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Sherman Lewis, hired Oct. 6 as an offensive consultant, is expected to be given playcalling duties tomorrow, according to two sources with knowledge of the situation.

Though Lewis, 67, hasn't coached since 2004, he's had three stints as an offensive coordinator in the NFL: Detroit (2002-04), Minnesota (2000-01) and Green Bay (1992-99).

Green Bay's offensive success made Lewis's name a popular one for head coaching jobs around the league, though he was never hired. One of the knocks against him at the time was that Lewis wasn't the primary play-caller for those offenses.

After Mike Holmgren left Green Bay for the head coaching job in Seattle, Lewis did take over play-calling duties for one season; Green Bay went 8-8 in 1999.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

Here's his playbook:

Why not right? I mean, it really can't hurt. Maybe Sherm will call plays that focus on the players talents. I'm not sure this was what was going on before but just curious.

frankcal20 wrote:Why not right? I mean, it really can't hurt. Maybe Sherm will call plays that focus on the players talents. I'm not sure this was what was going on before but just curious.

But he'd still be calling plays from the same WCO playbook, no?

This team doesn't have WCO talent ... so do different plays from the same playbook really make that much difference?

And, would ANY playbook's plays work with the O-line in its current form?

I think we are just going to dumb them down a bit. Honestly, I can see us running really vanilla plays or moving the pocket a lot.

But no - I don't think it's going to get much better than this right now.

is it me? or Does the Joe Gibbs 2.0 YEARS FEEL LIKE 7-9 YEARS AGO ALREADY...

This franchise has reverted back to Exactly what is before Gibbs almost immediately.

Sherm Smith??? WTF is goin on?
Zorn should have quit last night, I feel for the guy. Is he a head coach ? No ?. But thats on Ownership not Zorn.

Just fire Zorn. Dont embarass him ,while also making a mockery of our Franchise with these insane new delegations...oh btw

BINGO!!!

MEZZSKIN wrote:is it me? or Does the Joe Gibbs 2.0 YEARS FEEL LIKE 7-9 YEARS AGO ALREADY...

This franchise has reverted back to Exactly what is before Gibbs almost immediately.

Sherm Smith??? WTF is goin on?
Zorn should have quit last night, I feel for the guy. Is he a head coach ? No ?. But thats on Ownership not Zorn.

Just fire Zorn. Dont embarass him ,while also making a mockery of our Franchise with these insane new delegations...oh btw

BINGO!!!

I'm really not sure what Zorn is here to do. The guy has no imput on the Defense, now no playcalling duties, he's back to trying to coach up a bust of a pick in Campbell I guess.

You can't say that JC is a bust. Everyone in the NFL say's he's not been given a fair shake in his NFL career. He's not been given the opportunity as a player to grow in the offense because of us not having any consistency in our coaching staff.

I really don't care what anyone else's opinion on this matter is because most on here don't agree with me on this. I think the best thing for his career is to move on to another franchise where he can sit for a year and learn the offense and then come in and take over like in Carolina for instance.

frankcal20 wrote:You can't say that JC is a bust. Everyone in the NFL say's he's not been given a fair shake in his NFL career. He's not been given the opportunity as a player to grow in the offense because of us not having any consistency in our coaching staff.

I really don't care what anyone else's opinion on this matter is because most on here don't agree with me on this. I think the best thing for his career is to move on to another franchise where he can sit for a year and learn the offense and then come in and take over like in Carolina for instance.

I agree with this. He hasn't been given a fair shake, although there are things he's not doing that he should be despite all the turmoil.

He needs to leave and hopefully find some stability.

It doesn't matter what system you put Campbell in. He has slow reads, bad footwork, and is very inaccurate throwing long. That's a fact. If Zorn (a QB coach) was trying to get rid of him through the offseason, it shows you that he's not a QB Zorn wanted. And if you think Zorn didn't have any input into that fiasco, I would be VERY hard pressed to believe it.

chiefhog44 wrote:

MEZZSKIN wrote:is it me? or Does the Joe Gibbs 2.0 YEARS FEEL LIKE 7-9 YEARS AGO ALREADY...

