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Defensive Changes.....

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:19 am
by roybus14
I for the life of me cannot figure out why the last two DCs we've had can't find a way for studs like Lavar and Orakpo to play DE or some similance of it on a regular basis??? Hence, my defensive changes thread....

Here is what I propose for changes to the defense that will get us more pressure on the QB, take some of the pressure off the secondary, and create the next Dexter Manley....

-- Move Orakpo to DE next to Haynesworth and keep him there so that he can get the experience of being an NFL DE and get to the QB and become the dominate DE like he was at Texas and be our new Dexter Manley.

-- Move Carter to the other end and alternate him with Daniels...

-- Insert HB Blades in as the third or SLB with London and Rocky... Shouldn't be a stretch for Blades to make the change like it is for Orakpo to go from DE to LB.

-- On situational passing downs (2nd and 3rd & longs) put Daniels in for Griffin next to Haynesworth to give the DL a little more speed and take advantage of Daniels' strength in the middle. Albert will get two blockers (C & G) leaving Orakpo, Carter and Daniels one-on-one. And then Blache can dial up more blitzes as these guys are bound to beat their man at some point... Hopefully more than not....

We have enough talent up front to center around Haynesworth and Orakpo (if Blache makes him a full-time DE) to show teams different looks to get pressure. You have the studs at LBs to provide the run support on Orakpo's side until he can get acclimated to being an NFL DE. I just think that it is foolish and a waste of talent to have this kid playing LB and not on his knuckles. Other teams have put guys of similar size and talent on their knuckles and they are doing fine. Look at the Giants for instance. They won the SB with Strahan, Tuck, Umenyora, Kiwianuka on their DL. And all of these guys were Orakpo/Carter types in size. Indy has Freeney and Mathis. Mathis can to Indy as a LB that they made into the bookend DE opposite of Freeney.

There are plenty examples around the league of this. But we seen to be the only ones doing things different. We are padding the stat sheets with "bend but don't break" defense, giving up FGs when the field gets short but we are not stopping teams enough and this defense, Greg Blache's defense allowed an 0-19 team go 99 yards on it. Come on....

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:23 am
by tribeofjudah
because we're playing Pop Warner football..........hehehe
Coach em up........

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:44 am
by wooly34
I think the problems on defensive starts with intensity. The front four continuously get man handled thus the rushing yards given up thus far. Coaches can change players to any position, but until that player decides that he is going to beat the guy in front of him every down adjustments don't work. The lack of intensity is very evident when the defense allows bad offensive teams to move the ball up and down the field. In reality the Skins have 4 solid starters on defense that play hard from whistle to whistle. Fletcher, Orakpo, McIntosh, Doughty are the four Landry is a total bust he misses more tackles than an 80lb safety on a high school varsity team. Fat Al takes plays off, Carter is limited because he only uses his speed, Corn has done ok, but is often hurt, secondary can't cover on third down, they are not physical enough and play too deep. Hustle, heart, intellegence, and determination can make up for any physical limitations. Any scheme that is drawn up will fail if players are not dedicated to stop the opposing team period. Too many excuses for both sides of the ball they need to shut-up and play, enough with the excuses and if a player makes a mistake man-up and admit it. Great defenses play with 11 guys that play hard all the time not when they feel like it. This is a direct reflection on the coaching staff and organization.

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:59 pm
by VetSkinsFan
Few flaws with your logic.

Carter will disappear on the strong side. With minimal elite talent on the line in recent years, he disappeared in the years after the 49ers.

Daniels is not faster than Haynesworth. He's a run stuffer in the likeness of a DE Haynesworth, he's not a speed end.

I believe they're trying to make Orakpo in the mold of Washington; too soon to see if it's going to work.

Blades is adequate, but not elite at the SLB position. I would settle for that this year. Only thing is we have Jarmon, Wilson, Orakpo, Carter, Daniels, Wynn currently at DE (yes, I know that some oare DE/LB or DE/DT, but I listed their primary position or college position if a rook).

