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TOP 5 PICKS
1. RAMS - jimmy Clauson
2. DETROIT - Russell Okung
3. TAMPA BAY- Ndamukong Suh
4. Redskins - Eric Berry? (our secondary is getting smashed by big plays and in the nfc east all the teams pass more than run)
Carlos Rogers may not be resigned after this season
5. Cheifs - gerald mccoy


First resign Campbell and try to trade portis for a 3rd or if we are lucky a 2nd
I would go Offensive line but with picks this high you can not pass up on these high profile players and i dont know about albert haynesworth contract if you can trade him do it. The bucs wanted haynesworth so we could try to get there pick and get ndamukong suh.

We have great depth in almost all postions except for the offensive line and secondary. (do you really trust justin tryon and kevin barnes against desean jackson, jeremy maclin, jason avant, miles austin, roy williams, patrick crayton, mario manningham, steve smith, hakeem nicks?)

The 2nd round and 3rd must be offensive line and maybe later in the rounds more linemen.

If russell okung is there than by all means take him if not then dont just take a lineman because of what we went threw we still have other things to address now.

Albert haynesworth missed 4 games or 5 if im not mistaken and injury prone guy who is getting older does not help this team trade him if you can for a first round pick.

We dont need amazing lineman to block we can deal with decent linemen who can hold a block for at least 3 seconds campbell may hit 4000 yards next season if we draft properly and hopfully in free agency we can add depth but hopefully mr.snyder wont throw over 30 million for one player.

Any thoughts?

Lol sorry was thinking of sammy baugh

Haynesworth can not be traded b/c of the guaranteed money. All would become due at the point of the trade. Snyder blew it on that one.

As for drafting a safety in the first - better not happen. You've got to take care of the offensive line. If Eric Berry is available, then you trade down b/c there will be people there to move up for him. He is a stud and I'm not too sure that TB will let him get past their pick.

Okay but i know o line is top priority and with a top 5 pick you cant just go waste it you gotta pick someone who is worth a top 5 and a guarantee. There are plenty of linemen in the draft and free agency

all i see it as is that you have a shot at a potential hall of famer over a good lineman. take the hall of famer. lineman are like runningbacks there everywhere.

We have too many offensive woes to draft a safety top 5. Yes, it's a high profile pic, but JC was the 4th highest sacked QB this year; if we are to succeed, that's gotta change with a quickness.

And we don't have a 3rd rnd pick currently, that went for Jarmon in the supplemental draft last year.

The Jarmon pick was a good one. He's shown that he's pretty good, early. So I'm cool with that pick.

frankcal20 wrote:The Jarmon pick was a good one. He's shown that he's pretty good, early. So I'm cool with that pick.

I concur, frank. Until he blew his knee out, I was likin him.

frankcal20 wrote:The Jarmon pick was a good one. He's shown that he's pretty good, early. So I'm cool with that pick.

He's got potential and so in that sense it was a good pick. However, was it necessary? We already have a lot of defensive linemen so I'm not sure how smart that decision actually was.

Liked the Jarmon pick he certainly would have been a lot higher than that, BUT a luxury we did not have - fortunately that type of BS is over around here as of the Allen hire

CanesSkins26 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:The Jarmon pick was a good one. He's shown that he's pretty good, early. So I'm cool with that pick.

He's got potential and so in that sense it was a good pick. However, was it necessary? We already have a lot of defensive linemen so I'm not sure how smart that decision actually was.

It was smart from the standpoint in that our DEs are set for the next few years. Assuming, of course, that we actually play Orakpo at DE at some point.

PulpExposure wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:The Jarmon pick was a good one. He's shown that he's pretty good, early. So I'm cool with that pick.

He's got potential and so in that sense it was a good pick. However, was it necessary? We already have a lot of defensive linemen so I'm not sure how smart that decision actually was.

It was smart from the standpoint in that our DEs are set for the next few years. Assuming, of course, that we actually play Orakpo at DE at some point.

True. I'm just not sure that that was worth using a potential oline pick for. I bet that Allen would love to have that pick for this upcoming draft.

Good to see Eric Berry gettin some love. I'd love to see EB in DC, it would finally fill the void left by 21.

Nobody is going to give a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Portis bro. He is coming back in shape...Carlos Rogers if he is smart...he will want to stay nobody is going to pay him top dollars...

I stopped reading after I saw SAMMY Clausen as the #1 pick.

I saw that too but since he was a newbie, I didn't want to call him out so quickly.

Berry will and should not be wearing burgundy and gold next season.

