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This is the first I've seen of Haslett's name being mentioned, I'd be down but Zimmer is the real prize


We're going to have to hire alot of coaches, coordinators and position coaches.

And Haslett is a 3-4 coach.

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This is the first I've seen of Haslett's name being mentioned, I'd be down but Zimmer is the real prize


We're going to have to hire alot of coaches, coordinators and position coaches.

Do not believe this noise. It will not happen from what I know so far.

I was listening to Arrington yesterday and they said that we have the personnel for the 3-4 now. Orakpo and Carter as your OLB's, Haynesworth at NT, McIntosh and Fletch at MLB. Not sure I want to go that route just because it's so trendy right now but I like the attitude that Haslett has. He's not going to put up with crap.

frankcal20 wrote:I was listening to Arrington yesterday and they said that we have the personnel for the 3-4 now. Orakpo and Carter as your OLB's, Haynesworth at NT, McIntosh and Fletch at MLB. Not sure I want to go that route just because it's so trendy right now but I like the attitude that Haslett has. He's not going to put up with crap.

The Carter linebacker experiment has already been tried and it failed big time.

For the first time in years, we've got 2 pass rushing DE and dominant DT, so now is the time to swap to 3-4?

I would have understood it when we had years of run first DEs with no pass rush, but now? I'd have thought a bit of a tweak (Orakpo at DE full time and allowing Albert to do his stuff) would sort out the line and the backers just need a bit of help.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I was listening to Arrington yesterday and they said that we have the personnel for the 3-4 now. Orakpo and Carter as your OLB's, Haynesworth at NT, McIntosh and Fletch at MLB. Not sure I want to go that route just because it's so trendy right now but I like the attitude that Haslett has. He's not going to put up with crap.

The Carter linebacker experiment has already been tried and it failed big time.

How did it fail? He played one season! In 2005 he played OLB, and he did pretty well. (4.5 sacks, 2 PD, 35 tkl.) He didn't fail and he surely didn't fail "big time".

I'm not saying we should switch to the 3-4, but Andre Carter would be the least of our concerns if we did.

I agree but in all honesty, I don't want the 3-4 to come in only because I'm comfortable with the 4-3. The defense overall is only a few pieces away from being dominate. And I think that getting sure tackling vet's in here will go a long way.

Skinsfan55 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I was listening to Arrington yesterday and they said that we have the personnel for the 3-4 now. Orakpo and Carter as your OLB's, Haynesworth at NT, McIntosh and Fletch at MLB. Not sure I want to go that route just because it's so trendy right now but I like the attitude that Haslett has. He's not going to put up with crap.

The Carter linebacker experiment has already been tried and it failed big time.

How did it fail? He played one season! In 2005 he played OLB, and he did pretty well. (4.5 sacks, 2 PD, 35 tkl.) He didn't fail and he surely didn't fail "big time".

I'm not saying we should switch to the 3-4, but Andre Carter would be the least of our concerns if we did.

It failed because he couldn't cover anybody while playing as a linebacker. His stats for that season (along with 2007) are the worst in his career. He struggled both in coverage and at rushing the passer from the linebacker spot. Carter is a defensive end, not a linebacker. We've played enough guys out of position over the years and it needs to stop.

frankcal20 wrote:I agree but in all honesty, I don't want the 3-4 to come in only because I'm comfortable with the 4-3. The defense overall is only a few pieces away from being dominate. And I think that getting sure tackling vet's in here will go a long way.

Those pieces being corners, safties, and a couple of linebackers.

I think we are fine at linebacker for the 3-4 and Hall, under the right coach can be very good. Rogers I think has the skill set for the position but he really needs to be coached up and the one person I blame for the defense giving up the big plays is Gray. He say's a lot of the right things but you've got to do something for guys failing to make plays they should like catch the ball or make a tackle vs just delivering a big hit that guys can take.

frankcal20 wrote:I think we are fine at linebacker for the 3-4 and Hall, under the right coach can be very good. Rogers I think has the skill set for the position but he really needs to be coached up and the one person I blame for the defense giving up the big plays is Gray. He say's a lot of the right things but you've got to do something for guys failing to make plays they should like catch the ball or make a tackle vs just delivering a big hit that guys can take.

I have to disagree. Rogers and Hall are simply not cutting, both with their physical ability and attitude on the field. You can add Landry to that group as well.

As for the 3-4, we don't have the personnel for that. For starters, it would be a tremendous waste of Haynesworth's talent to use him as a NT, whose primary duty is to take up blockers. We don't really have the defensive ends for a 3-4, unless you want to rely on a 37-year old Philip Daniels and a 36-year old Renaldo Wynn.

