Is Obama a great speaker?

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Bottle of fine win, dim lights, candle light dinner and an Obama speach is the ultimate turn on
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He sounds like a condescending, lecturing, finger waiving know it all to me
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I don't get it. I think he's a horrible speaker. He's a condescending know it all who couldn't buy an original thought. And I'd like to ram his wagging, lecturing finger up his...you know. My apologies to those of you who view me as the voice of balance and reason, but my thought every time Urkel talks is what the heck the love fest is about.
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Your choices don't leave much wiggle room (I assume the fine win is a Redskins' victory over an NFC East rival :twisted:). I particularly hate the way his head constantly swivels from side to side, so I voted for option two.
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to think he is not a great orator is ignoring reality. now if you want to hear a president talk down to you "like a condescending, lecturing, finger waiving know it all" listen to lbj or bush 2. three modern great orators, reagan, clinton, obama
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I thought Bush II was a great speachifier.






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A great reader of the teleprompter, but a terrible public speaker. Can someone please suggest a Toastmasters club for him? He needs to work on reducing his ums, uhs, and ahs.
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Deadskins wrote:Your choices don't leave much wiggle room

Agreed Deadskins, by design. If you give a middle of the road option many people will take that. The idea is to get people to chose. Good polls will be like,

strongly agree - slightly agree - slightly disagree - strongly disagree

People almost never are completely indifferent, but will frequently pick the neutral one anyway telling you nothing. That way you force them to pick a direction. If they truly are neutral and weren't going to pick, they would have told you nothing anyway. If this poll were for a serious reason I'd have given a lean one way or the other, but I thought here it was more fun to give the polars to pick and that's it.
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TincoSkin wrote:to think he is not a great orator is ignoring reality. now if you want to hear a president talk down to you "like a condescending, lecturing, finger waiving know it all" listen to lbj or bush 2. three modern great orators, reagan, clinton, obama

So you don't hear "know it all" in Obama? Seriously? He's a "great orator?"

I haven't watched more then a few minutes of any Presidential speech since Reagan because they all were horrible speakers (Clinton explained below). Obama's annoying just from the snippets. I would not want to be lectured to by any President, no matter their ideology. Particularly someone who's personally accomplished so little in his life as Obama to try to lecture me. He has a track record of a couple years in the Senate voting here and 6 months in the White House of continuing W's policies with the great contribution of renaming them while he did it. Wow.

Clinton's mechanics were good, but he was such a liar. I don't see how you can be a "great orator" if no one can believe a word you say. But I at least understand what you're saying there. You have to explain to me more on Obama though.
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NC43Hog wrote:I thought Bush II was a great speachifier.






If content didn't matter. :wink:

His deer in the headlight's stare was classic. But the worst to me as you mention was his content. He talked about things like small and responsible government while endlessly, recklessly growing it. I watched like 15 minutes of a speech after 9/11 and that was all I could take for the rest of his presidency.
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REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:A great reader of the teleprompter

Is he? He doesn't come across as arrogant and condescending to you? The so far in his life master of no knowledge and achiever of no personal deeds?
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Hahaha ... man do I love what losing does to you people
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Fios wrote:Hahaha ... man do I love what losing does to you people

The problem being that I was going to lose no matter what happened. The election was over the Warden, liberty wasn't even on the ballot. Which is my deepest frustration. I wish I could just belong to a party and win or lose elections rather then go into elections with the only questions being how much worse is it going to get.
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Most politicians have there speeches prepared by someone else anyways.

There is nothing new here. Your anger is just plain hate for the guy. It has not even been a full year yet.

How about creating some posts with solutions. Maybe more people would read and listen. Instead it is just a whiny and bitchy post. No one enjoys these at all. Seriously.
Write some posts with sound ideas and a sound ideology.

The Countrys Economly is in the crapper and your attitude is a we are all doomed attitude. You wont kill my spirit, I guarantee that.
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HEROHAMO wrote:Your anger

What "anger?" Sorry, you lost me dude.
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Fios wrote:Hahaha ... man do I love what losing does to you people


Others lost too... they just haven't figured it out, yet.
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:A great reader of the teleprompter

Is he? He doesn't come across as arrogant and condescending to you? The so far in his life master of no knowledge and achiever of no personal deeds?


I wasn't clear with my point. Without a script or teleprompter, he sounds like a total twit, on par with W. For such a historic, and incredible president, if he ain't scripted, he sounds awful.

That being said, his scripts are incredibly arrogant and condescending. :)

...and he never gives a definitive answer, on anything.
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REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:I wasn't clear with my point. Without a script or teleprompter, he sounds like a total twit, on par with W. For such a historic, and incredible president, if he ain't scripted, he sounds awful.

That being said, his scripts are incredibly arrogant and condescending. :)

...and he never gives a definitive answer, on anything.

OK, that makes sense. With a script I'd have to say Obama is better then W with a script, but that's such an incredibly low hurdle...
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:Your anger

What "anger?" Sorry, you lost me dude.



You created a thread with the question. Do you think Obama is a great speaker. Your choices seemed to come from an emotion of frustation or a dislike. So of course I think you hate the guy.

But, to answer your question. Hmmm....
Do I really feel he is sincere? Do I believe Obama really means what he says? I actually do.

