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While some posters are ready to chant Superbowl, others are "converting" back to Jason Campbell's believers, and yet others feel that we already have the foundation of an Offensive Line ...

... I hate to burst your bubble.

It is true, as most sensible posters in this board have maintained. that Jason Campbell is NOT a terrible QB. It is also true, as most sensible posters in this board have maintained, that he is not and will never be a franchise QB.

JC Campbell is a serviceable QB, which is not the main reason for the failures of our team. He has been both unfairly made to look as the world's worst or defended as the QB of the future. He is neither. Both extreme sets of views miss the point.

The OL is still a WORK IN PROGRESS at best. Some posters have began to argue that the foundations of a lasting OL are there. I disagree and I disagree particularly when it comes to measure it against DLs of other teams in the NFC East. This OL could barely slow down the Pukes rush and Philthy had a field day chasing Jason.

The new kicker impressed but ... quite frankly ... Suisham results have not been surpassed by the new guy. There is a lot to see before Gano gets anointed as better than Suisham.

I like the effort, I love the spirit shown over the last 3 or 4 games. But this conduct also seems to REMIND us about the chronic inconsistency of this team, which always seems to want to play up or down to the level of the competition. So if we play a tough opponent in the NFC East fine but if we play the Lions of the Rams ....

Some VERY GOOD pieces of the puzzle are in place BUT we have always had VERY GOOD pieces in this puzzle. The true point of improvement of this franchise is about fundamental change at the top and I hate to burst your happy bubble after such a definitive win, even if we remind ourselves that it was against one of the weakest and more dysfunctional franchises in the entire NFL, BUT unless a competent and empowered GM is appointed to run this franchise ...

... we will suffer the same ups and downs ending up in mediocre records at the end of the season.

So, nothing has changed. This is still the same team that can win a few and lose a few. Certainly Not a team with the brains, knowledge and experience at the top of the Front Office which can deliver a COMPLETE and CONSISTENT WINNING TEAM.

I am happy with this ONE win. I am happy with a few gutsy performances. But it is still a long way from being and calling ourselves WINNERS.

Caution my friends. No Superbowl chanting yet.

i regards to yesterdays game jason campbell was serviceable and the kickers gets to come back next week but i,m with with ya on all counts.

Redskin in Canada wrote:The true point of improvement of this franchise is about fundamental change at the top and I hate to burst your happy bubble after such a definitive win, even if we remind ourselves that it was against one of the weakest and more dysfunctional franchises in the entire NFL, BUT unless a competent and empowered GM is appointed to run this franchise ...

... we will suffer the same ups and downs ending up in mediocre records at the end of the season.

So, nothing has changed. This is still the same team that can win a few and lose a few. Certainly Not a team with the brains, knowledge and experience at the top of the Front Office which can deliver a COMPLETE and CONSISTENT WINNING TEAM.

I do agree with you, but for some reason, I see you writing this post as the same as Luke Skywalker running the Death Star trench. "Stay on target....stay on target..."

Good points. I agree with you on JC being "serviceable". I think if we addressed the oline we could do worse than Campbell. But we should be grooming a young guy behind him.

PulpExposure wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:The true point of improvement of this franchise is about fundamental change at the top and I hate to burst your happy bubble after such a definitive win, even if we remind ourselves that it was against one of the weakest and more dysfunctional franchises in the entire NFL, BUT unless a competent and empowered GM is appointed to run this franchise ...

... we will suffer the same ups and downs ending up in mediocre records at the end of the season.

So, nothing has changed. This is still the same team that can win a few and lose a few. Certainly Not a team with the brains, knowledge and experience at the top of the Front Office which can deliver a COMPLETE and CONSISTENT WINNING TEAM.

I do agree with you, but for some reason, I see you writing this post as the same as Luke Skywalker running the Death Star trench. "Stay on target....stay on target..."

good analogy Pulp - I'm with RiC on this though (surprise, surprise) because my fear is that with any/some success as the season winds down, Snyder will not take the step to getting us on track by hiring a GM

I think it's not going to help if he just fires Cerrato and brings in a new coach and then brings in whoever that coach needs to be both assistants and players (draft and free agents) - my concern is that Snyder might just continue managing the team as he has been doing. Nobody should feel at all confident that we will be much better if at all with Snyder managing this franchise no matter who the coach, QB or play callers are

we need a GM and the only worry about any perceived success here is that Snyder might be encouraged by it - we are not a team by any stretch of the imagination and anyone that thinks we might be consistently competitive with Snyder managing things is either delusional, a member of the press or an NFL commentator (are those guys idiots or what)

I agree with a lot, however, remember that Jaosn is being getting better and better with time in the pocket. I know..he wont make us say WOW!! what a throw !! but I still think we can win with him. We need better OL and better defense. I liked the kicker, hope he keep it up..he has a stronger leg than Shaun. I think we will find out really how good this OL is in the next two weeks and that should help us decide what we have to address in the offseason.

