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Portis On Campbell
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:37 pm
by CanesSkins26
CP just did an interview with John Thompson. This is what he said about JC...
"No disrespect to Jason, but...I think Jason had enough trouble in getting the plays in [much less] controlling the huddle."
"You never see Jason mad, you never see Jason's tempo change."
He said it isn't in Jason's character to take on a leadership role.
Asked why he isn't a team captain...."I wonder the same thing....You know Jason Campbell ain't gonna go tell the coach we need to do this."
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:56 pm
by cleg
Honestly, I have had enough of Clinton Portis and would like to see him gone next year. I don't even care if he is right about Campbell or not.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:05 pm
by TincoSkin
cleg wrote:Honestly, I have had enough of Clinton Portis and would like to see him gone next year. I don't even care if he is right about Campbell or not.
maybe, but hes right.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:10 pm
by CanesSkins26
cleg wrote:Honestly, I have had enough of Clinton Portis and would like to see him gone next year. I don't even care if he is right about Campbell or not.
Can't say I have a problem with it. He's right about what he's saying.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:22 pm
by El Mexican
Even if Portis is right, you don't speak like that about your QB.
Not if you want to avoid being called "locker-room cancer". But the dude is close to Snyder, so...
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:31 pm
by cleg
CanesSkins26 wrote:cleg wrote:Honestly, I have had enough of Clinton Portis and would like to see him gone next year. I don't even care if he is right about Campbell or not.
Can't say I have a problem with it. He's right about what he's saying.
Do you really want this kind of behavior to continue? Do you want Portis running the The Danny any time he does not agree with a coach? I don't care if it is true what he is saying or not it does the team no good when he acts liks this.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:34 pm
by ferryrich
El Mexican wrote:Even if Portis is right, you don't speak like that about your QB.
Not if you want to avoid being called "locker-room cancer". But the dude is close to Snyder, so...
Portis probably thinks JC is his former QB
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:35 pm
by CanesSkins26
cleg wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:cleg wrote:Honestly, I have had enough of Clinton Portis and would like to see him gone next year. I don't even care if he is right about Campbell or not.
Can't say I have a problem with it. He's right about what he's saying.
Do you really want this kind of behavior to continue? Do you want Portis running the The Danny any time he does not agree with a coach? I don't care if it is true what he is saying or not it does the team no good when he acts liks this.
The team is getting blown up. None of this matters one bit. Chances are both CP and JC are gone next year. I'm tired of JC's "woe is me" routine (he was complaining again today) so I'm glad that he got called out a little bit.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:38 pm
by cleg
I don't know for sure the team will be blown up and the way Allen was talking JC could very well be back. Clinton is owed a lot of money next year and I don't pretend to know how the cap/no cap thing will work out.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:41 pm
by riggofan
CanesSkins26 wrote:cleg wrote:Honestly, I have had enough of Clinton Portis and would like to see him gone next year. I don't even care if he is right about Campbell or not.
Can't say I have a problem with it. He's right about what he's saying.
How do you guys know that? I must have missed all of the times you were in the huddle this season.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:43 pm
by CanesSkins26
riggofan wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:cleg wrote:Honestly, I have had enough of Clinton Portis and would like to see him gone next year. I don't even care if he is right about Campbell or not.
Can't say I have a problem with it. He's right about what he's saying.
How do you guys know that? I must have missed all of the times you were in the huddle this season.
What have you ever seen from JC that makes you think that he has any leadership ability?
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:42 pm
by UK Skins Fan
I don't care what Clinton thinks, I really don't. Whether he's right or wrong is less relevant than the fact that he should shut the hell up.
Preferrably, go a long way away, and shut the hell up.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:05 pm
by RayNAustin
Yeah, and most especially when it comes to criticizing the sacred cow, Jason Campbell.
I told you guys a long time ago that Campbell had no presence ... no fire ... no take charge ability. After 4 years starting, he's not the answer, and contrary to those who declared how the team viewed him as the leader ... the truth comes out.
Why does Portis speak now? Because he knows he's leaving. He's not a fool ... Shannahan traded his butt to begin with ... think he's going to keep him with a 7 Mil price tag next year? Fat chance. Clinton knows this, and Clinton ... for all of you who have made 4 years of excuses for JC, has been the Redskin offense since Campbell first started ... Zorn, in his infinite wisdom was the one who decided to make Betts the third down back this year, drastically reducing Portis role. And Portis was a dead man walking all year ... no life .. no drive .. no purpose.
Portis's attitude is a direct result of Jim Zorn's ludicrous decision to put Betts ahead of Portis.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:05 pm
by SkinsJock
It should be noted that this happened on the "official" Redskins radio station - I wonder how much of this sort of BS Shanahan and Allen are going to tolerate - this sort of behaviour is just bad for everyone
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:17 pm
by RayNAustin
UK Skins Fan wrote:I don't care what Clinton thinks, I really don't. Whether he's right or wrong is less relevant than the fact that he should shut the hell up.
Preferrably, go a long way away, and shut the hell up.