If Orakpo can do it, I like the idea of him as a hybrid DE/LB, though. a hybrid 3/4-4/3 defense, coupled with the cobra we're able to run with our depth at safety, can give a lot of looks.

The question is: Can Blache use our talent still?

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:10 pm
by collins1
You say put Carter on the left side. Well we brought in a future HOF DE in with Jason Taylor and for some reason the coaches wouldn't put him on the rt side. Carter would not move to the left because of his ego. So Taylor , who is taller and more slender , got put on the left and got injured. Until he leaves Orakpo will not become a dominant DE.

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:37 pm
by VetSkinsFan
collins1 wrote:You say put Carter on the left side. Well we brought in a future HOF DE in with Jason Taylor and for some reason the coaches wouldn't put him on the rt side. Carter would not move to the left because of his ego. So Taylor , who is taller and more slender , got put on the left and got injured. Until he leaves Orakpo will not become a dominant DE.


that's hogwash, b/c carter moves all around this year. I hardly believe that it's changed THAT much from last year to this year. Carter will do what the coaches tell him or he'll sit I'm sure.

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:41 pm
by roybus14
VetSkinsFan wrote:
collins1 wrote:You say put Carter on the left side. Well we brought in a future HOF DE in with Jason Taylor and for some reason the coaches wouldn't put him on the rt side. Carter would not move to the left because of his ego. So Taylor , who is taller and more slender , got put on the left and got injured. Until he leaves Orakpo will not become a dominant DE.


that's hogwash, b/c carter moves all around this year. I hardly believe that it's changed THAT much from last year to this year. Carter will do what the coaches tell him or he'll sit I'm sure.


Seriously though, the "Andre Carter Experience" has not really worked and it's time for Orakpo....

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:43 pm
by VetSkinsFan
roybus14 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
collins1 wrote:You say put Carter on the left side. Well we brought in a future HOF DE in with Jason Taylor and for some reason the coaches wouldn't put him on the rt side. Carter would not move to the left because of his ego. So Taylor , who is taller and more slender , got put on the left and got injured. Until he leaves Orakpo will not become a dominant DE.


that's hogwash, b/c carter moves all around this year. I hardly believe that it's changed THAT much from last year to this year. Carter will do what the coaches tell him or he'll sit I'm sure.


Seriously though, the "Andre Carter Experience" has not really worked and it's time for Orakpo....


Yeah, b/c we should expect Carter to do it without talent around him. When's the last time (before this year) we had healthy, elite talent on the line? The D line is a team effort. Jared Allen wouldn't be as strong as he is without the Williams Wall helpin him out suckin up o lineman. Give me a break.

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:10 pm
by roybus14
VetSkinsFan wrote:
roybus14 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
collins1 wrote:You say put Carter on the left side. Well we brought in a future HOF DE in with Jason Taylor and for some reason the coaches wouldn't put him on the rt side. Carter would not move to the left because of his ego. So Taylor , who is taller and more slender , got put on the left and got injured. Until he leaves Orakpo will not become a dominant DE.


that's hogwash, b/c carter moves all around this year. I hardly believe that it's changed THAT much from last year to this year. Carter will do what the coaches tell him or he'll sit I'm sure.


Seriously though, the "Andre Carter Experience" has not really worked and it's time for Orakpo....


Yeah, b/c we should expect Carter to do it without talent around him. When's the last time (before this year) we had healthy, elite talent on the line? The D line is a team effort. Jared Allen wouldn't be as strong as he is without the Williams Wall helpin him out suckin up o lineman. Give me a break.


Tell me what does Indy have in the middle since you mentioned the William's twins in Minny??? Not very much but Freeney and converted LB Mathis each have 5 sacks already.... It's simple mathematics... A body is required on a DT. And that often times leaves one (two if they double one of the two DTs) to block the DE. Freeney, Mathis, and Jared Allen are winning the one-on-one battles. Carter is not and has not...