I thought JC had a great day. What do you guys want from him? He made all the right throws, no INT's, ran for some first downs, and you call this "serviceable".
I never thought that JC was the main problem. He's had some bad games, like all QB's do, but he is learing from them and making plays.
I for one don't want to start over and groom another QB. I have no doubt that JC can take us to the Superbowl one day.

A lot of people on here want to have immediate success because of the many years of mediocrity. I understand their complaints but JC and Zorn have been given the majority of the blame. What the biggest problem is that we don't have a GM who's capable of actually finding talented players, and running the organization correctly.

New to the website. Redskin fan for 40 years. With that said, I think JC is a good quarterback. Notice I didn't say great. I believe the Redskins need to put him in an offense better suited to his abilities. Such as power run game, and throw deep. I believe he can do the job, but I think we all need to cut him some slack. Not many quarterbacks have been in a different offense every year since they were in high school. Put him in an offense that suits his abilities and he still cannot get the job done I will be the first person to say let him go.

Has anyone else noticed that with contributions from Kelly and Davis, JC's game has improved. He finally has other receivers who can get open and make plays. He also has a running game which helps open the passing game.
We just need an O line that can keep him from getting the big hits.
I also liked the way he called some audibles at the line. That shows he's seeing the field well.

Tuck28 wrote:New to the website. Redskin fan for 40 years. With that said, I think JC is a good quarterback. Notice I didn't say great. I believe the Redskins need to put him in an offense better suited to his abilities. Such as power run game, and throw deep. I believe he can do the job, but I think we all need to cut him some slack. Not many quarterbacks have been in a different offense every year since they were in high school. Put him in an offense that suits his abilities and he still cannot get the job done I will be the first person to say let him go.

Welcome to the site Tuck28.

Thanks Hoss.

welcome to the THN site Tuck28 and Andy614 - hope you enjoy the stay

G'day Frank - I think we're on the same page - I just want someone to come in here that understands what is involved with having a successful and competitive nfl team - we are not going to get that with Snyder's way of managing this franchise and meddling in anything to do with the players and the coaches performance on the field.

If the new guy comes in here and wants to keep everyone (obviously EXCEPT Cerrato) because they suit his vision for what we need to do then that is fine with me - we all know that Snyder has no plan for putting a consistently competitive product on the field

my only concern is that any success might mean that Snyder will not be as motivated to begin that process this coming off season
I think it would be neat to play great and win the last 3 games - I will be really pissed though if Cerrato is still here in February 2010

frankcal20 wrote:A lot of people on here want to have immediate success because of the many years of mediocrity. I understand their complaints but JC and Zorn have been given the majority of the blame. What the biggest problem is that we don't have a GM who's capable of actually finding talented players, and running the organization correctly.

I agree with this post that people want immediate success because of the years of mediocrity under Snyder but I think realistically that's not going to happen until we commit to a head coach long enough for him to build some continuity and create chemistry with the players. I don't know what the future holds for JC but if he ends the season on a high note I think the best option for next year is to bring him back. Every time we start over we'll see the same results as before, I think the team is having a breakthrough right now and is playing at a level we could build on for the future.

Tuck28 - Welcome to the site. This is a great place to talk about everything going on in DC - mostly, our Washington Redskins.

I agree with your thoughts about Jason. I think he's shown what he can do but I think that he can definatly improve. I think him growing more comfortable in an off

I'm afraid too many influential people -- wait, there's only ONE influential person that matters -- will be swayed by the "fool's gold" of the past month.

They're going to allow the positives of the past month (and I'm not poo-poo'ing the impressiveness of the efforts) to mask the institutional flaws that have existed throughout the majority of the Snyder realm.

PulpExposure wrote:I do agree with you, but for some reason, I see you writing this post as the same as Luke Skywalker running the Death Star trench. "Stay on target....stay on target..."

Anything to defeat the Evil Empire, Pulp.