This franchise has reverted back to Exactly what is before Gibbs almost immediately.

Sherm Smith??? WTF is goin on?
Zorn should have quit last night, I feel for the guy. Is he a head coach ? No ?. But thats on Ownership not Zorn.

Just fire Zorn. Dont embarass him ,while also making a mockery of our Franchise with these insane new delegations...oh btw

BINGO!!!

I'm really not sure what Zorn is here to do. The guy has no imput on the Defense, now no playcalling duties, he's back to trying to coach up a bust of a pick in Campbell I guess.

Sadly Chief...Zorn himself doesnt even know what hes here to do at this point.
Zorn knows with 100 percent certainty hes just keeping the seat warm until our TWO HEADED MONSTER OF DESTRUCTION decide what to do the HC position.
Embarassing and degrading. Embarassing to the franchise Degrading to Zorn

Is it sad that I hope we lose the rest of our games this year? As bad as this team is right now, Snyder still thinks it's coaching? We have what should be a top 3 defense and we are 2-3 against the 5 worst teams in the league...

This team needs a change in philosophy and I don't know if Snyders Ego will let him see that.

I am really not looking forward to Chucky...

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Santa! Did you check the list twice??

For the topic at hand, I submit this.

This move is more dangerous than good in IMO. By all accounts Zorn still has the players support. Want to see what a team look like where the HC doesn’t…see Tenn.
Go back to Zorn’s first eight games when everyone was saying he was a great play caller.
Than the last eight he wasn’t…what changed?? I’ll tell you what the O-Line. Zorn didn’t forget how to call plays he doesn’t have the personnel to do so. Now insert Lewis or whoever… do we really think different play calling is the answer?? We still have major O-Line issues. Look at the Eagles yesterday against a bad team…Then look at what the Saints did to a very good D.

Than the last eight he wasn’t…what changed?? I’ll tell you what the O-Line. Zorn didn’t forget how to call plays he doesn’t have the personnel to do so

The league adapted to Zorn and he didn't adjust.

MEZZSKIN wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

MEZZSKIN wrote:is it me? or Does the Joe Gibbs 2.0 YEARS FEEL LIKE 7-9 YEARS AGO ALREADY...

This franchise has reverted back to Exactly what is before Gibbs almost immediately.

Sherm Smith??? WTF is goin on?
Zorn should have quit last night, I feel for the guy. Is he a head coach ? No ?. But thats on Ownership not Zorn.

Just fire Zorn. Dont embarass him ,while also making a mockery of our Franchise with these insane new delegations...oh btw

BINGO!!!

I'm really not sure what Zorn is here to do. The guy has no imput on the Defense, now no playcalling duties, he's back to trying to coach up a bust of a pick in Campbell I guess.

Sadly Chief...Zorn himself doesnt even know what hes here to do at this point.
Zorn knows with 100 percent certainty hes just keeping the seat warm until our TWO HEADED MONSTER OF DESTRUCTION decide what to do the HC position.
Embarassing and degrading. Embarassing to the franchise Degrading to Zorn

It's sad really. Zorn is just another good guy in the NFL that is being treated like crap by Vinny. You get a bunch of coaches and players that you treat this way, and you begin to build a negative aura around yourself and the team. Nobody is wishing you well. I truely think this aura is reflected by Vinny and NOT Snyder. I think Dan is actually a decent guy. Vinny rubs me wrong man. He's a jerk.

Example...Dan Rooney is a good person. That's why people from other teams root for his success. When he wins, people are happy for him. To see that old man walk out and lift the Lombardi trophy is pretty spectacular. He's created a positive aura around himself and the team. That's why his franchise is successful.

