pursuing FA's, and paying them too much. It's Danny's money, so who cares if it's a waste??? There's no cap for it to count against.

I'm not sure I agree with this philosophy. I think spending money has changed the culture around here. Whatever. Let's go back to 2001 and try and buy a Super Bowl with a bunch of 30 year olds.

Ultimately, the guy was let go by the Patriots, and if a well run organisation lets a player leave, you have to ask yourself whether another well run organisation would sign him up. Obviously, the Patriots are in a very different place to the Redskins, but I'm not sure that having Haynesworth and Seymour in the same locker room would be a good idea (however much short term success they might bring together on the field).