Seriously, the only logical move in the draft is to go Oline unless there are vet's brought in that I don't know about that are going to be available before the draft, but I don't see that happening.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Good to see Eric Berry gettin some love. I'd love to see EB in DC, it would finally fill the void left by 21.

I am skeptical to even think that we'll see another FS in the caliber of ST. And to claim that from a guy who hasn't played a snap in the NFL yet?

This what I would do if I were Bruce Allen
First I would assess our needs

Offensive Linemen: Three to five players. A starting competent left tackle , a starting left guard-move Dockery to right guard , good back ups
Quarterback: A young franchise QB, a serviceable opening day starter/backup
Running back: A compliment and eventual successor to Clinton Portis
Defensive backs: A safety with coverage skills Laron Landry is a linebacker playing safety, cornerback depth -need a cover corner Fred Smooth is done.
Defensive line: A starter opposite Andre Carter (That is if you don’t make Orakpo a DE)

Then I would keep these guys on the roster

QB: Colt Brennan
RB/FB: Clinton Portis , Roc Cartwright , Ladell Betts, Mike Sellers
WR: Santana Moss, Antwan Randal-El , Devin Thomas , Malcolm Kelly, Marko Mitchell
TE: Fred Davis , Chris ey, Todd Yoder
OL: Derrick Dockery , Stephen Heyer, Casey Raubach , Levi Jones, Will Montgomery
DL: Albert Haynesworth , Cornelius Griffin , Andre Carter, Rob Jackson , Lorenzo Alexander, Kedric Gholston, Anthony Montgomery , Jeremy Jarmon
LB: London Fletcher, Brian Orakpo , Rocky McIntosh , Robert Henson , H.B. Blades , Chris Wilson, Alvin Bowen
S: Laron Landry , Chris Horton , Kareem Moore
CB: DeAngelo Hall, Carlos Rogers , Justin Tryon , Byron Westbrook , Kevin Barnes

Then I would go out and ge these guys in Free Agency and in the draft
Logan Mankins OG: Mankins has said he wants to remain with the Patriots but they have other priorities and have already protected themselves by drafting a couple of guys to replace him plus money talks in the NFL and like anyone he wants to get paid. Mankins turns 28 this fall and could be a stalwart on the line for a 5to 6 years in DC.


Marcus McNeill OT: McNeill would be a great fit for the skins he is that hulking left tackle they need and he turns 26 this year so he is young that’s a good 6 to 7 years of service left in the NFL , plus he has had success protecting Phillip Rivers Blindside for a while now, he has good feet and employs great technique. The Chargers may put up a fight for him but Danny Snyder should be able to take out the check book and guarantee that McNeill is wearing the Burgundy and Gold next season.

Nick Cole OG/C: Cole would fulfill two roles ,first the Redskins would add depth to the line with a player who can play three positions and second they would steal him from the Philadelphia Eagles a division rival . A young (26 this fall) good talent who could compete and win the starting center job from Raubach .

Ray Edwards DE : Edwards is a young (25 this fall) speed rusher perfect for the 4-3 that DC employs and with Andre Carter , Cornelius Griffin and Albert Haynesworth he would have similar success to the one he has currently in Minnesota with the Williams brothers and Jared Allen. Snyder will have to overpay to get him but when has he not overpaid for talent.

Nick Collins FS: Another relatively young (27 this fall) safety with great coverage skills. Talented and was named to the probowl as a reserve this year , but would he sign with DC ( If Snyder is willing to pay he can get him), the Packers would fight to keep him but Green bay doesn’t have the resources that the skins have and that gives them the advantage.