The last time I checked, isn't it the DE's job to beat that OT on the edge? And often times Carter is one-on-one because teams don't respect the rush and have a RB help with Carter. Why??? because he can't beat nobody one-on-one..

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:23 pm
by fleetus
NFL teams would run over top of this defense. There's a lot more to D-line than sack numbers. You put Haynesworth next to Orakpo, leaving Carter and Grif on the right and every team we play will alternate running off tackle, left, then right, all game long. Your hearts in the right place, but you can't draw this stuff up on paper. You have to consider how the guys play in practice on every down.

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:34 pm
by ArlingtonSkinsFan
fleetus wrote:NFL teams would run over top of this defense. There's a lot more to D-line than sack numbers. You put Haynesworth next to Orakpo, leaving Carter and Grif on the right and every team we play will alternate running off tackle, left, then right, all game long. Your hearts in the right place, but you can't draw this stuff up on paper. You have to consider how the guys play in practice on every down.


I think you are absolutely right. A team cannot add a dimensions with the tools available without taking something away. You make the D-Line faster and more sack happy, and teams are just gonna run it off-tackle against 260lb. Orakpo.

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:45 pm
by DEHog
Jared Allen wouldn't be as strong as he is without the Williams Wall helpin him out suckin up o lineman.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....he sucked in KC...ask Samuels and Jansen about Allen at KC

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:27 am
by VetSkinsFan
DEHog wrote:
Jared Allen wouldn't be as strong as he is without the Williams Wall helpin him out suckin up o lineman.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....he sucked in KC...ask Samuels and Jansen about Allen at KC


Yeah, lets go to extremes...I didn't say he wouldn't do anything. I'm saying that the defensive line is a team effort. Please quote where I said sucked or insinuated anywhere at all that he would be subpar...and please don't embarrass yourself trying to imply "not as strong" meant "sucks."

Are you trying to say that Jared Allen does not benefit from the Williams wall?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:30 am
by VetSkinsFan
roybus14 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
roybus14 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
collins1 wrote:You say put Carter on the left side. Well we brought in a future HOF DE in with Jason Taylor and for some reason the coaches wouldn't put him on the rt side. Carter would not move to the left because of his ego. So Taylor , who is taller and more slender , got put on the left and got injured. Until he leaves Orakpo will not become a dominant DE.


that's hogwash, b/c carter moves all around this year. I hardly believe that it's changed THAT much from last year to this year. Carter will do what the coaches tell him or he'll sit I'm sure.


Seriously though, the "Andre Carter Experience" has not really worked and it's time for Orakpo....


Yeah, b/c we should expect Carter to do it without talent around him. When's the last time (before this year) we had healthy, elite talent on the line? The D line is a team effort. Jared Allen wouldn't be as strong as he is without the Williams Wall helpin him out suckin up o lineman. Give me a break.


Tell me what does Indy have in the middle since you mentioned the William's twins in Minny??? Not very much but Freeney and converted LB Mathis each have 5 sacks already.... It's simple mathematics... A body is required on a DT. And that often times leaves one (two if they double one of the two DTs) to block the DE. Freeney, Mathis, and Jared Allen are winning the one-on-one battles. Carter is not and has not...

The last time I checked, isn't it the DE's job to beat that OT on the edge? And often times Carter is one-on-one because teams don't respect the rush and have a RB help with Carter. Why??? because he can't beat nobody one-on-one..


There are many factors that go in to your all or none stats. Ever heard of a defensive scheme? You know as well as I do we haven't had an attacking defensive line; it's been gap control and contain.

And nowhere have I said Carter is the top DE in the game... he pulls his weight and does what he's asked to do. As does Jared Allen and Dwight Freeney.

