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Jason Campbell needs a good season. With an above average year he'll get a lucrative contract extension. Anything less and he gets shown the door and is a career backup... it's that critical.

That said:

Boy, Jason Campbell really crapped the bed this afternoon.

He dropped back so far than on many plays he was outside the pocket putting himself in danger of a BIG sack, especially on his boneheaded fumble. His total lack of awareness in the pocket and poor mechanics (you cannot hold the ball at arms length behind you in the NFL) led directly to losing the ball there. He also fumbled a shotgun snap that hit him in the chest.

Also, JC made some bad mistakes with the football. That throw he made over the line of scrimmage that got picked was inexcusable on both counts.

Did anyone notice that audible Campbell made on 3rd and 8 where he called that running play that was stuffed? Aikman and Buck were utterly perplexed that anyone would call that play at the line.

Anyone who knows anything about me at all on this board knows I have always been a Jason Campbell supporter... and the Giants are a great team... but it was absolutely clear that Campbell was not comfortable and he absolutely cost us a shot to win. From what we saw today the front office was totally vindicated in frantically looking for an upgrade this offseason, we pushed hard after THREE quarterbacks this year. I feel like I should have seen the writing on the wall.

Obviously Todd Collins is not the answer and Colt is hurt so at least for this season JC is driving. I still have faith in his abilities but after today it's tough not to question his heart and decision making. We had a real chance to win today, and Campbell prevented that from happening.

Lets face it. JC is horrible. I agree with what you said about the game. I hope he is put on the bench. He gives us zero chance of competing in the division.

'55...I found myself wishing we had found a way to keep Chase in the fold.
Campbell has had four years to get the basics down. In this brave new world of Flacco, Matt Ryan and maybe even Sanchez, newer QB's are showing how hard it isn't to make the adjustment from college to NFL...and our QB looks like he's still surprised he made it.

So far, it breaks him.

I'm starting the Jeff Garcia to the Skins bandwagon. I can't watch this anymore. At least Garcia can run out of Jim Zorn's ridiculous play calls.

Yall are wayyyyyy late, better late than never.

I'm just really worried about the future of the team.

I've been a front office supporter the last few years, I think Vinny's done a good job and Snyder is a pretty good NFL owner but they made a huge mistake IMO by not hiring Fassel.

Jim Fassel is a good coach but there was so much fan backlash against hiring him that Snyder had to quickly promote Zorn to HC and the staff was quickly patched together. Fassel to me looks like the perfect guy to give a second chance to. He's relatively young, has a pretty good track record and seems to have learned a lot from a previous position.

Belichick, Dungy, Carrol, Walsh, Levy and others were not immediate successes at coaching in the NFL and had even better success with their second or even third teams.

One of my biggest fears for the Redskins is that they will get some kind of celebrity coach. Such coaches are set in their ways since they are used to success and refuse to adapt to newer styles of play. That's why there's so much new blood in coaching today.

What the Redskins need is for Snyder to take a hands off approach, find a good football man and give him an iron clad three year contract with a poison pill (golden parachute might be better) in it so we can actually follow through with a three year plan, not put pressure on a first time coach like Zorn to get results or else.

GOOD JOB O-LINE.

I blame the loss on lack of tackling and poor blocking. Our O-line got man handled. J Campbell looked too rattled as well and the WR's didn't do anything to get open except ARE.

tcwest10 wrote:'55...I found myself wishing we had found a way to keep Chase in the fold.
Campbell has had four years to get the basics down. In this brave new world of Flacco, Matt Ryan and maybe even Sanchez, newer QB's are showing how hard it isn't to make the adjustment from college to NFL...and our QB looks like he's still surprised he made it.

I liked Chase too, but it's hard to fault the Skins for preferring Woodson to him. I'm a fan of Woodson's game and I think he has a lot of skill.