Jason Campbell QB: There is nothing worth signing out there in free agency Shanahan , Allen and Snyder would be best served to resign Campbell to a one or two year deal and have him compete for the job with the rookie they bring in . Campbell is a competent veteran who has been abused by the redskins but it is a marriage of necessity as a lot of teams unless they are desperate would pass on Campbell because of his slow release and the beating he has taken over the years. The skins need Campbell because they don’t want to throw a rookie into the fire especially in the NFC East where every team they face have pass rush specialists. Campbell would be a guy to start the season and when they are out of it say week 12 to 14 you put in the young guy and prepare him for next season. Campbell needs the skins because he would not get a great deal anywhere else except maybe in San Francisco or St Louis but those are not ideal situations (neither is DC) but at least he would be familiar with the receiving corps, yes it is another offense for the poor guy to learn but he can do it he has done it before.
Sam Bradford QB , Oklahoma: Some say Bradford is too frail , has shoulder problems and played in the shot gun too much in college to be a franchise QB , however if he is healthy he is a top ten pick, he’s that talented and almost every QB in college plays in the shotgun it is the way the game has evolved and he did play in a prostyle offense his first year as a starter. He has said that he doesn’t want to play for the skins. However this is his dream to play in the NFL and on draft day his tune will change plus he gets to develop under the tandem of Kyle and Mike Shanahan , who have worked with the likes of John Elway and Steve Young and developed young QBs like Jay Cutler and Matt Schaub. The skins can sign him and if he gets to camp early he can compete for the starting job another incentive. This is really a done deal if not Bradford who Mike Shanahan likes then it’s another young QB , new regimes mean a new QB. DC fans understand that even though it would be nice to draft a lineman or Eric Berry in the first round , in the NFL to win you need a premier QB. Look at this year’s playoff teams : Green bay :Rodgers , Arizona: Warner, Dallas : Romo , Philadelphia : McNabb , Minnesota : Favre , New Orleans : Brees, New England: Brady, Indianapolis : Manning , San Diego: Rivers , Cincinnati : Palmer , Baltimore: Flacco, New York Jets : Sanchez. Except for Romo , Brees , Favre , Warner and Brady they are all first round picks so yes there are busts at the QB position in the first round but there are also successes ( jury still out on Flacco and Sanchez) . I believe that Bradford can be a success he has a number of the tools and with the right coaching the sky is the limit for this kid.

Trevard Lindley DB, Kentucky : Lindley is a very good cover corner and the best in the nation coming out of college , he is a little small weight wise but he is just north of 6ft and has good ball skills and plays great press coverage and can tackle (something DC corners seem unable to do) , he is not the fastest corner in the world but he has adequate speed around the 4.4 to 4.5 area in the forty. He is durable and has a lot of upside , potential to be a number one corner and he is a great leader. Projected in the early second round for now but that might change.

Jason Fox OT , Miami : Jason Fox is a solid tackle from the University of Miami and would be a good fourth round pick for the skins , he needs some work as he is a little raw but he is very talented and with some coaching could become a star. He had surgery in the off-season but could rise in the draft all the way to a second or third round pick.

Demarco Murray RB Oklahoma: Murray has great speed and the ability to be a change of pace back and a compliment to Clinton Portis , reminds me of Reggie Bush and fellow college player Joe McKnight , The skins already have Ladell Betts who is similar to Portis and though they had Marcus Mason on the roster for a while I believe Murray would be a more talented version. He is projecting as a early fifth round pick right now and would be a steal for the Redskins there.


Ed Wang OT/OG Virginia Tech : Wang is a decent prospect but he has a number of flaws. Many project him as a sixth round pick , but I see him as an
early seventh round guy. First he gets too many false starts , technique is poor and he can be beat off the line but he has great natural ability , he can be fixed and he would be a serviceable fill in starter and back up at the next level .

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:This what I would do if I were Bruce Allen
First I would assess our needs

Offensive Linemen: Three to five players. A starting competent left tackle , a starting left guard-move Dockery to right guard , good back ups

I agree with everything except moving Dock. He's been there his whole Redskins career (Don't know about his Bills stint). He's only 30 next year and we need a RG NOW. We can address his replacement in the future.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:Quarterback: A young franchise QB, a serviceable opening day starter/backup
Running back: A compliment and eventual successor to Clinton Portis
Defensive backs: A safety with coverage skills Laron Landry is a linebacker playing safety, cornerback depth -need a cover corner Fred Smooth is done.

I agree Landry is no free safety, but he's good on the line and should be SS. He's great on the line, but not big enough to play NFL LB.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:Defensive line: A starter opposite Andre Carter (That is if you don’t make Orakpo a DE)

We have Jarmon as well who will be back next year. I think that currently, we have our starting DT and rotation addressed. DT is a larger need IMO than DE.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:Then I would keep these guys on the roster

QB: Colt Brennan
RB/FB: Clinton Portis , Roc Cartwright , Ladell Betts, Mike Sellers

Keep in mind that there's a great chance that Betts won't be ready. I'd possibly keep Ganther over Rock and/or Betts due to age.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:WR: Santana Moss, Antwan Randal-El , Devin Thomas , Malcolm Kelly, Marko Mitchell
TE: Fred Davis , Chris ey, Todd Yoder

I agree, but would still consider offloading El. He's no Special Teamer for us and the least valuable.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:OL: Derrick Dockery , Stephen Heyer, Casey Raubach , Levi Jones, Will Montgomery