With Orakpo it's obvious that he plays at his best with his hand on the ground and Carter did not fare well in 2005 when playing linebacker in a 3-4.

In addition, if you think that Haynesworth was out-of-line with his complaints about how he was used by Blache, just imagine how he is going to react to being a NT in a 3-4.

As I stated in my first post - I'm only regurgitating what Lavar Arrington said yesterday on the radio. WTH do I know about the 3-4 or 4-3. My whole life I played WR and all the kicking positions. I never played defense outside of pop warner football and if you call that football - then well.....

CanesSkins26 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I was listening to Arrington yesterday and they said that we have the personnel for the 3-4 now. Orakpo and Carter as your OLB's, Haynesworth at NT, McIntosh and Fletch at MLB. Not sure I want to go that route just because it's so trendy right now but I like the attitude that Haslett has. He's not going to put up with crap.

The Carter linebacker experiment has already been tried and it failed big time.

You beat me to it. If I was tabbing OLB sfor a 3-4 that are on our roster I would be looking at Orakpo and Wilson. London and Rockey or London and Blades as the ILBs.

DL - Jarmin, Hanyneworth, Alexander
Trade Carter if you can, good time after his best season. If not he would play DE on non-run downs.

Haynesworth would actually most likely be a DE in a 3-4 scheme (Big Al was great when occasionally moved to end with the Titans) also, Andre Carter played one year as a LB and actually did well. 4.5 sacks, 35 tackles, 2 PD. It takes time to learn a new position. It just happens that one season later a 4-3 team like the Redskins wanted him back at end.

Haynesworth would actually most likely be a DE in a 3-4 scheme (Big Al was great when occasionally moved to end with the Titans)

Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Haynesworth is 350 pounds, which, even for a 3-4 is far too big for a DE. Take the Chargers for example, a 3-4 team. Their starting DE's are 290 and 295, respectively. The Steelers, another 3-4 team, have a 285 pound and a 298 pound defense ends. The only 3-4 defensive end that I could find that even comes close to Haynewsworth's size is Igor Olshansky of the Cowboys and he is 35 pounds lighter than Big Al.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I think we are fine at linebacker for the 3-4 and Hall, under the right coach can be very good. Rogers I think has the skill set for the position but he really needs to be coached up and the one person I blame for the defense giving up the big plays is Gray. He say's a lot of the right things but you've got to do something for guys failing to make plays they should like catch the ball or make a tackle vs just delivering a big hit that guys can take.

I have to disagree. Rogers and Hall are simply not cutting, both with their physical ability and attitude on the field. You can add Landry to that group as well.

So you have 3 of the 4 starting DBs on a team with the same deficiency, and you DON'T blame the coaches? Makes perfect sense to me...

VetSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I think we are fine at linebacker for the 3-4 and Hall, under the right coach can be very good. Rogers I think has the skill set for the position but he really needs to be coached up and the one person I blame for the defense giving up the big plays is Gray. He say's a lot of the right things but you've got to do something for guys failing to make plays they should like catch the ball or make a tackle vs just delivering a big hit that guys can take.

I have to disagree. Rogers and Hall are simply not cutting, both with their physical ability and attitude on the field. You can add Landry to that group as well.

So you have 3 of the 4 starting DBs on a team with the same deficiency, and you DON'T blame the coaches? Makes perfect sense to me...

They all have their own deficiencies, but they all also share the same deficiencies, such as generally acting like fools on the field. I'm frankly sick and tired of watching Landry bob his head like an idiot and Rogers celebrate when he gets beat badly but gets lucky because a receiver dropped the ball. For Hall this is the third team that he hasn't been able to cut it on and Landry, generally speaking, acts like an immature punk on the field.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I think we are fine at linebacker for the 3-4 and Hall, under the right coach can be very good. Rogers I think has the skill set for the position but he really needs to be coached up and the one person I blame for the defense giving up the big plays is Gray. He say's a lot of the right things but you've got to do something for guys failing to make plays they should like catch the ball or make a tackle vs just delivering a big hit that guys can take.

I have to disagree. Rogers and Hall are simply not cutting, both with their physical ability and attitude on the field. You can add Landry to that group as well.

So you have 3 of the 4 starting DBs on a team with the same deficiency, and you DON'T blame the coaches? Makes perfect sense to me...

I also have a hard time blaming Gray because Tryon, Moore, Horton, and Doughty have all improved under him. I think what separates them from Hall, Rogers, and Landry is attitude.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I think we are fine at linebacker for the 3-4 and Hall, under the right coach can be very good. Rogers I think has the skill set for the position but he really needs to be coached up and the one person I blame for the defense giving up the big plays is Gray. He say's a lot of the right things but you've got to do something for guys failing to make plays they should like catch the ball or make a tackle vs just delivering a big hit that guys can take.