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:00 pm
by roybus14
VetSkinsFan wrote:
roybus14 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
roybus14 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
collins1 wrote:You say put Carter on the left side. Well we brought in a future HOF DE in with Jason Taylor and for some reason the coaches wouldn't put him on the rt side. Carter would not move to the left because of his ego. So Taylor , who is taller and more slender , got put on the left and got injured. Until he leaves Orakpo will not become a dominant DE.


that's hogwash, b/c carter moves all around this year. I hardly believe that it's changed THAT much from last year to this year. Carter will do what the coaches tell him or he'll sit I'm sure.


Seriously though, the "Andre Carter Experience" has not really worked and it's time for Orakpo....


Yeah, b/c we should expect Carter to do it without talent around him. When's the last time (before this year) we had healthy, elite talent on the line? The D line is a team effort. Jared Allen wouldn't be as strong as he is without the Williams Wall helpin him out suckin up o lineman. Give me a break.


Tell me what does Indy have in the middle since you mentioned the William's twins in Minny??? Not very much but Freeney and converted LB Mathis each have 5 sacks already.... It's simple mathematics... A body is required on a DT. And that often times leaves one (two if they double one of the two DTs) to block the DE. Freeney, Mathis, and Jared Allen are winning the one-on-one battles. Carter is not and has not...

The last time I checked, isn't it the DE's job to beat that OT on the edge? And often times Carter is one-on-one because teams don't respect the rush and have a RB help with Carter. Why??? because he can't beat nobody one-on-one..


There are many factors that go in to your all or none stats. Ever heard of a defensive scheme? You know as well as I do we haven't had an attacking defensive line; it's been gap control and contain.

And nowhere have I said Carter is the top DE in the game... he pulls his weight and does what he's asked to do. As does Jared Allen and Dwight Freeney.


Yeah but compare the stats of Freeney and Allen to those of Carter....

Carter in the league since 2001 - 53.5 sacks with double digit sack seasons in 2002 and 2008

Freeney in league since 2002 - 75.5 sacks with double digit sack seasons in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2008

Allen in the league since 2004 - 64.0 sacks with double digit sack season in 2005, 2007, 2008.

The last time I checked teams were doubling Allen and Freeney more than Carter. And now with Haynesworth taking up two, Carter should have more success but he won't. Make Orakpo an everyday starter at DE next to Albert. Let him learn to be an NFL DE and grow into his body. I guarantee, he would have more impact on the game than Carter has and his career stats would be better as well.

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:59 am
by HEROHAMO
I totally agree.

Our defense has good athletes. They have also played courageously.
However the bend but don't break philosophy is just not a Championship philosophy. It really pains me to say that. But, it is true.


If you look at the SuperBowl winners history. It is easy to see. 9 out of ten of the teams who won the SuperBowl either lead the league in sacks or was amongst the league leaders in sacks. Anyone who doubts this go ahead and look it up.

So any philosophy that is not consistent with pressuring the QB is just not the Championship way. Time and time again it is obvious. The teams who generate pressure against the opposing QB consistently, wins consistently.

Orakpo at linebacker. I have a problem with this.
Yes he is doing a decent job at linebacker. He happens to lead the team in sacks with two. Not great but pretty good considering the circumstances.
My problem is this.
There are plays in which Orakpo drops into coverage instead of rushing the QB. Example first down pass plays.
Lets say a cover two is called. The opposing offense calls for a first down pass play. Well Orakpo is dropping into coverage instead of doing what he does best in rushing the Qb!

So far the Redskins are 19th in the league in sacks. Orakpo leading with two sacks. I would think that he could have more if playing full time at DE.

We have a good secondary. So I say dial up more blitzes.
Rocky and London should be getting more blitzes called for them. Orakpo should be playing full time at defensive end.

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:05 pm
by brad7686
HEROHAMO wrote:I totally agree.

Our defense has good athletes. They have also played courageously.
However the bend but don't break philosophy is just not a Championship philosophy. It really pains me to say that. But, it is true.