Do I believe he is taking the right approach to solve the current situation. So far NO.Even though a man cares and he still makes the wrong descisions in ignorance it is still wrong either way. That is the way I see it with him. He cares for the people and hopes but I do not necessarily think he is making the right choices. In fact so far not good.

But he is still our President and can greatly affect our lives with the laws that come to pass. So believe me when I say I "HOPE" he gets it right. For our Countrys sake.
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HEROHAMO wrote:So believe me when I say I "HOPE" he gets it right.


HH, did you vote for the guy? If so, were you "hoping" you made the right decision, or where you caught up in the hype.

"hoping" he gets it right doesn't sound like you're very confident in the guy. My 2 cents

I did not vote for him, but I do pray for him, like you've said, "for our country's sake".

For those who are convinced he's a great orator, I will pray that his telprompter never permanently breaks down. Otherwise, his goose is cooked. :P
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REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:So believe me when I say I "HOPE" he gets it right.


HH, did you vote for the guy? If so, were you "hoping" you made the right decision, or where you caught up in the hype.

"hoping" he gets it right doesn't sound like you're very confident in the guy. My 2 cents

I did not vote for him, but I do pray for him, like you've said, "for our country's sake".

For those who are convinced he's a great orator, I will pray that his telprompter never permanently breaks down. Otherwise, his goose is cooked. :P


I did not vote for him. My candidate did not make it that far. :D
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HEROHAMO wrote:Your choices seemed to come from an emotion of frustation or a dislike. So of course I think you hate the guy

Calm down, why are you so angry, my friend? It's OK, people can disagree. It's not a problem. I don't mean to cause a coronary or anything. Be still your raging heart, I don't "hate" Obama. I think he's a useless lying of sack of crap lawyer. But hey, they all are, it doesn't make him special. Chill dude, chill.

HEROHAMO wrote:But, to answer your question. Hmmm....
Do I really feel he is sincere? Do I believe Obama really means what he says? I actually do.

Um..no...that's not the question.
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Fios wrote:Hahaha ... man do I love what losing does to you people

So far the poll's showing it to be the other way around, you're over-reading your win. I like how you slipped in that I'm a Republican though. I've never heard that one before. :roll:

Though of course I would pick Republicans over Democrats if I really were forced to chose. The difference being that while they pursue the same objectives, the Democrats are more like a malignant tumor and the Republicans are more of a giant sack of puss. Nothing you'd ever chose, but they won't kill you as fast.
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My loyalty is to this Country.

Whoever the President may be? I still hope they do a good job. Democrat, Republican, Independent or even a radical. It is the welfare of each American citizen that I care about. You and me. You can believe that if you want to but it is true.

I want the President to succeed for our Country's sake. I do not want him to fail just so my political party can gain power.

I want this Liberal Democratic President to succeed. Because I am first and foremost an American.
That in no way changes my conservative beliefs.

You see if our President fails there is a possibility of disaster for our Country maybe the World. We have enemy's overseas Iran, North Korea and Iraq. Our economy is horrible. It is imperative that this President succeeds. More now then ever.

You see you are a smart guy. But, all I ever seem to read from you is sarcasm and negativity when it comes to the political stuff. I bet if you wrote an article on how to better this country it would make alot of sense. That I would love to read Kazoo.
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HEROHAMO wrote:My loyalty is to this Country.

Whoever the President may be? I still hope they do a good job. Democrat, Republican, Independent or even a radical. It is the welfare of each American citizen that I care about. You and me. You can believe that if you want to but it is true.

I want the President to succeed for our Country's sake. I do not want him to fail just so my political party can gain power.

I want this Liberal Democratic President to succeed. Because I am first and foremost an American.
That in no way changes my conservative beliefs.

You see if our President fails there is a possibility of disaster for our Country maybe the World. We have enemy's overseas Iran, North Korea and Iraq. Our economy is horrible. It is imperative that this President succeeds. More now then ever.

You see you are a smart guy. But, all I ever seem to read from you is sarcasm and negativity when it comes to the political stuff. I bet if you wrote an article on how to better this country it would make alot of sense. That I would love to read Kazoo.


I agree with your theory even though the principle may be different. Bettering our Country is up for interpretation. If Obama fails on some his tasks then the Country just may be better off and vice versa. Example: If he succeeds with his healthcare "reform" then the Country may be worse off than if he doesn't achieve his goal. I do not affiliate with any party and I have to struggle to keep that status as people most people believe that you have to be associated with a major political party. Example: If someone asks if I am a republican and I say no they automatically assume I am a democrat. I believe in Independent thinking and there aren't a lot of independent thinkers in DC; they are mostly sheep that are lead by a few shepherds.
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Obama, McCain, Mickey Mouse, Superman, Batman.. no matter who was voted the president, we'd ALL find something to rip him about. He may be arrogant and all, but I'd rather have arrogant over "just plain dumb" anyday. Like I said before though friends, its still early so lets just wait and HOPE/PRAY that things work out for America (totally frustrated with the rest of the world).. FINALLY

To answer the question though, yea.. dude can preach a hole in your head :lol:
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you are all missing the point. all politics aside, whether you believe the guy or not, he is a powerful speaker. he moves people. he is a great orator.

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