I have to disagree. Rogers and Hall are simply not cutting, both with their physical ability and attitude on the field. You can add Landry to that group as well.

So you have 3 of the 4 starting DBs on a team with the same deficiency, and you DON'T blame the coaches? Makes perfect sense to me...

I also have a hard time blaming Gray because Tryon, Moore, Horton, and Doughty have all improved under him. I think what separates them from Hall, Rogers, and Landry is attitude.

Attitude can be adjusted with the application of the right amount of preasure!

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Haynesworth would actually most likely be a DE in a 3-4 scheme (Big Al was great when occasionally moved to end with the Titans)

Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Haynesworth is 350 pounds, which, even for a 3-4 is far too big for a DE. Take the Chargers for example, a 3-4 team. Their starting DE's are 290 and 295, respectively. The Steelers, another 3-4 team, have a 285 pound and a 298 pound defense ends. The only 3-4 defensive end that I could find that even comes close to Haynewsworth's size is Igor Olshansky of the Cowboys and he is 35 pounds lighter than Big Al.

The primary role of a DT in a 4-3 is to soak up blockers, and occupy holes. The primary role of the NT AND the DE's in a 3-4 is to soak up blockers and occupy holes.

Tell me why it would matter whether Haynesworth is over the Center or over a Tackle in a 3-4. From either postition, he would still be devastating when in the game. Personally, I don't believe that we have the personnel for a 3-4, which is designed to feature the linebackers...

Countertrey wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Haynesworth would actually most likely be a DE in a 3-4 scheme (Big Al was great when occasionally moved to end with the Titans)

Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Haynesworth is 350 pounds, which, even for a 3-4 is far too big for a DE. Take the Chargers for example, a 3-4 team. Their starting DE's are 290 and 295, respectively. The Steelers, another 3-4 team, have a 285 pound and a 298 pound defense ends. The only 3-4 defensive end that I could find that even comes close to Haynewsworth's size is Igor Olshansky of the Cowboys and he is 35 pounds lighter than Big Al.

The primary role of a DT in a 4-3 is to soak up blockers, and occupy holes. The primary role of the NT AND the DE's in a 3-4 is to soak up blockers and occupy holes.

Tell me why it would matter whether Haynesworth is over the Center or over a Tackle in a 3-4. From either postition, he would still be devastating when in the game. Personally, I don't believe that we have the personnel for a 3-4, which is designed to feature the linebackers...

I think we have the DT and maybe 1-2 LBs for a 3-4. But I don't see a single DE on our roster, outside of Orakpo, who would be a force in the 3-4. Maybe a much younger Daniels.

Haynesworth would be fine, I think, in a 3-4. He'd complain a lot, probably, but the man is a talent and could adjust to the new role fine.

Still, I'd hate to see us switch. This line is a classic 4-3 build, and I agree with you that we don't have the LBs to pull off the switch.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Haynesworth would actually most likely be a DE in a 3-4 scheme (Big Al was great when occasionally moved to end with the Titans)

Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Haynesworth is 350 pounds, which, even for a 3-4 is far too big for a DE. Take the Chargers for example, a 3-4 team. Their starting DE's are 290 and 295, respectively. The Steelers, another 3-4 team, have a 285 pound and a 298 pound defense ends. The only 3-4 defensive end that I could find that even comes close to Haynewsworth's size is Igor Olshansky of the Cowboys and he is 35 pounds lighter than Big Al.

The primary role of a DT in a 4-3 is to soak up blockers, and occupy holes. The primary role of the NT AND the DE's in a 3-4 is to soak up blockers and occupy holes.

Tell me why it would matter whether Haynesworth is over the Center or over a Tackle in a 3-4. From either postition, he would still be devastating when in the game. Personally, I don't believe that we have the personnel for a 3-4, which is designed to feature the linebackers...

I think we have the DT and maybe 1-2 LBs for a 3-4. But I don't see a single DE on our roster, outside of Orakpo, who would be a force in the 3-4. Maybe a much younger Daniels.

Haynesworth would be fine, I think, in a 3-4. He'd complain a lot, probably, but the man is a talent and could adjust to the new role fine.

Still, I'd hate to see us switch. This line is a classic 4-3 build, and I agree with you that we don't have the LBs to pull off the switch.

Chris Wilson??? But I agree the personel we have is for a 4-3....either way I want Orakpo getting after the QB not covering!

I just want Haynesworth and Rak on the same side.... 3/4, 4/3 I care not, put them on the same side!