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The offensive line. They keep hem-hawing around about Campbell and whether or not he's good enough to be a starter on this team when the glaring problem is the offensive line. Give him time and he's as good as any QB. Put a REAL O-line on the field and Portis and Betts will run all over every team. Until we get a decent O-line it's just going to be more of the same ol' same ol' from this team.

grampi wrote:The offensive line. They keep hem-hawing around about Campbell and whether or not he's good enough to be a starter on this team when the glaring problem is the offensive line. Give him time and he's as good as any QB. Put a REAL O-line on the field and Portis and Betts will run all over every team. Until we get a decent O-line it's just going to be more of the same ol' same ol' from this team.

Yep, let's just go buy a real O-line from walmart and solve this issue already. We keep buying that generic crap.

This should be fun!!

Wow, this is new territory to talk over!

Mike Williams
Jeremy Bridges
Derrick Dockery
Edwin Williams
2nd year Rinehart
Devin Clark

Should bolster our line play, plus the others have come into camp lean and mean. I'm optimistic.

Seeing Campbell in his drops he looks like he's coming off his back foot alot quicker, I'm seeing his body control as better than ever, and it wasn't like he was horrible last yr, if I'm not mistaken he was the least intercepted QB in the league which is a great stat. Problem of course was he couldn't throw TD's. Getting Devin and Malcom and Fred contributing could go along way towards getting more points.

The offensive line is our biggest concern going into 09' but its going to take the rest of the offensive players stepping up too.

132

That is the number of Grampi's most recent posts I reviewed before I found one that had anything positive to say about the Redskins.

4

That is the number of Grampi's most recent posts I reviewed before I found one that had anything positive to say about the Eagles.

PulpExposure wrote:Wow, this is new territory to talk over!

Yes, thank you. I was trying to figure out how to put this. And I haven't posted until yesterday for 3 months.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I haven't posted until yesterday for 3 months.

But you've been going at a GSPODS rate since then, to make up for lost time.

Countertrey wrote:132

That is the number of Grampi's most recent posts I reviewed before I found one that had anything positive to say about the Redskins.

4

That is the number of Grampi's most recent posts I reviewed before I found one that had anything positive to say about the Eagles.

This is HIGHLY suspect!!!

grampi wrote:The offensive line. They keep hem-hawing around about Campbell and whether or not he's good enough to be a starter on this team when the glaring problem is the offensive line. Give him time and he's as good as any QB. Put a REAL O-line on the field and Portis and Betts will run all over every team. Until we get a decent O-line it's just going to be more of the same ol' same ol' from this team.

Here's a direct response to your legitimate post. I think that management believes the OL could be good this year and that that is the primary reason they are standing pat.

I also think that management hasn't yet been able to find availabe OL material they like and that that aslo has played a role in their standing pat.

It seems to me that they are counting on Samuels and Thomas to return to past form, that Dockery can stop allowing sacks, and that someone will beat out Heyer, hopefuly Mike Williams, who has the best upside poetential on both a long- term and short- term basis.

I'm pessimistic about all of the above, just as you are, but believe the Skins will have a very good line if management is correct. I think it is correct that Campbell must have a very good line to be effective and that he must also have two of the three young receivers make a breakthrough to be effective..

I hazard a guess that management knows it is playing against long odds but feels it is forced to do so.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

grampi wrote:The offensive line. They keep hem-hawing around about Campbell and whether or not he's good enough to be a starter on this team when the glaring problem is the offensive line. Give him time and he's as good as any QB. Put a REAL O-line on the field and Portis and Betts will run all over every team. Until we get a decent O-line it's just going to be more of the same ol' same ol' from this team.

Here's a direct response to your legitimate post. I think that management believes the OL could be good this year and that that is the primary reason they are standing pat.

I also think that management hasn't yet been able to find availabe OL material they like and that that aslo has played a role in their standing pat.

It seems to me that they are counting on Samuels and Thomas to return to past form, that Dockery can stop allowing sacks, and that someone will beat out Heyer, hopefuly Mike Williams, who has the best upside poetential on both a long- term and short- term basis.

I'm pessimistic about all of the above, just as you are, but believe the Skins will have a very good line if management is correct. I think it is correct that Campbell must have a very good line to be effective and that he must also have two of the three young receivers make a breakthrough to be effective..

I hazard a guess that management knows it is playing against long odds but feels it is forced to do so.

