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You can read into this however you want but bottom line is we don't even have Shannahan yet. Just thought I'd share the link.

I suppose I will start. This move would be a huge mistake, If anything I would like to draft Pike if we just HAVE to take a QB. Im not opposed with a QB in the first round as long as almost every round after we address the o-line and spots on D.

Bradford is the next Chad Pennington in my opinion.

I don't pretend to know much about which college QB's make good pro's but I don't think I like this idea.

ATX_Skins wrote:I suppose I will start. This move would be a huge mistake, If anything I would like to draft Pike if we just HAVE to take a QB. Im not opposed with a QB in the first round as long as almost every round after we address the o-line and spots on D.

so let me understand this - IF Shanahan is the HC and if he and the rest of the new FO group decide that Bradford is going to be the best pick of the draft for this franchise, in your opinion that "would be a huge mistake" - I think I'd trust the guys in charge to know a little more and in my opinion they are going to be incredibly aware of how important the offensive line and other issues with this franchise are to their future

sorry, but if the new guys in the FO want to keep running things here and keeping Snyder away from meddling with this franchise again they will not be making any bad choices with that first pick and they get my vote no matter who they pick

What do I know. I don't know what they are looking for. Some of us think we know, but we don't know.

As stated in this article, he's not going to be ready to play next year so using a first round pick on a QB who isn't going to play isn't a luxury we can afford. I think we are positioning for other players.

SkinsJock wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:I suppose I will start. This move would be a huge mistake, If anything I would like to draft Pike if we just HAVE to take a QB. Im not opposed with a QB in the first round as long as almost every round after we address the o-line and spots on D.

so let me understand this - IF Shanahan is the HC and if he and the rest of the new FO group decide that Bradford is going to be the best pick of the draft for this franchise, in your opinion that "would be a huge mistake" - I think I'd trust the guys in charge to know a little more and in my opinion they are going to be incredibly aware of how important the offensive line and other issues with this franchise are to their future

sorry, but if the new guys in the FO want to keep running things here and keeping Snyder away from meddling with this franchise again they will not be making any bad choices with that first pick and they get my vote no matter who they pick

You understand well. I think Pike makes a better pro QB. We go through coaches like a confused high school slut. What makes you think Shanahan will be here in 4-5 years, thats why I think Pike is the better choice. Plain and simple.

The Redskins could draft Peyton Manning Jr. in April. Its pointless if they don't get some quality players on the offensive line.

All I know about Sam Bradford is that he's a junior who played like two games this season, Mel Kiper likes him, and he's been hurt twice badly this year. Anybody really prepared to throw your first round pick at that?

As much as Vinny sucked, at least Orakpo was a solid and safe pick. We really can't afford any busts.

That's my point with the draft. You've got to take someone who #1 fills a need and #2 is a lock to be a starter day 1.

I don't think you have to get a franchise QB if he's available. Because every year there is speculation that the QB's are franchise guys but it's usually the other way around - flukes or just plain serviceable.

Clausen is the only QB I would draft in the top 5. If he's not there get Okung or Berry. If they're both off the board, trade down and get more picks....this is a deep draft.

In order to believe the article, you must also believe that Shanahan has been running this team since February of '09.

Whatever.

frankcal20 wrote:That's my point with the draft. You've got to take someone who #1 fills a need and #2 is a lock to be a starter day 1.

I don't think you have to get a franchise QB if he's available. Because every year there is speculation that the QB's are franchise guys but it's usually the other way around - flukes or just plain serviceable.

Totally agree. I think if we were in a little better position you could roll the dice and go for a franchise QB. But personally I'd rather get some help on the o-line if possible and go with Campbell or a half decent free agent guy for a year.

It would just suck to spend a high pick on the next big franchise QB and bring home Jamarcus Russell.

I kind of agree about Jimmy Clausen though. The thing I like about him is that he's been pretty good without being on an especially great team. That's the kind of guy we need for sure.

I'm not worried about who these guys pick - in many cases the reason a player does not live up to expectations can be explained by how the player was prepared and coached - I have faith that the FO is going to have a plan and will be able to bring in both free agents and draft picks to give the coaching staff the players they need to get the job done

like I said - IF that player is a QB or a kicker, I could care less - most here are not going to like who we pick up as a free agent or as a draft pick based on what has happened in the past, both here and with other teams - I'm looking for these guys to change the way that things have been done here in the past and turn this franchise around and get it done NOW

this is a great opportunity for Snyder to look like a genius if he brings in a great FO staff who make the correct choices for HC and the assistants - we will then have a great situation of NFL guys making decisions and supported by a wealthy owner with an uncapped year in front of us - this is all good in my book

Countertrey wrote:In order to believe the article, you must also believe that Shanahan has been running this team since February of '09.