I would ditch Heyer. I don't even think he's a valuable backup.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:DL: Albert Haynesworth , Cornelius Griffin , Andre Carter, Rob Jackson , Lorenzo Alexander, Kedric Gholston, Anthony Montgomery , Jeremy Jarmon

Grif is on borrowed time. I don't see him as productive much longer. We need another dominant DT.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:LB: London Fletcher, Brian Orakpo , Rocky McIntosh , Robert Henson , H.B. Blades , Chris Wilson, Alvin Bowen

Bowen and Henson are fluff atm...we haven't seen anything from them.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:S: Laron Landry , Chris Horton , Kareem Moore

concur

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:CB: DeAngelo Hall, Carlos Rogers , Justin Tryon , Byron Westbrook , Kevin Barnes

I would keep Smoot due to versatility at CB/S

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:Then I would go out and ge these guys in Free Agency and in the draft
Logan Mankins OG: Mankins has said he wants to remain with the Patriots but they have other priorities and have already protected themselves by drafting a couple of guys to replace him plus money talks in the NFL and like anyone he wants to get paid. Mankins turns 28 this fall and could be a stalwart on the line for a 5to 6 years in DC.


Marcus McNeill OT: McNeill would be a great fit for the skins he is that hulking left tackle they need and he turns 26 this year so he is young that’s a good 6 to 7 years of service left in the NFL , plus he has had success protecting Phillip Rivers Blindside for a while now, he has good feet and employs great technique. The Chargers may put up a fight for him but Danny Snyder should be able to take out the check book and guarantee that McNeill is wearing the Burgundy and Gold next season.

Nick Cole OG/C: Cole would fulfill two roles ,first the Redskins would add depth to the line with a player who can play three positions and second they would steal him from the Philadelphia Eagles a division rival . A young (26 this fall) good talent who could compete and win the starting center job from Raubach .

I don't have an opinion of these guys..I'll admit that I'm a little weak on lineman on other teams.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:Ray Edwards DE : Edwards is a young (25 this fall) speed rusher perfect for the 4-3 that DC employs and with Andre Carter , Cornelius Griffin and Albert Haynesworth he would have similar success to the one he has currently in Minnesota with the Williams brothers and Jared Allen. Snyder will have to overpay to get him but when has he not overpaid for talent.

I don't think that we need to address any more on DE. I have every faith that when Daniels retires, Orakpo is a full time DE.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:Nick Collins FS: Another relatively young (27 this fall) safety with great coverage skills. Talented and was named to the probowl as a reserve this year , but would he sign with DC ( If Snyder is willing to pay he can get him), the Packers would fight to keep him but Green bay doesn’t have the resources that the skins have and that gives them the advantage.

There's no way that GB gives up Nick Collins, but I like it!

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:Jason Campbell QB: There is nothing worth signing out there in free agency Shanahan , Allen and Snyder would be best served to resign Campbell to a one or two year deal and have him compete for the job with the rookie they bring in . Campbell is a competent veteran who has been abused by the redskins but it is a marriage of necessity as a lot of teams unless they are desperate would pass on Campbell because of his slow release and the beating he has taken over the years. The skins need Campbell because they don’t want to throw a rookie into the fire especially in the NFC East where every team they face have pass rush specialists. Campbell would be a guy to start the season and when they are out of it say week 12 to 14 you put in the young guy and prepare him for next season. Campbell needs the skins because he would not get a great deal anywhere else except maybe in San Francisco or St Louis but those are not ideal situations (neither is DC) but at least he would be familiar with the receiving corps, yes it is another offense for the poor guy to learn but he can do it he has done it before.

I agree that he's the best FA slated to be available. He needs to at least be given a chance to compete. He may not be great, but he may be the best available.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:Sam Bradford QB , Oklahoma: Some say Bradford is too frail , has shoulder problems and played in the shot gun too much in college to be a franchise QB , however if he is healthy he is a top ten pick, he’s that talented and almost every QB in college plays in the shotgun it is the way the game has evolved and he did play in a prostyle offense his first year as a starter. He has said that he doesn’t want to play for the skins. However this is his dream to play in the NFL and on draft day his tune will change plus he gets to develop under the tandem of Kyle and Mike Shanahan , who have worked with the likes of John Elway and Steve Young and developed young QBs like Jay Cutler and Matt Schaub. The skins can sign him and if he gets to camp early he can compete for the starting job another incentive. This is really a done deal if not Bradford who Mike Shanahan likes then it’s another young QB , new regimes mean a new QB. DC fans understand that even though it would be nice to draft a lineman or Eric Berry in the first round , in the NFL to win you need a premier QB. Look at this year’s playoff teams : Green bay :Rodgers , Arizona: Warner, Dallas : Romo , Philadelphia : McNabb , Minnesota : Favre , New Orleans : Brees, New England: Brady, Indianapolis : Manning , San Diego: Rivers , Cincinnati : Palmer , Baltimore: Flacco, New York Jets : Sanchez. Except for Romo , Brees , Favre , Warner and Brady they are all first round picks so yes there are busts at the QB position in the first round but there are also successes ( jury still out on Flacco and Sanchez) . I believe that Bradford can be a success he has a number of the tools and with the right coaching the sky is the limit for this kid.