This is why I propose the following. Bring in Tony Dungy as the Team President. Let him select a GM, coaching staff and players. Give him a slice of ownership. It would make perfect sense. Dungy wants to be an activist in this stage of life, wants to play in lobbying for his causes, and what better place to do it then in DC. This would bring a positive aura back to the team. Hell you could do it with Gibbs too, but I think he's too old.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Than the last eight he wasn’t…what changed?? I’ll tell you what the O-Line. Zorn didn’t forget how to call plays he doesn’t have the personnel to do so

The league adapted to Zorn and he didn't adjust.

I've never ever believed that line...so why hasn't the League adapeted to Brady, Manning and Brees yet??

DEHog wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Than the last eight he wasn’t…what changed?? I’ll tell you what the O-Line. Zorn didn’t forget how to call plays he doesn’t have the personnel to do so

The league adapted to Zorn and he didn't adjust.

I've never ever believed that line...so why hasn't the League adapeted to Brady, Manning and Brees yet??

Exactly, that's a poor excuse for an answer. The answer is that teams realized that all they needed to do to beat us was to create pressure on the line. Our O-line is not good enough. It started in the Pittsburgh game and hasn't stopped. You can't adjust to your line being average with no depth.

DEHog wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Than the last eight he wasn’t…what changed?? I’ll tell you what the O-Line. Zorn didn’t forget how to call plays he doesn’t have the personnel to do so

The league adapted to Zorn and he didn't adjust.

I've never ever believed that line...so why hasn't the League adapeted to Brady, Manning and Brees yet??

One, those are players not coaches so the comparison is pointless. Second, it's clear that as a play caller Zorn is in over his head. He did well at the start of last year because teams didn't know what to expect from him. Once defenses adjusted to what he was trying to do, he couldn't adapt. It happens all the time in football.

chiefhog44 wrote:

DEHog wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Than the last eight he wasn’t…what changed?? I’ll tell you what the O-Line. Zorn didn’t forget how to call plays he doesn’t have the personnel to do so

The league adapted to Zorn and he didn't adjust.

I've never ever believed that line...so why hasn't the League adapeted to Brady, Manning and Brees yet??

Exactly, that's a poor excuse for an answer. The answer is that teams realized that all they needed to do to beat us was to create pressure on the line. Our O-line is not good enough. It started in the Pittsburgh game and hasn't stopped. You can't adjust to your line being average with no depth.

Up until Samuels got hurt the oline was doing more than enough to give JC time to throw the ball. Right now the line is a joke. It was serviceable through the first 4 games and we still couldn't do anything on offense.

No it wasn't. And then you add on there that the WR's were not getting any separation for the D backs, there isn't much this offense has been good at this year and that starts with each player looking at himself asking what has he done to make this team better.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

DEHog wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Than the last eight he wasn’t…what changed?? I’ll tell you what the O-Line. Zorn didn’t forget how to call plays he doesn’t have the personnel to do so

The league adapted to Zorn and he didn't adjust.

I've never ever believed that line...so why hasn't the League adapeted to Brady, Manning and Brees yet??

One, those are players not coaches so the comparison is pointless. Second, it's clear that as a play caller Zorn is in over his head. He did well at the start of last year because teams didn't know what to expect from him. Once defenses adjusted to what he was trying to do, he couldn't adapt. It happens all the time in football.

It is not pointless who calls their plays???
Or..why hasn't the league adated to the BB, Tom Moore and Sean Payton

DEHog wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

DEHog wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Than the last eight he wasn’t…what changed?? I’ll tell you what the O-Line. Zorn didn’t forget how to call plays he doesn’t have the personnel to do so

The league adapted to Zorn and he didn't adjust.

I've never ever believed that line...so why hasn't the League adapeted to Brady, Manning and Brees yet??

One, those are players not coaches so the comparison is pointless. Second, it's clear that as a play caller Zorn is in over his head. He did well at the start of last year because teams didn't know what to expect from him. Once defenses adjusted to what he was trying to do, he couldn't adapt. It happens all the time in football.

It is not pointless who calls their plays???
Or..why hasn't the league adated to the BB, Tom Moore and Sean Payton

The leagues does adapt to those coaches. They are good enough to change what they are doing though. Zorn is simply in way over his head.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Lol. Great pic, CLL!