It's not irrelevant. Portis carried this team last year to the 6-2 start, not Campbell. And as soon as his body got worn down, and the 0-line suffered a couple of injuries, we saw what happened to the offense when Portis wasn't producing 130+ yards a game, didn't we?
Then at the start of 2009, Zorn decides that the woes of the offense could best be fixed by reducing Portis's role, while coddling Campbell.
And Portis's calling out of Sellers last year was correct too .. he was missing blocks right and left.
So he didn't keep his mouth shut ... he calls it like he sees it ... a QB that can't get it done, and a FB that wasn't doing his job well either.
If you're missing the point ... here it is ... Portis has been THE OFFENSE on this team, and he has always been ridden into the ground without a lot of help from those around him, yet Zorn singled him out ... had open confrontations with him in front of the players and the TV crowd.
Portis has a right to have an attitude.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:18 pm
by Gibbs4Life
I appreciate CP's candor, he has a right to voice his opinion, this isn't the CIA it's Redskins football
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:25 pm
by 1niksder
CanesSkins26 wrote:riggofan wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:cleg wrote:Honestly, I have had enough of Clinton Portis and would like to see him gone next year. I don't even care if he is right about Campbell or not.
Can't say I have a problem with it. He's right about what he's saying.
How do you guys know that? I must have missed all of the times you were in the huddle this season.
What have you ever seen from JC that makes you think that he has any leadership ability?
The same leadership that CP has showed...
He leads by his actions...
Portis said he didn't know why JC was voted a team leader but he also said LF was the only team leader that would go to the coaches with player complaints.
CP said he wasn't verbal and lead by his actions...
Jason was was beat up this year because he had no offensive line, but did not miss a practice, and played every game. CP was beat up because he came into camp out of shape and had no offensive line, he practiced 4 times in the first 8 weeks, then went on IR with a headache.
They both go on the radio and do interviews....
CP's words are always a topic because he names names...
JC says something but he doesn't put anyone out there... he said some players treat the game as a hobby and it fell thur the cracks.
CP said Jason's name yeah but what he said was "I think Jason had enough trouble in getting the plays in [much less] controlling the huddle."
Did he mean Jason wasn't in control of the huddle or that it was a task just getting the play. In the past without naming names Campbell said they went to the wristband to speed up the process and later converted that sheet to a numbers and color system.
That sounds like a on going process....
If Portis is leading by example and Campbell isn't a leader it would explain while all off the teams pro bowlers ended the season on IR, those with minor injuries and major cap numbers did not play the last few games, those that came to work like any other person with a job kept getting up and doing what they could to help their team.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:33 pm
by 1niksder
RayNAustin wrote:
If you're missing the point ... here it is ... Portis has been THE OFFENSE on this team, and he has always been ridden into the ground without a lot of help from those around him, yet Zorn singled him out ... had open confrontations with him in front of the players and the TV crowd.
Portis has a right to have an attitude.
Portis has been THE OFFENSE on this team BEFORE Zorn arrived... Gibbs and Saunders ran him into the ground (having him add weight didn't help either). It wasn't CP or JC's jobs to get help for them. Zorn singled him out because he talks too much and hasn'r done anything in a long time.
Maybe he calls it like the fans see it so often because that's all he has been for the last year and a half
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:10 pm
by DEHog
Asked why he isn't a team captain...."I wonder the same thing....You know Jason Campbell ain't gonna go tell the coach we need to do this."
So let me get this right...Portis calls out his QB and doesn't know why he's not a captain
SO to those of you who say it's OK...would you be OK with Jason calling CP old and slow...and doesn't practice???
IF I'm Jason...when they stick the mic in my fae and ask me about CP's comments...I'd just say I can't really comment because he wasn't in the huddle I was in
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:23 pm
by cleg
DEHog wrote:Asked why he isn't a team captain...."I wonder the same thing....You know Jason Campbell ain't gonna go tell the coach we need to do this."
So let me get this right...Portis calls out his QB and doesn't know why he's not a captain
SO to those of you who say it's OK...would you be OK with Jason calling CP old and slow...and doesn't practice???
IF I'm Jason...when they stick the mic in my fae and ask me about CP's comments...I'd just say I can't really comment because he wasn't in the huddle I was in
Word
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:06 pm
by El Mexican
ferryrich wrote:El Mexican wrote:Even if Portis is right, you don't speak like that about your QB.
Not if you want to avoid being called "locker-room cancer". But the dude is close to Snyder, so...
Portis probably thinks JC is his former QB
You are correct, sir.
Still, it's just symptomatic about the way this team has operated for the past 10 years.