If you look at the SuperBowl winners history. It is easy to see. 9 out of ten of the teams who won the SuperBowl either lead the league in sacks or was amongst the league leaders in sacks. Anyone who doubts this go ahead and look it up.

So any philosophy that is not consistent with pressuring the QB is just not the Championship way. Time and time again it is obvious. The teams who generate pressure against the opposing QB consistently, wins consistently.

Orakpo at linebacker. I have a problem with this.
Yes he is doing a decent job at linebacker. He happens to lead the team in sacks with two. Not great but pretty good considering the circumstances.
My problem is this.
There are plays in which Orakpo drops into coverage instead of rushing the QB. Example first down pass plays.
Lets say a cover two is called. The opposing offense calls for a first down pass play. Well Orakpo is dropping into coverage instead of doing what he does best in rushing the Qb!

So far the Redskins are 19th in the league in sacks. Orakpo leading with two sacks. I would think that he could have more if playing full time at DE.

We have a good secondary. So I say dial up more blitzes.
Rocky and London should be getting more blitzes called for them. Orakpo should be playing full time at defensive end.


I agree with you on Orakpo, he is clearly a more skilled pass rusher than Carter and should take his job. I don't think it will happen though.

As far as blitzing more is concerned, they have to take what the offense gives them. If they try to blitz all day against max protection and get killed in the run game, ala Detroit, it won't do them much good.

Hopefully the sack numbers will go up, as they have played two teams with a good offensive line, one team protecting a rookie qb, and one team with a qb so fast he's hard to tackle.

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:48 pm
by dlc
Are we really comparing Carter to the two best pass rushers in the league? I think that's indicative of how much we overrate our talent on D.

Just as someone stated, you add one thing, then you have to take away another. If you've been watching our games, our secondary isn't shutdown where you can leave them one-on-one too often for blitzes. You can't just put Orakpo at end, or they'll just run right at him. Our LBs aren't great in coverage either, not to mention the entire team isn't the surest of tacklers.

In order to gamble, and put more pressure, you have to have talent to to lean on. Perhaps Haynesworth makes it easier to stop the run, but the other DLs have to hold their gaps and make plays. Are we going to let Rogers go off on an island with Steve Smith? Are we going to have Fletcher man up on DeAngelo Williams?

Instead of a bend don't break defense, would you prefer break defense? The assumption going in the year was the defense can only get better. In my opinion, Fletcher is a year older, as is our returning D-line, and there's more tape of mistakes that Horton and Landry consistently make that they don't improve on.

Let's not kid ourselves. The defense might being playing as good as they can. This isn't the Superbowl Ravens we have here. We have to hope that O gets better.

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:37 pm
by SKINFAN
To run a Bend not break Defense you need 2 things to be successful.

1. Dominant, speedy safety that has good ball hawk instincts and can quickly cover sideline to sideline.

2. Hi-Po offense, the bend not break will not give you good position on the field, you get the ball at your own 20 maybe less sometimes. So haveing a Hi powered O can overcome that.



We have neither....

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:46 pm
by VetSkinsFan
dlc wrote:Are we really comparing Carter to the two best pass rushers in the league? I think that's indicative of how much we overrate our talent on D.

Just as someone stated, you add one thing, then you have to take away another. If you've been watching our games, our secondary isn't shutdown where you can leave them one-on-one too often for blitzes. You can't just put Orakpo at end, or they'll just run right at him. Our LBs aren't great in coverage either, not to mention the entire team isn't the surest of tacklers.

In order to gamble, and put more pressure, you have to have talent to to lean on. Perhaps Haynesworth makes it easier to stop the run, but the other DLs have to hold their gaps and make plays. Are we going to let Rogers go off on an island with Steve Smith? Are we going to have Fletcher man up on DeAngelo Williams?

Instead of a bend don't break defense, would you prefer break defense? The assumption going in the year was the defense can only get better. In my opinion, Fletcher is a year older, as is our returning D-line, and there's more tape of mistakes that Horton and Landry consistently make that they don't improve on.

