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Haynesworth Questions How He Is Being Used
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:44 am
by CanesSkins26
Albert Haynesworth, the All-Pro defensive tackle who left Tennessee for a seven-year, $100 million contract with Washington during the first hours of free agency on Feb. 27, took shots at coach Jim Zorn and defensive coordinator Greg Blache after the Redskins were pummeled 45-12 by the Giants last night.
First, Haynesworth questioned the 4-10 Redskins’ sense of direction, a knock at Zorn, who’s expected to be fired after the final two games of the season if not beforehand.
“I don’t think this team is that bad,” Haynesworth said. “Players ain’t that bad. The score, the record say that we’re horrible, but I’ve been around these guys a lot. I think they know how to play football. I just think we’re all going in different directions and we need somebody to lead us in the right direction. You can take that however you want to.”
So when should owner Dan Snyder and newly-minted general manager Bruce Allen start making those changes, Albert?
“I don’t know about this week, but I’m sure there’ll be changes in the future,” Haynesworth said. “I don’t want to say anything too negative. I’m not looking to cause any more trouble or stir up any more mess than what there already is. I like the guys and Dan’s been great. I know this is a great organization and we can bounce back.”
Notice that Haynesworth didn’t say anything about the coaches being great.
Then, No. 92, who had missed three of the past four games with a sprained ankle, criticized the way he has been used.
“It’s very frustrating coming from Tennessee, going 10-0 … [where] I kinda had the freedom to rush and get upfield and to pressure the quarterback,” Haynesworth said. “It’s totally different than what I thought here. If they’d let us loose, it’d be a whole lot better. [At Tennessee] I just rushed and they let me go and we won a bunch of games and we was up there in the top two or three on defense and sacks. [Titans defensive coordinator Jim] Schwartz got a head coaching job from it. Maybe we need to try that here.”
http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/dec/22/haynesworth-rips-coaches/
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:46 am
by frankcal20
I can't stand this guy. I question how HE plays on the field. He plays and then runs off or get's carted off w/ oxygen. Then he's back. What am I missing?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:48 am
by CanesSkins26
frankcal20 wrote:I can't stand this guy. I question how HE plays on the field. He plays and then runs off or get's carted off w/ oxygen. Then he's back. What am I missing?
I see what you are saying. However, this is becoming a recurring problem with Blache as DC. The guy just seems unwilling to change his defense to better fit his players. We saw it with Jason Taylor and now we are seeing it with Haynesworth.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:49 am
by Champsturf
Good coaching?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:50 am
by CanesSkins26
Champsturf wrote:Good coaching?
Too much to expect from this stuff. Fire ALL OF THEM. Every single coach, with possibly the exception of Palermo, should be shown the door.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:51 am
by so.il.SKINSFAN
Everything he said is true, except he should've continued on with how they're using Orakpo & Landry also.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:53 am
by frankcal20
I have a good idea. Don't ask the coaches to change their offense/defense. Bring in players that fit their system. Especially one's that cost $100m.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:19 am
by CanesSkins26
frankcal20 wrote:I have a good idea. Don't ask the coaches to change their offense/defense. Bring in players that fit their system. Especially one's that cost $100m.
A good coach should be able to adapt his system to fit the abilities/strengths of his players.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:49 am
by Chris Luva Luva
CanesSkins26 wrote:frankcal20 wrote:I have a good idea. Don't ask the coaches to change their offense/defense. Bring in players that fit their system. Especially one's that cost $100m.
A good coach should be able to adapt his system to fit the abilities/strengths of his players.
Pretty much...
frankcal20 wrote:I can't stand this guy. I question how HE plays on the field. He plays and then runs off or get's carted off w/ oxygen. Then he's back. What am I missing?
Yeah, I can't stand a guy who has single handedly caused our sack total to darn near double...
It's totally easy to take on triple teams on every single play and not get exhausted from that...