I think Buges has a lot more confidence in Heyer than many people on this board do. No offense, but I trust his judgement over yours on theis issue.

yupchagee wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

grampi wrote:The offensive line. They keep hem-hawing around about Campbell and whether or not he's good enough to be a starter on this team when the glaring problem is the offensive line. Give him time and he's as good as any QB. Put a REAL O-line on the field and Portis and Betts will run all over every team. Until we get a decent O-line it's just going to be more of the same ol' same ol' from this team.

Here's a direct response to your legitimate post. I think that management believes the OL could be good this year and that that is the primary reason they are standing pat.

I also think that management hasn't yet been able to find availabe OL material they like and that that aslo has played a role in their standing pat.

It seems to me that they are counting on Samuels and Thomas to return to past form, that Dockery can stop allowing sacks, and that someone will beat out Heyer, hopefuly Mike Williams, who has the best upside poetential on both a long- term and short- term basis.

I'm pessimistic about all of the above, just as you are, but believe the Skins will have a very good line if management is correct. I think it is correct that Campbell must have a very good line to be effective and that he must also have two of the three young receivers make a breakthrough to be effective..

I hazard a guess that management knows it is playing against long odds but feels it is forced to do so.

I think Buges has a lot more confidence in Heyer than many people on this board do. No offense, but I trust his judgement over yours on theis issue.

They had confidence in Jansen last year too. How did that turn out?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

grampi wrote:The offensive line. They keep hem-hawing around about Campbell and whether or not he's good enough to be a starter on this team when the glaring problem is the offensive line. Give him time and he's as good as any QB. Put a REAL O-line on the field and Portis and Betts will run all over every team. Until we get a decent O-line it's just going to be more of the same ol' same ol' from this team.

Here's a direct response to your legitimate post. I think that management believes the OL could be good this year and that that is the primary reason they are standing pat.

I also think that management hasn't yet been able to find availabe OL material they like and that that aslo has played a role in their standing pat.

It seems to me that they are counting on Samuels and Thomas to return to past form, that Dockery can stop allowing sacks, and that someone will beat out Heyer, hopefuly Mike Williams, who has the best upside poetential on both a long- term and short- term basis.

I'm pessimistic about all of the above, just as you are, but believe the Skins will have a very good line if management is correct. I think it is correct that Campbell must have a very good line to be effective and that he must also have two of the three young receivers make a breakthrough to be effective..

I hazard a guess that management knows it is playing against long odds but feels it is forced to do so.

I think Buges has a lot more confidence in Heyer than many people on this board do. No offense, but I trust his judgement over yours on theis issue.

They had confidence in Jansen last year too. How did that turn out?

With Heyer starting over him week 1.

Deadskins wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

grampi wrote:The offensive line. They keep hem-hawing around about Campbell and whether or not he's good enough to be a starter on this team when the glaring problem is the offensive line. Give him time and he's as good as any QB. Put a REAL O-line on the field and Portis and Betts will run all over every team. Until we get a decent O-line it's just going to be more of the same ol' same ol' from this team.

Here's a direct response to your legitimate post. I think that management believes the OL could be good this year and that that is the primary reason they are standing pat.

I also think that management hasn't yet been able to find availabe OL material they like and that that aslo has played a role in their standing pat.

It seems to me that they are counting on Samuels and Thomas to return to past form, that Dockery can stop allowing sacks, and that someone will beat out Heyer, hopefuly Mike Williams, who has the best upside poetential on both a long- term and short- term basis.

I'm pessimistic about all of the above, just as you are, but believe the Skins will have a very good line if management is correct. I think it is correct that Campbell must have a very good line to be effective and that he must also have two of the three young receivers make a breakthrough to be effective..

I hazard a guess that management knows it is playing against long odds but feels it is forced to do so.

I think Buges has a lot more confidence in Heyer than many people on this board do. No offense, but I trust his judgement over yours on theis issue.

They had confidence in Jansen last year too. How did that turn out?

With Heyer starting over him week 1.

Nice try. The Skins went into camp last year with the idea of Jansen being the starter. It wasn't until late in camp that the team decided to start Heyer over Jansen

crazyhorse1 wrote:

grampi wrote:The offensive line. They keep hem-hawing around about Campbell and whether or not he's good enough to be a starter on this team when the glaring problem is the offensive line. Give him time and he's as good as any QB. Put a REAL O-line on the field and Portis and Betts will run all over every team. Until we get a decent O-line it's just going to be more of the same ol' same ol' from this team.

Here's a direct response to your legitimate post. I think that management believes the OL could be good this year and that that is the primary reason they are standing pat.

I also think that management hasn't yet been able to find availabe OL material they like and that that aslo has played a role in their standing pat.

