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How do you see it shaping up?

Isn't this the same thing as the last post?

And the answers aren't mutually exclusive.

Deadskins wrote:And the answers aren't mutually exclusive.

Yes, but it should be obvious for example that if you vote for Division Champs instead of NFC title game or Super Bowl that you think they will win the division but not progress to the NFCC or SB.

Tacoma Redskin wrote:

Deadskins wrote:And the answers aren't mutually exclusive.

Yes, but it should be obvious for example that if you vote for Division Champs instead of NFC title game or Super Bowl that you think they will win the division but not progress to the NFCC or SB.

Well then, you left out an entire round of the playoffs.

Wondering why the Skins decided against fielding a professional team this year.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Wondering why the Skins decided against fielding a professional team this year.

Don't expect to be welcomed on the bus when we win the division.

My predictions

Season 8-8 (maybe worse if the OL gets banged up too early)
Zorn = gone next year
Campbell = gone next year (but I think he will go no matter how well he plays)

New head coach - choose from Shanahan, Cowpher, Holmgren
Danny will sell the crown jewels to get us a genuine franchise QB and will fix the OL the way he sorted the defense this year

Result - genuine contenders the following season

I look forward to eating crow in December

Manchester_Redskin wrote:My predictions

Season 8-8 (maybe worse if the OL gets banged up too early)
Zorn = gone next year
Campbell = gone next year (but I think he will go no matter how well he plays)

New head coach - choose from Shanahan, Cowpher, Holmgren
Danny will sell the crown jewels to get us a genuine franchise QB and will fix the OL the way he sorted the defense this year

Result - genuine contenders the following season

I look forward to eating crow in December

Why make predictions if you are 'hoping' you're wrong?

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Manchester_Redskin wrote:My predictions

Season 8-8 (maybe worse if the OL gets banged up too early)
Zorn = gone next year
Campbell = gone next year (but I think he will go no matter how well he plays)

New head coach - choose from Shanahan, Cowpher, Holmgren
Danny will sell the crown jewels to get us a genuine franchise QB and will fix the OL the way he sorted the defense this year

Result - genuine contenders the following season

I look forward to eating crow in December

Why make predictions if you are 'hoping' you're wrong?

because I hope we make the playoffs and beyond this season ... but the poll isnt about what you want, its about what you think will happen

We are super bowl bound!

We are not as good as some here think but IMO we are a lot better team than most NFL fans think

I don't think we end up in the bottom third of the NFL but I would be surprised if we are in the top half - so I'll predict about the 13th or 14th pick in the 2010 draft

SkinsJock* wrote:We are not as good as some here think but IMO we are a lot better team than most NFL fans think

I don't think we end up in the bottom third of the NFL but I would be surprised if we are in the top half - so I'll predict about the 13th or 14th pick in the 2010 draft

So only as good or worse than last year?

Put it down to begining of the season optimism

I think the defense is going to be very good but the offensive line and Campbell are just not making me think we are going to be very effective with the ball. The WRs will make us feel good about our future but the QB and the line are really critical areas to me

I do think that we are a lot better than most other team's fans think we are but we are not good enough offensively to get into the top 16

SkinsJock* wrote:Put it down to begining of the season optimism

I think the defense is going to be very good but the offensive line and Campbell are just not making me think we are going to be very effective with the ball. The WRs will make us feel good about our future but the QB and the line are really critical areas to me

I do think that we are a lot better than most other team's fans think we are but we are not good enough offensively to get into the top 16

I understand, but you don't think there will be any offensive improvement over last year? Dockery over Kendall, better depth at all OL positions, sophomore WRs stepping up, Marko Mitchell's height and athleticism, JC's second year in the system and yearly improvement in his overall numbers, better play-calling and expanded playbook from Zorn, etc. don't give you hope for better production from the offense?

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock* wrote:Put it down to begining of the season optimism

I think the defense is going to be very good but the offensive line and Campbell are just not making me think we are going to be very effective with the ball. The WRs will make us feel good about our future but the QB and the line are really critical areas to me

I do think that we are a lot better than most other team's fans think we are but we are not good enough offensively to get into the top 16

I understand, but you don't think there will be any offensive improvement over last year? Dockery over Kendall, better depth at all OL positions, sophomore WRs stepping up, Marko Mitchell's height and athleticism, JC's second year in the system and yearly improvement in his overall numbers, better play-calling and expanded playbook from Zorn, etc. don't give you hope for better production from the offense?

all great points. I see improvment on both sides of the ball. The real question is if our O can keep up (or our D can keep a lid on) the other higher scoring teams in our division. our D is improved, and our O is improved. will it be enough to make a difference??

Go big or go home.....SUPER BOWL CHAMPS BABY!!!

Deadskins wrote: I understand, but you don't think there will be any offensive improvement over last year? Dockery over Kendall, better depth at all OL positions, sophomore WRs stepping up, Marko Mitchell's height and athleticism, JC's second year in the system and yearly improvement in his overall numbers, better play-calling and expanded playbook from Zorn, etc. don't give you hope for better production from the offense?

I am not really saying that - my concerns are:
1) the offensive line needs time to become a cohesive unit - I just have a hard time believing that we are going to see a really effective offensive line from what we saw last year
2) I think we will see a marked improvement in play and play calling from the QB, the WRs and from Zorn but I don't think that Campbell will suddenly become a really good QB or that the receivers are suddenly going to become really great - or that Zorn will be able to utilize better play calling because Campbell is just not the QB that he (Zorn) needs

So I agree with the assessment that the offense has improved I just think it needs more time and next year we will need to add to the line and find a QB that Zorn trusts to be the leader and play-maker that Campbell is not.