I have been fighting this Rebellion far too long to take a break now.

But seriously ... it is about change at the top. After that, the HC and the OL are my top priorities.

I am convinced from what I hear that Zorn is not coming back. Trust me on this one.

SkinsJock wrote:I will be really pissed though if Cerrato is still here in February 2010

From what my inside sources tell me ...

... WE will be REALLY pissed in February. Trust me.

I'm hearing it a lot too. I don't have any sources but a lot of inside guys on radio are saying he'll probably get one more year.

The Redskins that won three Super Bowls don't play this NFL game anymore.

We have to accept the fact that John Riggins is not going to suit up and bust off Joe Jacoby's block in classic Riggo style.

Franchise QB's are not available on EBay.

Dan Snyder & Vinny Cerrato should recognize that they need a NFL scout/GM who can regulate the murky waters of the salary cap.

Keep guys at a lower price & stop trying to put a bandaid on a knife wound.

Top draft picks have got to pan out, bc these unproven players generally will receive some sort of signing bonus.

I wish I could get a raise, just because I go to work everyday.

Anywho, Jason Campbell threw the ball with authority, and helped his team score 34 points. (yeah I know Charles Woodson wears Packer green, not the silver & black)

Cleveland sacked Big Ben 8 times, and shut down the Steelers' running attack.

Super Bowl winning teams are not immune to adversity. Progress is made only through perseverance.

If he can protect the football against the reeling Giants, it will definitely make the powers that be take notice.

Jimmy Clausen or Tim Tebow should be someone else's project.

Keep Campbell and draft some o-linemen & another RB to build the offense brick by brick.

SkinsJock wrote:welcome to the THN site Tuck28 and Andy614 - hope you enjoy the stay

G'day Frank - I think we're on the same page - I just want someone to come in here that understands what is involved with having a successful and competitive nfl team - we are not going to get that with Snyder's way of managing this franchise and meddling in anything to do with the players and the coaches performance on the field.

If the new guy comes in here and wants to keep everyone (obviously EXCEPT Cerrato) because they suit his vision for what we need to do then that is fine with me - we all know that Snyder has no plan for putting a consistently competitive product on the field

my only concern is that any success might mean that Snyder will not be as motivated to begin that process this coming off season
I think it would be neat to play great and win the last 3 games - I will be really pissed though if Cerrato is still here in February 2010

If you listen to The Junkies on 106.7 The Fan this morning, LaVar Arrington was on and he said that he believes that it is a lock that Shanahan is the new coach and that Sherm Lewis was brought in as the advance team to get the guys on the same page as Shanahan (they apparently were on the same staff with Bill Walsh and are friends). This way when Shanahan comes in next year he doesn't have to spend time working on verbage/nomenclature and go right into how the offense runs. He said that Sherm would leave at the end of the year and Shanahan would bring in his own guys (including his son). He also said that he is certain the entire defensive coaching staff will be retained.

Not sure if LaVar really knows anything or not on this subject, but he sounded like he definitely had heard from somebody who knows. Especially concerning the defensive coaching staff, whereas he sounded like there was no way these guys are gone...but did leave an inkling that Jerry Gray may be the new DC only if Blache decides to retire (again) on his own.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Not sure if LaVar really knows anything or not on this subject, but he sounded like he definitely had heard from somebody who knows.

He does, and he did.

I don't want Blache here anymore. I'm tired of CBs 10 yds off the ball. I'm tired of using Fat Al to take up space in gap control. I want an attacking defense. Our defense relies too much on the secondary and not enough on talent up front.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't want Blache here anymore. I'm tired of CBs 10 yds off the ball. I'm tired of using Fat Al to take up space in gap control. I want an attacking defense. Our defense relies too much on the secondary and not enough on talent up front.

So, basically, you are saying you want Greg Williams back, right?

No chance ... at least not as long as Vinny is around for the next year (or so? ). They do not have warm feelings towards one another if you know what I mean ...

Redskin in Canada wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't want Blache here anymore. I'm tired of CBs 10 yds off the ball. I'm tired of using Fat Al to take up space in gap control. I want an attacking defense. Our defense relies too much on the secondary and not enough on talent up front.

So, basically, you are saying you want Greg Williams back, right?

No chance ... at least not as long as Vinny is around for the next year (or so? ). They do not have warm feelings towards one another if you know what I mean ...

Other D coords can have an attacking defense.