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:38 am
by RedskinTexan
It's pathetic to see him winded five plays into the game in the 14th contest of the season.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:52 am
by Chris Luva Luva
These are the same overreactions that people had with Devon, Davis and Kelly. The guys aren't being used right, they deal with more than you think. A lot of us have been clamoring for the past year that those guys were good but weren't getting a fair shake.
People just to FLOP when they come here, they were studs and college and HAYNESWORTH was/is the best DT in the NFL. That doesn't change over night and it's not the money so don't even go there.
SMH
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:31 am
by SkinsJock
I agree with Chris and Canes -
the problem is not the players - the problem starts with the guys that brought the coaches and players here
we have not done well at all and it really comes down to the basics -
we dont have a plan - nothing really has a chance of being very effective because coaches and players have been thrown together without any thought to whether they made the other players better or if they suit what the coaches have in mind - not that the coaches are that great to begin with
what we saw was an embarrassment but it would seem that Snyder has already begun the process of clearing house - this is really bad
that my friends was a good indication of what happens when people that do not know what they are doing try to put a product on the field
there might be some players that will be given their walking papers too but the biggest problem here is at the top and with the coaches
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:38 am
by VetSkinsFan
frankcal20 wrote:I have a good idea. Don't ask the coaches to change their offense/defense. Bring in players that fit their system. Especially one's that cost $100m.
Hmmm...what would have happened if we didn't cater to ST (R.I.P) and adapt the defense around him? When you get elite players, you adapt to best use their strengths. You don't sell the rest of your team short, but you cannot be static in the NFL, or you get beat badly. PERIOD.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:05 am
by SKINFAN
I agree with Fat Al on this one. We have good players, not used the right way. Given the opportunity, they will produce. If we just needed a guy to stop gaps, we should've just kept Salave`a. We had Jason Taylor, and we used him on the wrong side so he left. We have a rook stud DE and we use him as a LB, we have a SS we use as FS, the list go on and on.
As far as the big guy taking plays off and getting masked after a few plays, c'mon, give him a break. If he was let loose and let him do his thing, there will be incentive for him to gut it out and stay in. Right now all he does is stop gaps, and follow a prescribed play, heck, I would want to get rest too and say hi to my 40M guaranteed in the sideline.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:32 pm
by Redskin in Canada
SKINFAN wrote:I agree with Fat Al on this one. We have good players, not used the right way. Given the opportunity, they will produce. If we just needed a guy to stop gaps, we should've just kept Salave`a. We had Jason Taylor, and we used him on the wrong side so he left. We have a rook stud DE and we use him as a LB, we have a SS we use as FS, the list go on and on.
As far as the big guy taking plays off and getting masked after a few plays, c'mon, give him a break. If he was let loose and let him do his thing, there will be incentive for him to gut it out and stay in. Right now all he does is stop gaps, and follow a prescribed play, heck, I would want to get rest too and say hi to my 40M guaranteed in the sideline.
I agree. Several players are not playing to their skills and or best positions. Orakpo, Landry, Haynesworth, ...
And we need to replace Griffin. It would be nice if he stays as a backup with a smaller salarary but we need another great player side-by-side with Albert.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:44 pm
by Irn-Bru
frankcal20 wrote:I can't stand this guy. I question how HE plays on the field. He plays and then runs off or get's carted off w/ oxygen. Then he's back. What am I missing?
I don't think you're missing anything; this is what the Redskins should have expected when signing him. A great player who will be a part of 50-75 percent of your team's season.
But I don't question how he plays when he's on the field. He's made a HUGE difference in our defensive line. I also think he is not as well utilized as he could be.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:54 pm
by frankcal20
I agree but my main thing is that he needs to be utilized in the weightroom on a bike burning some cardio and building up his stamina. That guy flops more than any player I've ever seen.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:28 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
Redskin in Canada wrote:I agree. Several players are not playing to their skills and or best positions. Orakpo, Landry, Haynesworth, ...
And we need to replace Griffin. It would be nice if he stays as a backup with a smaller salarary but we need another great player side-by-side with Albert.
