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....every catagory. Except tds.......dude is playing better football this year......its not the qb........if the d could get off the field wed score more tds! By far the best player on our O right now.

Except tds

That's a pretty important one, no?

Anybody that has watched JC play this year knows that the stats don't even come close to telling the whole story. The qb is clearly a problem.

ive watched every snap.....u dont see improvement?

Actually, the only people who seem to say he's a problem or he's the problem are Skins fan's. I don't care what Rodney Harrison says, everyone I've heard has said that JC continues to improve and get better and that he is doing things right now for this team to win but other's are not. And that's the problem.

Californiaskin wrote:ive watched every snap.....u dont see improvement?

The improvement is there... the problem is, the game speeds up in the red zone... and Jason doesn't.

frankcal20 wrote:Actually, the only people who seem to say he's a problem or he's the problem are Skins fan's. I don't care what Rodney Harrison says, everyone I've heard has said that JC continues to improve and get better and that he is doing things right now for this team to win but other's are not. And that's the problem.

ya and the stats show that

Californiaskin wrote:....every catagory. Except tds.......dude is playing better football this year......its not the qb........if the d could get off the field wed score more tds! By far the best player on our O right now.

Ok, hold on.......



Just a second..........



Ah yes, our fearless QB accumulating a bottom 5 scoring offense. Yeah, he is just awesome.

Again with your stats. When will you learn that stats don't win games.....

Countertrey wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:ive watched every snap.....u dont see improvement?

The improvement is there... the problem is, the game speeds up in the red zone... and Jason doesn't.

ya maybe......just needs a couple breaks there.....sellars grab...maybe a little more loft for malcom in that first series against detroit

I have heard that sarcasm is the first refuge of a losing argument.

frankcal20 wrote:Actually, the only people who seem to say he's a problem or he's the problem are Skins fan's. I don't care what Rodney Harrison says, everyone I've heard has said that JC continues to improve and get better and that he is doing things right now for this team to win but other's are not. And that's the problem.

Nonsense. In addition to Harrison, Boomer Essaison ripped him yesterday and Sonny and Sam were very critical of him during the game for missing receivers. But what do any of them know? It's not like they've played the game or anything like that.

Californiaskin wrote:ive watched every snap.....u dont see improvement?

I mean sure there is some improvement. He's still nothing more than a backup NFL qb.

Californiaskin wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:ive watched every snap.....u dont see improvement?

The improvement is there... the problem is, the game speeds up in the red zone... and Jason doesn't.

ya maybe......just needs a couple breaks there.....sellars grab...maybe a little more loft for malcom in that first series against detroit

But that's exactly what I'm talking about. He made those reads so late that he had to rush the throws... and put more heat than they could handle from the distance.

Countertrey wrote:I have heard that sarcasm is the first refuge of a losing argument.

I only use sarcasm when I know the statement which was just asserted is so stupid that no response is actually necessary. I just like to point out how stupid it is by the use of sarcasm.

And you don't know me or how I "argue".

markshark84 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:....every catagory. Except tds.......dude is playing better football this year......its not the qb........if the d could get off the field wed score more tds! By far the best player on our O right now.

Ok, hold on.......



Just a second..........



Ah yes, our fearless QB accumulating a bottom 5 scoring offense. Yeah, he is just awesome.

Again with your stats. When will you learn that stats don't win games.....

those are cool emoticins there markshark.......soups our best offensive player right now.....couple of td strikes this past week......we should bootleg him more ala joe thiesman at the goal line cuz clinton cant score!

So we've been in the redzone a handful of times and not really scored. Our main play is the stretch to the left...and that's JC's fault?

Also, keep in mind there have been two drops in the redzone that would make his stat's a lot better. I can't say that he's been given a lot of chances based off the plays that have been called.

B/c of all the criticism by local fans, next time I get in the redzone, i would try to run it in again.

Californiaskin wrote:....every catagory. Except tds.......dude is playing better football this year......its not the qb........if the d could get off the field wed score more tds! By far the best player on our O right now.

Take out the garbage time drives against the Giants and the Lions and what are you left with? How can you praise a qb that in three entire games has led his team to a grand total of ONE TD AGAINST NON-PREVENT DEFENSES??? JC is slow making his reads, has horrible pocket awareness, misses open receivers, has no touch on the ball, and can't throw a catchable deep ball. If we had been playing a competent team yesterday JC would have had two more int's, one of which would have been an easy pick 6.

Ok. So who do you recommend we get this season to right the ship? Let's see some logic here.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:ive watched every snap.....u dont see improvement?

I mean sure there is some improvement. He's still nothing more than a backup NFL qb.

ok but for teams sake hopefully he gets the td stat up cuz other than that his numbers indicat he "is" a starting caliber qb....

frankcal20 wrote:Ok. So who do you recommend we get this season to right the ship? Let's see some logic here.

After these first three games from JC I'd give Collins a look. I mean seriously, how much worse could it be?? We only have one TD against non-prevent D's. At this point we have nothing to lose.

Btw, there is no chance that JC is our starting qb next year. Zero.

Californiaskin wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:ive watched every snap.....u dont see improvement?

I mean sure there is some improvement. He's still nothing more than a backup NFL qb.

ok but for teams sake hopefully he gets the td stat up cuz other than that his numbers indicat he "is" a starting caliber qb....

Padding stats during garbage time against prevent D's doesn't make someone starting caliber.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:....every catagory. Except tds.......dude is playing better football this year......its not the qb........if the d could get off the field wed score more tds! By far the best player on our O right now.

Take out the garbage time drives against the Giants and the Lions and what are you left with? How can you praise a qb that in three entire games has led his team to a grand total of ONE TD AGAINST NON-PREVENT DEFENSES??? JC is slow making his reads, has horrible pocket awareness, misses open receivers, has no touch on the ball, and can't throw a catchable deep ball. If we had been playing a competent team yesterday JC would have had two more int's, one of which would have been an easy pick 6.

unless it was carlos rogers d-ing up that pass

CalSkin - I've been doing everything in my power to offer up logic to some of these people in here but there are a few in here that are not going to change their mind. Even if he's in the top 5 in TD's, I'm sure they would be balking at him b/c he's not staying on the field enough to allow the defense to rest.

markshark84 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:I have heard that sarcasm is the first refuge of a losing argument.

I only use sarcasm when I know the statement which was just asserted is so stupid that no response is actually necessary. I just like to point out how stupid it is by the use of sarcasm.

Well, then... what more is there to say?

how many tds has portis scored so far this season?

Californiaskin wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:....every catagory. Except tds.......dude is playing better football this year......its not the qb........if the d could get off the field wed score more tds! By far the best player on our O right now.

Ok, hold on.......



Just a second..........



Ah yes, our fearless QB accumulating a bottom 5 scoring offense. Yeah, he is just awesome.

Again with your stats. When will you learn that stats don't win games.....

those are cool emoticins there markshark.......soups our best offensive player right now.....couple of td strikes this past week......we should bootleg him more ala joe thiesman at the goal line cuz clinton cant score!

Sorry, it is still funny to hear that JC is our best offensive player -- especially when he is the "leader" of a bottom 5 offense -- and when a good number of commentators/former players have said he is one of the major problems.

I could say tons on CP's issues but I have covered them in the "CP is done" thread. So you can look there if you want.