Let's not kid ourselves. The defense might being playing as good as they can. This isn't the Superbowl Ravens we have here. We have to hope that O gets better.


This is what I've been alluding to and seeing if he would actually figure this out, but obviously, some opinions are so jaded, they'll use and outlandish comparison.

Really, if we're not getting the production that Ed Reed, Champ Bailey, Ray Lewis, Dwight Freeney, Jared Allen, and Williams twins out of our defense, we obviously are failing miserably.

Oh yeah, and all of our WRs should be blocking like Hines Ward and catching Jerry Rice. And what do you mean that Clinton Portis isn't Adrian Peterson? Are you serious? And to top it all off, I'm most upset that Campbell isn't performing like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. I mean, DAMN, Brady was like a 6th round draft pick!!!!


Damn, we SUCK!!!!

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:41 am
by HEROHAMO
dlc wrote:Are we really comparing Carter to the two best pass rushers in the league? I think that's indicative of how much we overrate our talent on D.

Just as someone stated, you add one thing, then you have to take away another. If you've been watching our games, our secondary isn't shutdown where you can leave them one-on-one too often for blitzes. You can't just put Orakpo at end, or they'll just run right at him. Our LBs aren't great in coverage either, not to mention the entire team isn't the surest of tacklers.

In order to gamble, and put more pressure, you have to have talent to to lean on. Perhaps Haynesworth makes it easier to stop the run, but the other DLs have to hold their gaps and make plays. Are we going to let Rogers go off on an island with Steve Smith? Are we going to have Fletcher man up on DeAngelo Williams?

Instead of a bend don't break defense, would you prefer break defense? The assumption going in the year was the defense can only get better. In my opinion, Fletcher is a year older, as is our returning D-line, and there's more tape of mistakes that Horton and Landry consistently make that they don't improve on.

Let's not kid ourselves. The defense might being playing as good as they can. This isn't the Superbowl Ravens we have here. We have to hope that O gets better.



Nonsense. Our athletic talent on defense can compare and even surpass any defense in the league. No? Really?

Ok let here are some of the starting top defenses in the league with Washington included.

Pittsburg, 3-4

Polamalu SS, FS Mundy, OLB Harrison, OLB Woodley, ILB J Farrior, ILB Timmons, NT Hampton, DE Kiesel, DE A Smith, CB I Taylor, CB W Gay

Quick summary, All world saftey, average corners. Outstanding outside linebackers. Pittsburg has plugged in new starters at the outside linebacker spot for years now. Is it more the system or do they just find gems? I say they find good athletes and have a great defensive system in place with an outstanding playcaller. Defensive line is anchored by Hampton. Kiesel and Smith are both solid against the run.
This defense is well known for blitzing.


New York, 4-3

SS C. Brown, FS M. Johnson, OLB D. Clark, OLB M. Boley, ILB Pierce, DT B. Cofield, F. Robbins DT, DE Uminyiora, DE Tuck , CB C. Webster, CB T. Thomas
Quick summary,
Defensive line is outstanding. The defensive ends are the leaders of this team not just defense. Robbins is stout in the middle. Cofield is solid as well. Cornerbacks benefit from defensive line pressure. The corners are a bit above average. They benefit from D line play.

Minnesota, 4-3
SS T. Johnson, FS M. Williams, OLB C. Greenway, OLB B. Leber, ILB E. Henderson, DT K. Williams, DT P. Williams, DE Allen, DE R. Edwards, CB A. Windfield, CB C. Griffin

Average secondary aside from Winfield, Outstanding defensive line if not the best in the league. Allen is the best DE in my opinion.Linebackers are solid not great. Secondary also benefit from heavy pressure from Dline.