The organization already has a delicate subject to resolve before even STARTING the 2010 season. Amazing.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:15 pm
by Gibbs4Life
I'd rather have CP than JC
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:22 pm
by REDEEMEDSKIN
SkinsJock wrote:It should be noted that this happened on the "official" Redskins radio station - I wonder how much of this sort of BS Shanahan and Allen are going to tolerate - this sort of behaviour is just bad for everyone
I agree. I hope they instill a gag order on these guys. It's ridiculous what comes out of their mouths at times, particularly during rough ones.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:31 pm
by frankcal20
Here is Jason Campbell's response to Portis' quotes about him:
Campbell fires back at Portis
Washington Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell blasted Clinton Portis for his poor work ethic and lack of understanding about "what real leadership is," responding to Portis' comments earlier in the day about Campbell.
Campbell, selected one of six team captains by teammates the last two seasons, called out Portis for putting himself above the team and, in his opinion, an overall lack of professionalism Portis has exhibited in Campbell's five seasons in Washington.
Which player do you side with in Portis vs. Campbell?
"How is he going to say I'm not a leader?" Campbell said in a lengthy phone interview. "I mean, that's just not true. To me, that's somebody who shows that they don't know what a real leader is. A leader is not someone who leads by the wrong example. A leader is someone who is trying to do the right thing and trying to lead by example, and not just [being] about themselves. There's a reason guys get selected as captains, and there's a reason guys don't get selected as captains. Obviously, he doesn't have the respect of the locker room to be a captain. For someone to try to take a shot at me at the end of the season, after they haven't even been around, only speaks about their character anyways.
"There have been a lot of things I could have come out and said. But I never went out of my way to make those things known. I never wanted those things to leave the locker room because it's no one else's business. And for those things to be said, questioning my character and questioning my leadership, I think that's not the way to go, especially when you're supposed to be a team guy. Is that being a good teammate? If that's the case, why is no one questioning my leadership and everyone is questioning his work ethic? Everyone looks at that. I'm not going to get into an argument; I don't even like talking about stuff like this because it makes no sense and it doesn't help the team, but I'm going to speak my mind on it when this is what he's saying about me."
Portis's seemingly cozy relationship with owner Daniel Snyder has stirred resentment in the locker room because he rarely practices. Campbell is "not ready for that situation," Portis said of the quarterback's captaincy. "I think Jason has enough trouble in getting the plays in and worrying about this, compared to controlling the huddle and making sure, 'Oh, we do this and we do that.' But you go and vote Jason Campbell [as captain] -- you know Jason Campbell ain't go and tell the coach, 'Well, we need to do this or we need to do that,' or 'This is how the players want it.' The only person I think would do it is London Fletcher."
Campbell said the comment pointed to Portis' obliviousness to the facts, Campbell said.
"We [all the captains] do go to the coaches. It's not our fault if the coaches decide they're not going to [do what the captains suggest]," Campbell said. "But we have some guys who go above the coaches. And that's another problem. You have some players who are not team players.
"They don't do the things teammates do to help each other. And then at the end of the season, when it's been a hard season, you want to point fingers at other people because you're upset about your own shortcomings? You're upset because you get into it with your teammates because of what you do?"
During a 16-13 victory Oct. 4 over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Portis went to coaches in an effort to have Pro Bowl fullback Mike Sellers demoted for what Portis deemed to be poor blocking. Sellers eventually confronted Portis during a heated locker-room exchange in which no punches were thrown, team sources said, but Mike Sellers essentially told Portis his teammates did not respect him because of his me-first approach.
"Not one time have I come out and made any excuses about anything with my situation," Campbell said. "I never do anything to try to hurt my teammates. Some people need to stop being 'me' guys and start being 'we' guys. And another thing, and I want you to write this, too, how does he even know what's going on with our team?
"How's he [going to] question anything when for those four or five weeks before he was on IR [the season-ending injured-reserve list], he never even came around. He wasn't with us. He was never at practice. Who does he think was holding the offense together? He should go ask the coaches and the players if he wants to know. But he wasn't around to do that. He doesn't know anything about leadership."
Campbell said he was disappointed about airing private team matters in public, and especially frustrated that Portis would verbally attack him with the Redskins apparently close to making a long-anticipated announcement that former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has been hired as their next head coach. This is not the type of thing Snyder, General Manager Bruce Allen and Shanahan need to be confronted with at a time like this, but Portis left him no choice, Campbell said.
"You've got guys out there working their butts off, guys out there practicing and doing everything they need to do to prepare for Sundays, and you see him over there getting special treatment," Campbell said of Portis. "What does that say about him? I go out, I get beat down on Sundays, and I still have to go out and practice and get ready for games. And that's what your supposed to do.
"If you're about your team and trying to help your team, if you're not about yourself, you deal with the pain and that's what you do. What makes it so different for others? I mean, this is what's wrong with our team. Instead of a guy coming to you if he has a problem, instead of going to talk to the person, you go speak out loud in public. How does that help? How does that help the team?"
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:34 pm
by frankcal20
sorry for the double post but just easier this way:
This is what a lot of you wanted. In my opinion, he just verbally slapped him around. What can Portis say now? Nuh uhhhhhh
This has been rumored that he didn't practice or wasn't even at the facility. We all know about his lack of effort in Training Camp and he doesn't even do OTA's.
I think he just showed & said why he's a leader.