I do like the look of some of our new younger players and hopefully we have Zorn here next year to continue the good work - I wonder if Snyder will keep Zorn if we play well and go 8-8 or 9-7 and do not make the playoffs

SkinsJock wrote:

Deadskins wrote: I understand, but you don't think there will be any offensive improvement over last year? Dockery over Kendall, better depth at all OL positions, sophomore WRs stepping up, Marko Mitchell's height and athleticism, JC's second year in the system and yearly improvement in his overall numbers, better play-calling and expanded playbook from Zorn, etc. don't give you hope for better production from the offense?

I am not really saying that - my concerns are:
1) the offensive line needs time to become a cohesive unit - I just have a hard time believing that we are going to see a really effective offensive line from what we saw last year
2) I think we will see a marked improvement in play and play calling from the QB, the WRs and from Zorn but I don't think that Campbell will suddenly become a really good QB or that the receivers are suddenly going to become really great - or that Zorn will be able to utilize better play calling because Campbell is just not the QB that he (Zorn) needs

So I agree with the assessment that the offense has improved I just think it needs more time and next year we will need to add to the line and find a QB that Zorn trusts to be the leader and play-maker that Campbell is not.

I do like the look of some of our new younger players and hopefully we have Zorn here next year to continue the good work - I wonder if Snyder will keep Zorn if we play well and go 8-8 or 9-7 and do not make the playoffs

The math isn't working for me here. You see some improvement in the O (we agree). You see some improvement in the D (I think the D goes from excellent to dominant, but I guess we can "agree").

The implication here is, the offense will improve in it's ability to move the ball... say an additional two or three 1st downs a game (is that modest enough?). If that's the case, and the Defense improves, resulting in an improvement in starting field position for the Offense, with a handful of defensive scores as a bonus, then how could the record NOT be better???

SkinsJock* wrote:

Deadskins wrote: I understand, but you don't think there will be any offensive improvement over last year? Dockery over Kendall, better depth at all OL positions, sophomore WRs stepping up, Marko Mitchell's height and athleticism, JC's second year in the system and yearly improvement in his overall numbers, better play-calling and expanded playbook from Zorn, etc. don't give you hope for better production from the offense?

I am not really saying that - my concerns are:
1) the offensive line needs time to become a cohesive unit - I just have a hard time believing that we are going to see a really effective offensive line from what we saw last year
2) I think we will see a marked improvement in play and play calling from the QB, the WRs and from Zorn but I don't think that Campbell will suddenly become a really good QB or that the receivers are suddenly going to become really great - or that Zorn will be able to utilize better play calling because Campbell is just not the QB that he (Zorn) needs

1) Dockery is the only difference in this line from last year, and he played here previously at the same position. They looked cohesive to me against some pretty good Ds in the pre-season. If you're comparing the line to the second half of last year, when everyone was injured, then I don't think that's a fair comparison.
2) You think we'll see marked improvement from the QB and WR, but not that they'll suddenly become really good? OK, ignoring the obvious dichotomy there, no one is saying it will be sudden. Gradual improvement is good enough to increase our overall record when coupled with the defensive improvements, isn't it?

I think the record of wins and losses is where we differ - we were certainly not as good as 6-2 and I'll agree we were not as bad as 2-6 - that aside, my calculations are not based on what we did or did not do last year - I am only considering how we will do this year against the NFC East and the other teams - I think we will end up about 8-8 or 9-7 - that is not a lot of improvement considering how good this defense looks

I just cannot see this team with the various offensive issues as being that much better at scoring points - I have a feeling that the defense will be huge but we still have to score points to be considered a top 12 type team - Campbell does not get me excited about being able to do the QB job, sorry

this all goes back to the idea I have that we are better than we were but we are certainly not a whole lot better than the other teams in our division or in the NFL

we continue to be a mediocre franchise

Barely miss playoffs. I agree withe majority.

That is what 8-8 or 9-7 does.

I have started to notice that most of the National people are predicting bad things for the Redskins just because they are the Redskins. Just like Wibon's column where he says he thinks they will be 11-5 except that they are owned by Snyder, therefore they will be 8-8. I guess the only cure will be to win.

I don't see why 10-6 is overly optimistic, with a reasonable shot at 11-5.

Here's why:

The first half schedule is easier than 2008, so it's possible that we see a 6-2 record again in the first half depending on how well we play the Falcons and Panthers. (If we beat the Giants on opening day, we could see an easy 6-2 or even 7-1 start) With Denver @ Wash in game 9 and another win.

Then we have the Cowboys, and we're on a roll, picking up another win.

The final 6 games we split.

Of course, I'm no Campbell fan, but I see an improvement coming offensively ... partly due to better execution from Campbell, combined with better red-zone performance (Kelly, ey, Mitchell) along with more scoring opportunities and a shorter field complements of the defense.

I see the Cowboys as a weaker team this year, offensively, without TO.

I'm still not sold on Philly being a power house either, and I think their defense is slightly weaker without J Johnson and Dawkins, and Vick will be a net minus.

And the Giants are missing Spagnola on D, and Plaxico on O.

Of the teams in the NFC East, I believe the Redskins have made more positive progress compared to the rest, and though most would laugh at the notion, the Redskins have the best D in the east, and as much O talent at the skill positions as anyone. The question mark will be .. can Campbell step up his game.

I think he can. I don't believe he'll ever be a play maker or a guy that scares the opposition, but I think he's got enough weapons to be moderately successful, and a defense that can carry the load.

I find it interesting that a very good player like TO can be considered a distraction and a cancer if he's playing for anyone in our division but he immediately becomes a loss when he leaves that same team - if you read the papers in Dallas OR if you listen to the idiot media types, they are all saying that the pukes are better off without TO - just interesting to this ignorant aussie is all