Whatever.

Who knows if it's true but that article isnt the only one saying that. Chris Mortensen has said that Shanahan has been involved in some capacity for months on 980 a few days ago they reported that Shanahan is already working on putting his staff in place.

You've got to take someone who #1 fills a need and #2 is a lock to be a starter day 1.

Why?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:In order to believe the article, you must also believe that Shanahan has been running this team since February of '09.

Whatever.

Who knows if it's true but that article isnt the only one saying that. Chris Mortensen has said that Shanahan has been involved in some capacity for months on 980 a few days ago they reported that Shanahan is already working on putting his staff in place.

And Chris Mortensen probably also thinks that the moon landings were staged.

I won't be surprized to find that there is already a deal in place... but that's a far cry from dictating player moves in February of '09...

Maybe Shanny was consulted regarding Cutler ... and that consultation just extended and developed?

Can you not see that as a possibility? We had a bingo caller brought in to call plays ... after that, ANYTHING is possible.

Personally, I'm a bit biased ... and would prefer the Redskins to pick McCoy. The kid is a winner ... he's extremely accurate ... durable .. and very mobile.

This idea that he's two small at 6' 3" is nonsense IMHO. And though he doesn't possess a rocket arm, I'll take accuracy and intelligence over raw strength any day.

Some say he might slip to the late 1st round or even 2nd, and the Skins could swing a deal with their high pick and get two later picks in the 1st round.

I'm far from knowledgeable in the college ranks, but living in Austin, you can't help but see a lot of Longhorn football.

The thing that most impresses me about him is that he had some big shoes to fill here, following Vince Young, and he's done a great job.

He's a smart kid, with some leadership skills, and it ain't easy to be a starter in Austin as a freshman, much less do as well as he did. He had a drop off the following year, but bounced back strong. Of course, his stock could skyrocket or drop like a led balloon depending on what he does against Alabama ... NFL pundits have short memories and are rather fickle.

I don't think he's near a rookie starter, but with a Shannahan type of WC offense installed, he could develop quickly because of his intelligence and accuracy .. the two most important qualities for a WC QB. And with his mobility, he could be an asset as the Redskins retool the 0-line.

He may not be viewed as the prototypical ideal NFL QB, but I think he's got a lot of potential that is being overlooked by the never wrong experts.

One thing for sure, we'll know if Snyder is still involved with things here we'll know because if we pick Bradford it will be Snyder's choice

SkinsJock wrote:One thing for sure, we'll know if Snyder is still involved with things here we'll know because if we pick Bradford it will be Snyder's choice

How do we know that? I mean, is it absolutely inconceivable to think that Shanahan will want to pick his own QB to groom?

I think it stands to reason that Shanahan be given the opportunity to groom a star rookie QB.

With the sickening offensive line, I don't even think Shanahan will pick a QB with our 4th overall pick unless he's already got things lined up with big Danny moneybags to buy an offensive line.

VetSkinsFan wrote:With the sickening offensive line, I don't even think Shanahan will pick a QB with our 4th overall pick unless he's already got things lined up with big Danny moneybags to buy an offensive line.

B-I-N-G-O ! I agree completely, they will buy a new offensive line and maybe later on grab a QB.. muuuuch later. Most likely I'm thinking they'll keep JC & CB at least for one more year. Hey, at least we know JC can take hits behind garbage O-Lines.

I agree Vet - I think we are better off re-building this franchise and trying to get as many quality young players in here as quickly as possible - that, coupled with some free agents would give us a better chance IMO to become a team again

Bradford or one of the other 'can't miss', 'flashy', QBs is just another Snyder type move to bring in the glitz at the expense of building a team - I would love to have a Peyton Manning but I think we're better off concentrating on building a team than hoping to get a future HOF QB - whose to say we couldn't find that HOF QB and still build our offensive line

It looks very much like Shanahan is coming in here and I think he aught to evaluate Campbell and see if he can be comfortable with him for a year, maybe bring in a free agent - we need to find a way to get an offense that can score some points here - just adding a QB is limiting the chances to me

I'm just hoping that Snyder brought in Allen and (it looks like he was also planning on) Shanahan to manage this team - I understand that Snyder will have some involvement but I certainly hope that is minimal if at all

Snyder has tried to "buy" success and he has indicated recently that he knows that will not work - we need him to step aside and let these guys manage this team



let it go Snyder - you cannot make things better here - you are a disaster looking for a place to happen