It seems to me that they are counting on Samuels and Thomas to return to past form, that Dockery can stop allowing sacks, and that someone will beat out Heyer, hopefuly Mike Williams, who has the best upside poetential on both a long- term and short- term basis.

I'm pessimistic about all of the above, just as you are, but believe the Skins will have a very good line if management is correct. I think it is correct that Campbell must have a very good line to be effective and that he must also have two of the three young receivers make a breakthrough to be effective..

I hazard a guess that management knows it is playing against long odds but feels it is forced to do so.

Thanks for the info. It seems like every time I post a question in here about the team, instead of getting useful information, I get bashed for being negative. I guess you and I are some of the few who recognize this team hasn't been all roses and lolipops since '92.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

grampi wrote:The offensive line. They keep hem-hawing around about Campbell and whether or not he's good enough to be a starter on this team when the glaring problem is the offensive line. Give him time and he's as good as any QB. Put a REAL O-line on the field and Portis and Betts will run all over every team. Until we get a decent O-line it's just going to be more of the same ol' same ol' from this team.

Here's a direct response to your legitimate post. I think that management believes the OL could be good this year and that that is the primary reason they are standing pat.

I also think that management hasn't yet been able to find availabe OL material they like and that that aslo has played a role in their standing pat.

It seems to me that they are counting on Samuels and Thomas to return to past form, that Dockery can stop allowing sacks, and that someone will beat out Heyer, hopefuly Mike Williams, who has the best upside poetential on both a long- term and short- term basis.

I'm pessimistic about all of the above, just as you are, but believe the Skins will have a very good line if management is correct. I think it is correct that Campbell must have a very good line to be effective and that he must also have two of the three young receivers make a breakthrough to be effective..

I hazard a guess that management knows it is playing against long odds but feels it is forced to do so.

I think Buges has a lot more confidence in Heyer than many people on this board do. No offense, but I trust his judgement over yours on theis issue.

They had confidence in Jansen last year too. How did that turn out?

With Heyer starting over him week 1.

Nice try. The Skins went into camp last year with the idea of Jansen being the starter. It wasn't until late in camp that the team decided to start Heyer over Jansen

And that changes things, how? Buges can obviously evaluate the talent he has available, and will make the change if necessary.

The fact is the line was addressed. Just because it wasn't done in the way some people feel it should have been done doesn't change anything. The main issue I see is health. Health is a big IF but IF they stay healthy I think our line will be just fine.

grampi wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

grampi wrote:The offensive line. They keep hem-hawing around about Campbell and whether or not he's good enough to be a starter on this team when the glaring problem is the offensive line. Give him time and he's as good as any QB. Put a REAL O-line on the field and Portis and Betts will run all over every team. Until we get a decent O-line it's just going to be more of the same ol' same ol' from this team.

Here's a direct response to your legitimate post. I think that management believes the OL could be good this year and that that is the primary reason they are standing pat.

I also think that management hasn't yet been able to find availabe OL material they like and that that aslo has played a role in their standing pat.

It seems to me that they are counting on Samuels and Thomas to return to past form, that Dockery can stop allowing sacks, and that someone will beat out Heyer, hopefuly Mike Williams, who has the best upside poetential on both a long- term and short- term basis.

I'm pessimistic about all of the above, just as you are, but believe the Skins will have a very good line if management is correct. I think it is correct that Campbell must have a very good line to be effective and that he must also have two of the three young receivers make a breakthrough to be effective..

I hazard a guess that management knows it is playing against long odds but feels it is forced to do so.

Thanks for the info. It seems like every time I post a question in here about the team, instead of getting useful information, I get bashed for being negative. I guess you and I are some of the few who recognize this team hasn't been all roses and lolipops since '92.

Hey!!! Why the discrimination here???!!! I have earned my stripes too. I am not a member of the lolipop club.

I like the -question- posed by grampi and I agree with the balanced -response- given by crazyhorse1.

I hope that all legitimate questions are treated fairly in this board in the future.

yupchagee wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

grampi wrote:The offensive line. They keep hem-hawing around about Campbell and whether or not he's good enough to be a starter on this team when the glaring problem is the offensive line. Give him time and he's as good as any QB. Put a REAL O-line on the field and Portis and Betts will run all over every team. Until we get a decent O-line it's just going to be more of the same ol' same ol' from this team.

Here's a direct response to your legitimate post. I think that management believes the OL could be good this year and that that is the primary reason they are standing pat.

I also think that management hasn't yet been able to find availabe OL material they like and that that aslo has played a role in their standing pat.

It seems to me that they are counting on Samuels and Thomas to return to past form, that Dockery can stop allowing sacks, and that someone will beat out Heyer, hopefuly Mike Williams, who has the best upside poetential on both a long- term and short- term basis.

