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Carlos Rogers and the rest of the players in that lockerroom, I'm waitin'.... Just waitin'..... To see what happens now that somebody else bit on the double move, not once but twice???

If this coaching staff doesn't sit Laron Landry down like they did Carlos, they need to be fired. I don't want to hear that there is no Horton and we "need" Landry back there. BullllllllllllllShigggidy!!! And if Carlos comes out and bitches about it to the press, I'm not mad at him.

This guy is hurting this defense with his mindset of always trying to hit somebody instead of making the play. Then his respsonse is even more classic. If I'm Shanahan or whomever is coming in, I'm penciling this down right now to check this kid's attitude at the door. He is not Sean Taylor, Ed Reed, Darren Sharper, etc. to be making the mistakes he makes. Hell, Doughty can come up and hit people. At least he wraps up. Had Landry been a hair off on his hit of Brees, who knows what the play would have been with that extra time to throw? he had a b-line on Drew and had a chance to plant him into the ground but instead, he goes for a big hit.

Laron Landry should be benched for the next game and the personnel move to make in the off-season is to get in a FS and move this dude back to SS.

We cut the kicker what more do you want!

I remember Sean Taylor struggling in his 3rd year and getting alot of flack for it from the fans. People always would say he would only look for the big hit. Fans wanted to bench, trade, and even cut him, exactly what they are saying about Landry now.

Look we are 3-9 season over! We need to support our team and hope that we can correct the soft coverage mistakes and the bad o-line and our other countless issue's for the 2010 season. Im so sick of the get rid of JC talk and put Colt in eventho he could not complete passes against guys in the preseason that were 3 string at the time that are most likely working at moving companies now. I think we need to try and beat the cowboys and giants and hopefully the way the team is playing will be how we play 10 season.

MrUbiquitous#26 wrote:I remember Sean Taylor struggling in his 3rd year and getting alot of flack for it from the fans. People always would say he would only look for the big hit. Fans wanted to bench, trade, and even cut him, exactly what they are saying about Landry now.

Ummm... you're going to have to show me...

1: Taylor rarely missed a hit.
2: When Taylor made a hit, the opponent went down.
3: Have you know recollection of the number of cases of alligator arms among WR's ( including the "great" TO) when ST was on the field?
4: Taylor did not make the same mistake that cost a touchdown twice in one game, nor 3 times in 2 games.
5: Taylor made steady progress, until he reached mastery. At the time of his death, he was, IMO, the best FS in football, and was well on his way to becoming an NFL legend.

At the same point in his career, Landry is still falling for double moves.

Landry said 2 weeks ago that, basically, he is what he is... a hitter.

One worked hard to get better with each game... one doesn't see a need to improve. You don't see the difference????

I suspect that LL has the ability to play FS... but does not want to. He is, and wants to be, a SS. He's given other clues to his level of self-serving behaviors (such as the rather excessive level of personal celebration every time he makes even a routine play). I'm thinking this is just another one. His play as a Free Safety would improve dramatically simply by moderating his aggressive mindset when back there...

Strong Safeties can play with complete abandon, and be productive in doing so... Free Safeties must play with a healthy dose of caution, due to the "last resort" nature of their position... Taylor worked hard to learn how to play FS. however, Landry sees no need to do that. It costs the team heavily.

well said Trey.

Countertrey wrote:

MrUbiquitous#26 wrote:I remember Sean Taylor struggling in his 3rd year and getting alot of flack for it from the fans. People always would say he would only look for the big hit. Fans wanted to bench, trade, and even cut him, exactly what they are saying about Landry now.

Ummm... you're going to have to show me...

1: Taylor rarely missed a hit.
2: When Taylor made a hit, the opponent went down.
3: Have you know recollection of the number of cases of alligator arms among WR's ( including the "great" TO) when ST was on the field?
4: Taylor did not make the same mistake that cost a touchdown twice in one game, nor 3 times in 2 games.
5: Taylor made steady progress, until he reached mastery. At the time of his death, he was, IMO, the best FS in football, and was well on his way to becoming an NFL legend.

At the same point in his career, Landry is still falling for double moves.

Landry said 2 weeks ago that, basically, he is what he is... a hitter.

One worked hard to get better with each game... one doesn't see a need to improve. You don't see the difference????

I suspect that LL has the ability to play FS... but does not want to. He is, and wants to be, a SS. He's given other clues to his level of self-serving behaviors (such as the rather excessive level of personal celebration every time he makes even a routine play). I'm thinking this is just another one. His play as a Free Safety would improve dramatically simply by moderating his aggressive mindset when back there...

Strong Safeties can play with complete abandon, and be productive in doing so... Free Safeties must play with a healthy dose of caution, due to the "last resort" nature of their position... Taylor worked hard to learn how to play FS. however, Landry sees no need to do that. It costs the team heavily.

Well said. The year that you point to, in withc ST allegedly struggled, we had an AWFUL secondary and ST tried to do too much at times to make up for the deficiencies of the others in the secondary. That's when he made some mistakes.

Yup... that year, Taylor was definitely trying to carry the secondary... and he was not quite up to it. But that was also part of his learning curve... and most of us knew that.

Trey, you are the man....

But for me and why I posted this is not about ST or us fans ridin this or that. It's about consistency within the organization and with authority.