Obviously Flacco, Ryan and perhaps Sanchez are talented... but part of that is coaching. The coaching staffs on those teams are doing a good job of making the offense easier on their young quarterbacks and putting them in a position to succeed. Jason Campbell has talent, but when he came to the Skins he ran the scout team instead of practicing in our offense, then Saunders came in with his my way or the highway 700 page playbook, then Zorn comes in with the WCO right from the start without modifying it at all to his QB's strengths...

I'm not absolving JC of responsibility but I can't help but think he would be making better use of his talents with better coaching around him. Ryan, Flacco and Sanchez all had to start right away so maybe those coaches were forced to change, but either way, changes were made and those young QB's are all the better for it.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Yall are wayyyyyy late, better late than never.

I've been here since 2007, but I do like to see a large group coming to their senses.

frankcal20 wrote:GOOD JOB O-LINE.

I blame the loss on lack of tackling and poor blocking. Our O-line got man handled. J Campbell looked too rattled as well and the WR's didn't do anything to get open except ARE.

Are you serious?

Save some face and come to terms with your JC man-crush.

Skinsfan55 wrote:I'm just really worried about the future of the team.

I've been a front office supporter the last few years, I think Vinny's done a good job and Snyder is a pretty good NFL owner but they made a huge mistake IMO by not hiring Fassel.

You do support your claim.

But you know that this statement makes you sound like a crazy person.

markshark84 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:GOOD JOB O-LINE.

I blame the loss on lack of tackling and poor blocking. Our O-line got man handled. J Campbell looked too rattled as well and the WR's didn't do anything to get open except ARE.

Are you serious?

Save some face and come to terms with your JC man-crush.

I think that he did nothing to help us win. I think that a lot of the team did nothing to help us win. The defensive backfield looked awful. Their cushion on the NYG's WR's were at a minimum of 12 yards. That's pathetic. I think that JC should have stepped up when he lost the ball but Samuels also did a poor job of blocking too and got beat straight up. All reviews showed that and pointed it out. The WR's didn't do anything except for ARE and Cooley played well. Everyone else needed to step it up. The team also needs to learn to tackle.

frankcal20 wrote:GOOD JOB O-LINE.

I blame the loss on lack of tackling and poor blocking. Our O-line got man handled. J Campbell looked too rattled as well and the WR's didn't do anything to get open except ARE.

Considering the amazing defensive line that our O-line faced today and the lack of establishing a running game, I don't think they were that bad against the pass rush. The run blocking wasn't very good tho. Particularly the one towards the end if you remember when Heyer didn't even touch Tuck and let him have CP for a big loss. That one stands out for me. Tackling was just pathetic though. I mean the worst I have seen it in a long time. Except for Fletcher. We can always count on him to show up no matter how the rest of the defense plays. Like almost everyone on the boards has said in the off-season ARE is a great slot WR as we expected.

frankcal20 wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:GOOD JOB O-LINE.

I blame the loss on lack of tackling and poor blocking. Our O-line got man handled. J Campbell looked too rattled as well and the WR's didn't do anything to get open except ARE.

Are you serious?

Save some face and come to terms with your JC man-crush.

I think that he did nothing to help us win. I think that a lot of the team did nothing to help us win. The defensive backfield looked awful. Their cushion on the NYG's WR's were at a minimum of 12 yards. That's pathetic. I think that JC should have stepped up when he lost the ball but Samuels also did a poor job of blocking too and got beat straight up. All reviews showed that and pointed it out. The WR's didn't do anything except for ARE and ey played well. Everyone else needed to step it up. The team also needs to learn to tackle.

JC had adequate time in the pocket. That has been a common conclusion.

Defensively, the DL did not get to Manning. That was one of the reasons the DBs didn't play well. But the fact is that this defense gave up only 16 points against a solid offense. JC handed the Giants 7 points. If our defense gives up an average of 16 points per game, I will be happy.

Our OFFENSE scored 10 points today. The only TD was a gift late in the 4th when the game was over. The problem is with our offense and the fact that JC cannot lead it. This has been a common issue for almost half a decade.