I'm pessimistic about all of the above, just as you are, but believe the Skins will have a very good line if management is correct. I think it is correct that Campbell must have a very good line to be effective and that he must also have two of the three young receivers make a breakthrough to be effective..

I hazard a guess that management knows it is playing against long odds but feels it is forced to do so.

I think Buges has a lot more confidence in Heyer than many people on this board do. No offense, but I trust his judgement over yours on theis issue.

I made no judgement about Heyer at all and have no means of personally evatuating Heyer, so purposefully did not and only spoke to what it seemed to me that management thought. Since my post is clear, I assume you read my post with malice toward me personally and that over came your logic. So, I deduct that your hope that I not be offended is either insincere or the product of a lazy mind. Would you like me to speculate on what conditions or behaviors might have caused to make you mind lazy?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

grampi wrote:The offensive line. They keep hem-hawing around about Campbell and whether or not he's good enough to be a starter on this team when the glaring problem is the offensive line. Give him time and he's as good as any QB. Put a REAL O-line on the field and Portis and Betts will run all over every team. Until we get a decent O-line it's just going to be more of the same ol' same ol' from this team.

Here's a direct response to your legitimate post. I think that management believes the OL could be good this year and that that is the primary reason they are standing pat.

I also think that management hasn't yet been able to find available OL material they like and that that aslo has played a role in their standing pat.

It seems to me that they are counting on Samuels and Thomas to return to past form, that Dockery can stop allowing sacks, and that someone will beat out Heyer, hopefuly Mike Williams, who has the best upside poetential on both a long- term and short- term basis.

I'm pessimistic about all of the above, just as you are, but believe the Skins will have a very good line if management is correct. I think it is correct that Campbell must have a very good line to be effective and that he must also have two of the three young receivers make a breakthrough to be effective..

I hazard a guess that management knows it is playing against long odds but feels it is forced to do so.

I think Buges has a lot more confidence in Heyer than many people on this board do. No offense, but I trust his judgement over yours on theis issue.

They had confidence in Jansen last year too. How did that turn out?

Pretty darn good until he got hurt. Having the NFL's leading rusher and a QB playing at a high level. This OL was not as bad as everyone is making it out to be. It isn't like it was Cardinals or Steelers bad, and they seemed to do OK last year.

If anyone argues that those two teams had a better OL they need to go back and watch more football.

Countertrey wrote:132

That is the number of Grampi's most recent posts I reviewed before I found one that had anything positive to say about the Redskins.

4

That is the number of Grampi's most recent posts I reviewed before I found one that had anything positive to say about the Eagles.

I haven't checked Grampi's post at all but all I think that the occuasional pessimistic or even contraian post that is posted is healthy for this board. It seems to me that that is an insistence here on purely optimistic views. I think that is extremely unhealthy. Optimism alone does not win football games or help with analysis anymore than carrying a rabbit's foot. I am reminded that the elders of Troy were actually sure that Apollo would help defend their walls and therefore certain Troy could hold out against the united armies of Greece. They might have made better plans if they could had had Grampi with them.

We have Vinny on our side. Apollo be riddled!

El Mexican wrote:We have Vinny on our side. Apollo be riddled!

We are going to need some Olympians as backups (some might argue starters) in our`OL !!!

Divine intervention, even in mythological proportions, might be certainly needed.

Surprised no one has mentioned the obvious…We already know Snyder wants a new QB and with the numerous big name coaches that are available he decided to not upgrade the OLine so that they will fail and he cam get rid of both

DEHog wrote:Surprised no one has mentioned the obvious…We already know Snyder wants a new QB and with the numerous big name coaches that are available he decided to not upgrade the OLine so that they will fail and he can get rid of both

I don't think that is that "obvious" to many here

I actually think that we had priorities with both lines and could only address the defensive line in a way that made many here happy. Defensively, this team was helped big time, and this could be a huge help to this team. BUT - We all know that there were a number of issues and concerns, offensively here last year - Zorn in his first year, Campbell with yet another offense, receiver issues and age/health/stamina/skill factor with our linemen. None was particularly bad but the offensive line woes were particularly worrisome especially as it contributed to the other areas

I think that the team should have planned better to ensure that what we saw last year, did not happen, but, that is water under the dam.
The team did the best they could given the various obvious factors and the offensive side of the ball is going to have to wait.

I think the team is wishing/hoping/praying for all the best things to happen offensively and then next year we will address what we have to. This could indeed involve the coach, QB and more



as many here know, my complaint with this team is that better management would have addressed these issues sooner