Baltimore, 3-4
SS D. Landry, FS E. Reed, Olb T. Suggs, OLB J. Johnson, Ilb R. Lewis, Ilb T. Gooden, DE T. Pryce, DE Ngata, NT K. Gregg, CB F. Washington, CB Foxworth

All world saftey other secondary players are average. Linebackers one of the greatest football players ever in R. Lewis. Excellent pass rusher in Suggs. Formidable defensive line.


Washington, 4-3
SS Horton, FS Landry, OLB Mcintosh, OLB Orakpo, ILB Fletcher, DT Griffin, DT Haynesworth, DE Carter, DE Daniels, CB Hall, CB Rogers


If you compare player to player. You can easily see that Washington does fare well.

Secondary,
Hall and Rogers can start over any of the corners listed. None of the teams mentioned above have a better tandem.
Laron Landry is a rising talent. He could start along side Reed or Polamalu and can defanatley start over the rest mentioned.
We have three standouts in the secondary compared to maybe one with the teams mentioned above.

Defensive line,
Haynesworth is the best defensive tackle in the league. Griffin along side him makes for two formidable DTs. Comparable to any tandem in the league. Even the Williams wall. Haynesworth is better then both of them.
Defensive ends have underacheived so far.
Washington, 4-3

Defensive ends?
Need more production.

I am willing to bet if you blitz Mcintosh on Carters side one of them would get to the QB more often then not.
How about Orakpo and Mcintosh going after the QB?

Zone blitzes, Overload blitzes, Fletcher blitzing behind Haynesworth, Orakpo attacking behind Haynesworth. I am telling you all.
The Blitz is the way to go. I guarantee the more we blitz the better we will be. Just watch.

Mark my words.
Pay attention to the blitz plays. The second we increase blitzing is when this defense will start playing all world. Just wait and see!

I love this team and know they have the players to execute. That is why I am going off on this. I would not bother if I knew they did not have the talent to do so.

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:14 am
by fleetus
It starts up front.

DT K. Williams, DT P. Williams, DE Allen, DE R. Edwards

How does our DL somehow equal this one? Then you add CB A. Winfield Those 5 alone put Minn far enough ahead that we'd have to have pro bowlers at every other position to catch up, IMO.

I think our DE's are decent, but they don't stack up to the best in the league. If Orakpo could hold his own against the run and beat out Carter I think Blache would have given him a shot. In reality, playing OLB is good experience for Orakpo and it gets him on the field a lot more than if he were simply in the DE rotation. On some plays, you could say Blache is running a 5-2 with Orakpo lined up on the outside. As the season goes on, I think we'll see Orakpo used more and more, but no use in givng the rest of the league too much game tape on him now.

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:19 pm
by roybus14
Say what you want, but today has shown us that Orakpo should be on his knuckles next to Albert. His sack today was from him being on his knuckles not from the LB position. The Carolina TD today to the TE..... Guess who was in coverage on him? You guessed it, Orakpo.

I will say this every week, Brian Orakpo needs to be on his knuckles next to Fat Albert. He's just a rookie and is better than Carter. Andre Carter is not a world-beater at DE so what's the problem with either sitting him or moving him to Daniels side?? Right now, this team sucks and it's looking like it's getting worse. So why not put this kid on his knuckles now and for the rest of the season and develop him.

Here's the real kicker though. This organization was hot to trot to try and beef up the DL. They draft the top DE coming out of college and then decide to make him a LB. Daniels has had injury problems in the past. He's getting old. Carter just hasn't gotten it done to make this line a threat to teams. So now you have, IMO, the next "stud" DE on your team and you try to make him a LB. Why not develop him at that position so we can have a Jared Allen.... A Justin Tuck.... A Dwight Freeney.....?? You got Fat Albert that commands two that you can line him up next too.

So two-three years from now, we will right back to where we were before. Looking for help on the DL because Albert can't do it all by himself and Daniels and Carter are old or injured when we had the next "Dexter" right in front of us. One of the staples of this organization during the championship years was having that Dexter Manley/Charles Mann type DE on the DL. There is the opportunity for it now but it's being squandered, IMO.....