I don't know if we do a QB this year in the draft. I agree with a common theory that if you draft a QB and throw him to the wolves, he's going to be ruined.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:Trevard Lindley DB, Kentucky : Lindley is a very good cover corner and the best in the nation coming out of college , he is a little small weight wise but he is just north of 6ft and has good ball skills and plays great press coverage and can tackle (something DC corners seem unable to do) , he is not the fastest corner in the world but he has adequate speed around the 4.4 to 4.5 area in the forty. He is durable and has a lot of upside , potential to be a number one corner and he is a great leader. Projected in the early second round for now but that might change.

Jason Fox OT , Miami : Jason Fox is a solid tackle from the University of Miami and would be a good fourth round pick for the skins , he needs some work as he is a little raw but he is very talented and with some coaching could become a star. He had surgery in the off-season but could rise in the draft all the way to a second or third round pick.

Demarco Murray RB Oklahoma: Murray has great speed and the ability to be a change of pace back and a compliment to Clinton Portis , reminds me of Reggie Bush and fellow college player Joe McKnight , The skins already have Ladell Betts who is similar to Portis and though they had Marcus Mason on the roster for a while I believe Murray would be a more talented version. He is projecting as a early fifth round pick right now and would be a steal for the Redskins there.


Ed Wang OT/OG Virginia Tech : Wang is a decent prospect but he has a number of flaws. Many project him as a sixth round pick , but I see him as an early seventh round guy. First he gets too many false starts , technique is poor and he can be beat off the line but he has great natural ability , he can be fixed and he would be a serviceable fill in starter and back up at the next level .

Don't know much about the college scene to have an opinion.

All in all, you have a great plan, man. You've addressed all the major needs with critical thought. Welcome to the site; we need more intelligent, critical thought here!

All in all, you have a great plan, man. You've addressed all the major needs with critical thought. Welcome to the site; we need more intelligent, critical thought here!


Thanks I just want to see this proud franchise return to the glory it deserves

Hail to the Redskins

I am definetly interested in getting an effective offensive line - we play in the NFC East and you must have a good to really good offensive line - this is not happening in 1 year - by the time we have a really good offensive line we should already have the future great QB here

we are presently picking in the #4 position and I do not think this franchise will be picking that high for a while

I do not agree that Sam Bradford is frail OR that Shanahan will "throw him to the wolves" - this is a 6'3"+ 225lb+ QB
let's be real here - I don't think that IF Shanahan decides he's worth the 4th pick that this means he will most likely be ruined and has no chance to be an effective QB - IF Shanahan thinks that Bradford can be a great QB here for 10-12 years then they will ensure that that happens

we are going to need a while to get that really good offensive line ready to play and we will have the future great QB already here and groomed for success

like I said, I am really interested in getting a good to great offensive line but IF Bradford is going to be a great QB we have to take him

btw - NEWSKINSFAN119 - great post well thought out

SkinsJock wrote:btw - NEWSKINSFAN119 - great post well thought out

What he said and welcome to the boards

1niksder wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:btw - NEWSKINSFAN119 - great post well thought out

What he said and welcome to the boards

and welcome back to the 1niksder - sorry it took a while to say that

I also agree with a lot, but the tackles u mentioned along with the gurads are most likely to get re-signed by heir teams. Most teams resigned their own players if they are that good.

It's always fun in the offseason. It's like having a gift card at home depot on a sale weekend. I feel like Homer Simpson saying in my mind "ohhhh what do I want to get???"

you're right Frank - and the better part is that for the past decade this franchise has been the clear winner of all off-season awards
Now the off-season months are February thru mid September - this means that as Redskins fans we are able to enjoy top of the NFL status for a little over 7 months

I wonder if Shanahan & Allen will be able to continue that trend - if they don't do too well you just know that Snyder will do something about it