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After falling on the sword last week and being the target for all the criticism, Campbell came out ready to play. He moved the ball very well yesterday and when a play needed to be made, he did it. Seeing JC rush the ball for 28 yards yesterday was a bright spot in our offense. I think out of his 7 runs, 4 or 5 were for 1st downs. Good job. He was 23-35 in passing completing 66% of his passes. That number should be higher since there were 3 or 4 drops in there that were sure big plays or TD's.

Given the lack of trust of your head coach, great job of keeping this team in the game and I would say that you should be complemented for your efforts. For this week, I think the skeptic's will be off your back.

Here come's the Lions.

frankcal20 wrote:After falling on the sword last week and being the target for all the criticism, Campbell came out ready to play. He moved the ball very well yesterday and when a play needed to be made, he did it. Seeing JC rush the ball for 28 yards yesterday was a bright spot in our offense. I think out of his 7 runs, 4 or 5 were for 1st downs. Good job. He was 23-35 in passing completing 66% of his passes. That number should be higher since there were 3 or 4 drops in there that were sure big plays or TD's.

Given the lack of trust of your head coach, great job of keeping this team in the game and I would say that you should be complemented for your efforts. For this week, I think the skeptic's will be off your back.

Here come's the Lions.

You watched a different game they me Frank...and don't think for one second that the Lions don't smell blood in the water??

He moved the ball very well yesterday and when a play needed to be made, he did it.

Like when he missed Malcolm Kelly on the first play of the game for what would have been a likely td? JC was better than last week but he was the qb of an offense that scored ZERO touchdowns against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Given the lack of trust of your head coach

And who's fault is that?? I certainly cant blame Zorn for not trusting JC.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Given the lack of trust of your head coach

And who's fault is that?? I certainly cant blame Zorn for not trusting JC.

It's ironic...Zorn is coaching to not lose his job and it going to cost him his job.

I'm not going to kill the guy b/c he was asked to throw the ball deep on the 1st play of the game. If you've ever played QB, you know that you need to get in a rhythm first. In pregame, no player is whipping the ball downfield 50 yards yet. It's harder than you think. I like the play call, just not on the first play and more than anything, that play was more of a set up than one to be completed. In a perfect world, the pass would have been on target in full stride and Kelly would have scored but it's not. The hope of the play is that the CB would open things up and give Kelly some space for the remainder of the game.

** Regarding the Lions, I do worry about them but I know that our defense is going to make some plays there too. We had 3 turn overs yesterday that were inches from happening. A rookie QB seeing a ton of pressure, I'm not too concerned and I think our D Line will get some more pressure as well. They have played as a full unit for two weeks now and continuity is only going to make them stronger.

Gaining trust in your Coach is developed over time. Understanding the offense and making plays helps gain trust from your coach. Campbell made good decisions yesterday, did not turn the ball over and also, you have to think that the plays that Zorn are calling and them not being effective will only help maybe open things up a little as well. You are not given trust. You have to earn it and I think each week, he does.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Given the lack of trust of your head coach

And who's fault is that?? I certainly cant blame Zorn for not trusting JC.

Why not, I don't think JC's done that bad. Certainly not bad enough to warrant distrust from an unproven HC/playcaller.

I think if he were turning the ball over. Throwing to the wrong player, etc then you loose trust but he seems to make good decisions.

JC did ok yesterday. He didn't hurt the team. He moved the team into the red zone three or four times right? You can't really fault him for the play calls once they were down there or the dropped passes in the end zone that should have been touchdowns. And you do have to give him credit for keeping a couple drives alive by scrambling. That was good to see.

I kind of agree with CanesSkin though about that first pass to Kelly. That was ugly! First pass of the game. You have to figure that they practiced that play a bunch of times this week. That should have been an easy completion.

Something just isn't right with our offense and hasn't been right for a long time. Freaking Tony Romo threw 3 INTS and 113 yards last night and the Cowboys STILL put up 30 points on the GIANTS.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

He moved the ball very well yesterday and when a play needed to be made, he did it.

Like when he missed Malcolm Kelly on the first play of the game for what would have been a likely td? JC was better than last week but he was the qb of an offense that scored ZERO touchdowns against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Good QB's never miss receivers, right? Sure, I recognize that JC is struggling on the long passes, but to just point out a few misses and completely ignore the completed passes that were on the money is crazy. I mean, you're right, the lack of TD's is clearly JC's fault, especially when he hits two different receivers in the hands for sure TD's.

I'll tell you one thing. Campbell sure as heck doesn't miss ey! Those guys are always on point for some reason.

Sure, I recognize that JC is struggling on the long passes,

And that's a HUGE problem. Defenses are going to continue to stack the box and take away the running game until JC starts hitting on these deep passes. An NFL qb should be able to hit an open receiver down the field.

frankcal20 wrote:I think if he were turning the ball over. Throwing to the wrong player, etc then you loose trust but he seems to make good decisions.