Lastly, when you said JC did nothing to help us win.....that is a crazy statement. HE IS THE QB. HE IS ONE OF THE ONLY PLAYERS ON THE FIELD THAT CAN DO THAT OUTRIGHT. HE NEEDS TO STEP UP CONSISTENTLY.

The excuses are over. JC is straight up bad.

MDSKINSFAN wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:GOOD JOB O-LINE.

I blame the loss on lack of tackling and poor blocking. Our O-line got man handled. J Campbell looked too rattled as well and the WR's didn't do anything to get open except ARE.

Considering the amazing defensive line that our O-line faced today and the lack of establishing a running game, I don't think they were that bad against the pass rush. The run blocking wasn't very good tho. Particularly the one towards the end if you remember when Heyer didn't even touch Tuck and let him have CP for a big loss. That one stands out for me. Tackling was just pathetic though. I mean the worst I have seen it in a long time. Except for Fletcher. We can always count on him to show up no matter how the rest of the defense plays. Like almost everyone on the boards has said in the off-season ARE is a great slot WR as we expected.

Two players that ticked me off the most was Landry and Hall. Two guys who talked the most, got burned the most. They did everything they could to avoid contact and whiffed on a several tackles. I like the fact that Blache put in Doughty b/c he's always willing to stick his hat in there. Smoot was abused quite a bit too. Rogers showed up pretty well even though he had 2 int possibilities and missed both. But one could not expect him to make the catch.

Their cushion on the NYG's WR's were at a minimum of 12 yards. That's pathetic.

It really is. That is the most frustrating thing to watch with this defense. None of the WR on the Giants are deserving of a 10-15 yard cushion every play. They don't really have a deep threat, especially against our safeties. I blame Blache for the cushions. It was stupid to call that all the time.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Yall are wayyyyyy late, better late than never.

frankcal20 wrote:GOOD JOB O-LINE.

I blame the loss on lack of tackling and poor blocking. Our O-line got man handled. J Campbell looked too rattled as well and the WR's didn't do anything to get open except ARE.

You are a bunch of pessimists and negative fans.

And it is the first game of the season when the OL is still healthy and complete ...

Nothing like the -RECORD- to show the truth. It is only the first game of the season. I do not know whether to have hope or fear for the remainder 15 games of the season.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Yall are wayyyyyy late, better late than never.

frankcal20 wrote:GOOD JOB O-LINE.

I blame the loss on lack of tackling and poor blocking. Our O-line got man handled. J Campbell looked too rattled as well and the WR's didn't do anything to get open except ARE.

You are a bunch of pessimists and negative fans. :twisted:

And it is the first game of the season when the OL is still healthy and complete ... :roll:

Nothing like the -RECORD- to show the truth. It is only the first game of the season. I do not know whether to have hope or fear for the remainder 15 games of the season. :lol:

RIC - you and I have watched a game in person next to each other. You know I'm straight forward. The execution of the game by both line's was not what it should have been. I'm not expecting us to loose out or anything but I think that this team didn't come ready to play. I think even you would feel this way.

frankcal20 wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Yall are wayyyyyy late, better late than never.

frankcal20 wrote:GOOD JOB O-LINE.

I blame the loss on lack of tackling and poor blocking. Our O-line got man handled. J Campbell looked too rattled as well and the WR's didn't do anything to get open except ARE.

You are a bunch of pessimists and negative fans.

And it is the first game of the season when the OL is still healthy and complete ...

Nothing like the -RECORD- to show the truth. It is only the first game of the season. I do not know whether to have hope or fear for the remainder 15 games of the season.

RIC - you and I have watched a game in person next to each other. You know I'm straight forward. The execution of the game by both line's was not what it should have been. I'm not expecting us to loose out or anything but I think that this team didn't come ready to play. I think even you would feel this way.

I am with you brother. I am being sarcastic. I had hoped the smileys helped.

frankcal20 wrote:

MDSKINSFAN wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:GOOD JOB O-LINE.

I blame the loss on lack of tackling and poor blocking. Our O-line got man handled. J Campbell looked too rattled as well and the WR's didn't do anything to get open except ARE.