If you gonna sit a guy for falling for one double move, then you have to sit another guy for doing the same but in this case it's worst, two double moves. Then add to that no humility on his part about.

I don't want to hear like I heard today from a guy who say's he's a real fan that you can't bench Landry because you got no one else. We 3-9 people. It's not going to kill us if Kareem Moore or even Smoot starts at FS this week. This dude needs to be checked and this organization needs to be consistent.

If they don't sit him, I'm not going to say anything bad about Carlos if he whines, hollas, moans, or calmly complains to the media about it. Because this is not only about Carlos but it's also about the other guys in that lockerroom too. What message do you sent to them if you don't sit Landry? "Oh, I can not do my job and give up a big play too because they won't sit me down".

And the part that really pisses me off about Landry is that he get's burned not once but twice and after the second time, he is still celebrating doing his job. Like he has no conscious that he just cost his team 14 points and possibly the game. Any normal person would be humbled by that and just play hard and leave the celebrations for another time. Not him.

If I was GM and the coaches didn't sit him down, I'd fire Jerry Gray and then cut him. What is that Horton and Doughty can't do? He can't cover and neither can he. But they can all hit and play the SS position. He's turning out to be all about him and not the team, all while missing tackles and giving up big plays. I don't think he has what Sean had in terms of growing and maturing into a star....

Roybus14 said:

If you gonna sit a guy for falling for one double move, then you have to sit another guy for doing the same but in this case it's worst, two double moves.

Agree... but, it wasn't 2 double moves he fell for... it was 3. He gave up a TD against Philly on a double move.

Countertrey wrote:Roybus14 said:

If you gonna sit a guy for falling for one double move, then you have to sit another guy for doing the same but in this case it's worst, two double moves.

Agree... but, it wasn't 2 double moves he fell for... it was 3. He gave up a TD against Philly on a double move.

Forgot about that one....

totally understand about the discipline, but .... fact is we all know that this defense is better with this guy on the field

Landry is one of the best safeties in the NFL at this time and he certainly needs better discipline and better coaching - we will be a much more effective defense with this guy in the right place and with better defensive game planning

for those that don't think we should keep him it would be a shame to see him become the player he can be in another uniform .... I doubt anyone connected to this franchise is as stupid as that ... and then again

SkinsJock wrote:totally understand about the discipline, but .... fact is we all know that this defense is better with this guy on the field

Landry is one of the best safeties in the NFL at this time and he certainly needs better discipline and better coaching - we will be a much more effective defense with this guy in the right place and with better defensive game planning

for those that don't think we should keep him it would be a shame to see him become the player he can be in another uniform .... I doubt anyone connected to this franchise is as stupid as that ... and then again

You said it best SkinsJock. You can only bench so many players until it comes down to who's the best available. At what point does it hurt the team more?

Part of the problem is, we are hurting at CB. I think Moore has pretty good range, and decent cover skills, but no where near what LL is capable of. Smoot has played some FS... but seriously, who wants Smoot filling holes (plus, he's needed at CB right now)?

SJ, if you are speaking of talent... cool... but best? I don't know. "One of the best", in my mind, would mean he does more good than harm, to begin with. Last Sunday, take away two boneheaded plays, and LL looks like a probowler. But, those boneheaded plays count, too. It's not an isolated event, either... he bit on almost an identical route that cost 6 vs Philly... Dude... you are supposed to learn from mistakes like that... I would expect "one of the best" to get bitten once... but 3 times in 2 weeks????? Dude.

ATX_Skins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:totally understand about the discipline, but .... fact is we all know that this defense is better with this guy on the field

Landry is one of the best safeties in the NFL at this time and he certainly needs better discipline and better coaching - we will be a much more effective defense with this guy in the right place and with better defensive game planning

for those that don't think we should keep him it would be a shame to see him become the player he can be in another uniform .... I doubt anyone connected to this franchise is as stupid as that ... and then again

You said it best SkinsJock. You can only bench so many players until it comes down to who's the best available. At what point does it hurt the team more?

At 3-9, can the team really be hurt? There's no way Landry's play should entitle him to be the unquestioned starter in 2010. In that respect it makes more sense to see if Moore's discipline makes up for his lack of Landry's freakish athleticism.

I always stand up for the defense but I'll call a spade a spade. LL is not a team player, he's hurting the defense and as I said in another thread, I blame the coaches at this point.

Disgusting.... It's just sickening how they're showing blatantly favoritism and that is NOT helping the team. They're promoting individualism.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I always stand up for the defense but I'll call a spade a spade. LL is not a team player, he's hurting the defense and as I said in another thread, I blame the coaches at this point.
Disgusting.... It's just sickening how they're showing blatantly favoritism and that is NOT helping the team. They're promoting individualism.

The coaching does look like it is 'favoring' certain players - Landry's antics are not just recent and should have been brought under control a while ago
this defense has put up decent stats BUT, to me anyway, I think they have been not as effective as I was hoping before the season began

the franchise really needs a culture change and it needs to begin with the top level of the franchise - everyone at the top should feel that they are accountable for their actions
After we get through that process, hopefully we will not just see a new coaching staff here in the next few months but also a new way of making the players feel they are accountable as well

we have not seen very good coaching out of this staff this year - everyone needs to go, everyone

I find myself always questioning if it's the coaches making the call or the FO ...saying LL plays!!