Orakpo has 11 sacks and you use him as an example he's NOT being used for his skills? What a bunch of incompetent boobs we are, wasting draft picks like that. Sure.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:29 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
frankcal20 wrote:I agree but my main thing is that he needs to be utilized in the weightroom on a bike burning some cardio and building up his stamina. That guy flops more than any player I've ever seen.
I totally agree, I have a hard time believing he really needs the constant attention he demands.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:20 pm
by VetSkinsFan
KazooSkinsFan wrote:frankcal20 wrote:I agree but my main thing is that he needs to be utilized in the weightroom on a bike burning some cardio and building up his stamina. That guy flops more than any player I've ever seen.
I totally agree, I have a hard time believing he really needs the constant attention he demands.
He's had an ankle issue for the past month. Have you ever been limited in cardio for an extended period of time, and then try to go the way he goes? You get gassed a lot quicker with a month of limited or no cardio.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:45 pm
by JCaptMorgan12
CanesSkins26 wrote:frankcal20 wrote:I have a good idea. Don't ask the coaches to change their offense/defense. Bring in players that fit their system. Especially one's that cost $100m.
A good coach should be able to adapt his system to fit the abilities/strengths of his players.
exactly, couldn't agree more... look at the changes the Titans made in the way they use Vince Young... a new OC came in, and made changes to better suit the style of play of VY, and utilize his strengths, and it has worked pretty good if you ask me... VY didn't change, the way the coaches used him changed...
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:56 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
VetSkinsFan wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:frankcal20 wrote:I agree but my main thing is that he needs to be utilized in the weightroom on a bike burning some cardio and building up his stamina. That guy flops more than any player I've ever seen.
I totally agree, I have a hard time believing he really needs the constant attention he demands.
He's had an ankle issue for the past month. Have you ever been limited in cardio for an extended period of time, and then try to go the way he goes? You get gassed a lot quicker with a month of limited or no cardio.
We'll have to see how he does in the future.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:44 pm
by Redskin in Canada
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Redskin in Canada wrote:I agree. Several players are not playing to their skills and or best positions. Orakpo, Landry, Haynesworth, ...
And we need to replace Griffin. It would be nice if he stays as a backup with a smaller salarary but we need another great player side-by-side with Albert.
Orakpo has 11 sacks and you use him as an example he's NOT being used for his skills? What a bunch of incompetent boobs we are, wasting draft picks like that. Sure.
I refer to the FACT that whenever he has been successful, he has been used as DE and not in pass coverage.
He is not a good pass coverage LB. He could have been far more effective rushing all the time than trying to become a LB player in coverage that he is not.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:09 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
Redskin in Canada wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:Redskin in Canada wrote:I agree. Several players are not playing to their skills and or best positions. Orakpo, Landry, Haynesworth, ...
And we need to replace Griffin. It would be nice if he stays as a backup with a smaller salarary but we need another great player side-by-side with Albert.
Orakpo has 11 sacks and you use him as an example he's NOT being used for his skills? What a bunch of incompetent boobs we are, wasting draft picks like that. Sure.
I refer to the FACT that whenever he has been successful, he has been used as DE and not in pass coverage.
He is not a good pass coverage LB. He could have been far more effective rushing all the time than trying to become a LB player in coverage that he is not.
I knew what you were referring to, I just don't buy it. He's having a great season, to use him as a vehicle to criticize our coaches is just plain silly. Sure, they try him in different ways, but obviously what they're doing with him is working.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:54 pm
by HEROHAMO
Haynesworth is our best player on defense. Heck he may be the best defensive player in the league.
Keep Haynesworth happy and support him.
Major reason why this defense has increased defensive sack totals. Haynesworth can do no wrong in my eyes.
This team is sucking bad. Haynesworth feels change is needed. He has passion and cannot except this failure. So I like the passion that he is showing. I am guessing he wants a new coordinator and defensive philosophy.