The obsession with turnovers is absurd. Turnovers happen in the NFL. Last season Philip Rivers threw 11 picks, Warner 14, Brees 17, Peyton Manning 12, Tony Romo 14, and Aaron Rodgers had 13. Lack of int's doesn't matter at all if a qb is afraid to take chances and make plays, which is exactly what we see with JC.

I had an epiphany yesterday which made it very clear in my mind that the problems with this team are not on the field but on the sideline with a coach who clearly is not up to the job.

Problem is, Campbell will be thrown out with Zorn and then what? Bill Cower or Mike Shanahan and who?

cleg wrote:I had an epiphany yesterday which made it very clear in my mind that the problems with this team are not on the field but on the sideline with a coach who clearly is not up to the job.

Problem is, Campbell will be thrown out with Zorn and then what? Bill Cower or Mike Shanahan and who?

Sam Braford, Colt McCoy, or Jevon Snead. Take your pick.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Sure, I recognize that JC is struggling on the long passes,

And that's a HUGE problem. Defenses are going to continue to stack the box and take away the running game until JC starts hitting on these deep passes. An NFL qb should be able to hit an open receiver down the field.

I agree, they should. I actually wonder what the league completion percentage is beyond 20 yards. JC doesn't come close, I know. It's funny though, I heard Malcolm Kelly say on the Post Game show that JC and the receivers have been staying late after practice to work on the deep routes and deep passes specifically. So I hope that aspect of the offense can improve. We'll see though...

riggofan wrote:I'll tell you one thing. Campbell sure as heck doesn't miss ey! Those guys are always on point for some reason.

That's because ey can actually catch a ball. He may fumble afterwards though, but he catches it.

brad7686 wrote:

riggofan wrote:I'll tell you one thing. Campbell sure as heck doesn't miss ey! Those guys are always on point for some reason.

That's because ey can actually catch a ball. He may fumble afterwards though, but he catches it.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

cleg wrote:I had an epiphany yesterday which made it very clear in my mind that the problems with this team are not on the field but on the sideline with a coach who clearly is not up to the job.

Problem is, Campbell will be thrown out with Zorn and then what? Bill Cower or Mike Shanahan and who?

Sam Braford, Colt McCoy, or Jevon Snead. Take your pick.

Will they be available in the 10-15 pick range because that's about where we will end up with another 7-9, 8-8 season.

cleg wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

cleg wrote:I had an epiphany yesterday which made it very clear in my mind that the problems with this team are not on the field but on the sideline with a coach who clearly is not up to the job.

Problem is, Campbell will be thrown out with Zorn and then what? Bill Cower or Mike Shanahan and who?

Sam Braford, Colt McCoy, or Jevon Snead. Take your pick.

Will they be available in the 10-15 pick range because that's about where we will end up with another 7-9, 8-8 season.

I think that McCoy and Snead will be. Bradford most likely wont.

He certainly was much better yesterday, which is to be expected since he played a much worse team and actually had time to throw on occasion. I suppose if anyone on the team could catch there would be a lot less people on his back this week. He did underthrow the opening pass to Kelly, which some people have claimed to be an "automatic touchdown" when there was almost certainly a safety over the top. And there was a pass to Thomas that led him out of bounds. But other than that he threw the ball pretty well I thought.

I think it maybe Bradford, he's hurt and it will drop his stock come draft time, even if he gets good.

Why does it matter. We have a very good QB here. JC has the #12 QB rating. He's #7 in completion percentage and 14th in yards. 14th in yards per attempt. He's #3 in rushing at the QB position.

HE'S NOT AWFUL!!!!!

I don't know why we are talking about drafting a QB in the 1st round. That's just ridiculous in my opinion. Give the guy a break. He's good but going to get better with better play calling and better execution of the plays that are being called because at the end of the day, it's about beating the man in front of you. And we don't do that often.

frankcal20 wrote: it's about beating the man in front of you. And we don't do that often.

After watching the pies plow through the Giants D-line last night i have to think you have a point. A couple guys were out, but still. The skins Oline got owned vs. the run and the pass last week.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

He moved the ball very well yesterday and when a play needed to be made, he did it.

Like when he missed Malcolm Kelly on the first play of the game for what would have been a likely td? JC was better than last week but he was the qb of an offense that scored ZERO touchdowns against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

I don't believe that JC was at fault (not a big supporter of him have been very critical) two td passes were dropped, moss fumbled, and a gadget play didn't work. It may not have or should have been 28-7, but possible 17-0. I agree with most if the skins play like this next week they will lose. The Lions have lost 20 or 21 straight games and the skins always find a way to be in the record books for a negative. All the cards are stacked up against the skins. I think this game might define the season, playing a team that is playing better and searching for a win. Those teams are sometimes harder to beat than the best in the NFL.