Considering the amazing defensive line that our O-line faced today and the lack of establishing a running game, I don't think they were that bad against the pass rush. The run blocking wasn't very good tho. Particularly the one towards the end if you remember when Heyer didn't even touch Tuck and let him have CP for a big loss. That one stands out for me. Tackling was just pathetic though. I mean the worst I have seen it in a long time. Except for Fletcher. We can always count on him to show up no matter how the rest of the defense plays. Like almost everyone on the boards has said in the off-season ARE is a great slot WR as we expected.

Two players that ticked me off the most was Landry and Hall. Two guys who talked the most, got burned the most. They did everything they could to avoid contact and whiffed on a several tackles. I like the fact that Blache put in Doughty b/c he's always willing to stick his hat in there. Smoot was abused quite a bit too. Rogers showed up pretty well even though he had 2 int possibilities and missed both. But one could not expect him to make the catch.

First of all, Hall has talked all off season how he is boxing, training, getting ready to prove that he is still a great CB, and doing all this stuff to make him more physical and durable and that guy shied away from contact all game. Landry and Hall both made 1 good play and they did it at the same time. Landry whiffed on the hit on Boss and had the stupid personal foul against Jacobs. It was frustrating to watch this defense because I don't think they played up to their potential or played like they were advertised to. Lets hope the whole team improves over the next 5 games so we are ready for Philly. We should win 3 or 4 (5 would be really optimistic)out of the next 5 games, and if we don't we aren't a real contender.

Wow this thread has gone way off topic of Jason's make or break year.

JC made a horrible play on the fumble by not stepping up into the pocket. He also made a boneheaded play by throwing the pick after crossing the line of scrimmage, however, after the ball was thrown, the pick was really on Moss, and it was a great play by Webster.

So two really bad plays no doubt. Other than that he played quite well I thought. 19-26 for 211 yards is pretty good. And it's not like he got much help from the running game or Zorn, who continuously called ineffective running plays on 1st and 2nd downs in the second half especially, setting up 3rd and 5 or more. That's putting your QB and offense in a bad position to succeed.

Lets also consider that the Giants are one of the best defenses in the league, and have the best pass rushing front 4 in the league. There were a couple of key plays where Jason had absolutely no chance due to big pressure right up the middle. The play before the fake FG for instance. Jason had no share of the blame for them not getting in the end zone there until the fake. There was an ineffective running play, the WR screen to Moss that lost 2 yards, and a 3rd down play where the O-line let someone come free right up the middle.

Zorn needs to change up the play calling, that's the biggest problem imo.

92 did his part the rest of our D didn't Our O is in peril
no-huddle cld be the answer?


I wouldn't mind if Shanahan was brought in

frankcal20 wrote:Two players that ticked me off the most was Landry and Hall. Two guys who talked the most, got burned the most. They did everything they could to avoid contact and whiffed on a several tackles. I like the fact that Blache put in Doughty b/c he's always willing to stick his hat in there. Smoot was abused quite a bit too. Rogers showed up pretty well even though he had 2 int possibilities and missed both. But one could not expect him to make the catch.

Boss had one catch where Landry was screaming towards him, slightly overran the play and stuck out on arm in a lame attempt to tackle him. It was lazy, weak and embarrassing.

Gibbs4Life wrote:92 did his part the rest of our D didn't Our O is in peril
no-huddle cld be the answer?


I wouldn't mind if Shanahan was brought in

I would.

Shanahan is a solid coach but he's old and set in his ways. The man is great, but he's lost a lot of his creativity and he's no longer an innovator.

I would like to avoid Cowher too, I don't believe his heart would be in the right place for a comeback.

Honestly, Russ Grim is at the top of my list. He's a guy who's got a bright star in the NFL, he's a proud former Redskin and he could make a big difference. He's a strong enough personality to lead the team, but smart enough to delegate responsibilities when needed (I don't see him calling plays or forcing personnel moves.) To me he seems like a really good candidate.