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i say they should just let him play. He served his time. Theres no need to further his suspension

Glad to hear it. Hopefully he keeps his head down and does the right thing.

Seems like they are hamstringing him for this season. He can participate in practices, but can't play until week six. I guess it's a start.

ChocolateMilk wrote:
i say they should just let him play. He served his time. Theres no need to further his suspension

Perhaps they should "just let him play"...

however, he has not "served his time" until his probation is done. That is almost 3 years, btw. Until that time, one slip up, and he could head back to jail to finish his sentence. Keep in mind, the judge who would make that call is the same one who exceeded the sentencing recommendation of the US Attorney who handled the prosecution. You can bet that, if Vick messes up, he will be in deep trouble.

Any team that picks him up must also keep that in mind.

OTOH, it is powerful motivation to stay on the straight and narrow.

I'm glad he's back in the NFL at least. No matter what we think, time served or not, at least he can sign with a team and start to get his mind focused. 4-6 games, whatever amount of games, doesn't matter to me at least he'll be there.

Edit: CT that wasn't towards you bro, just saying in general

...and I like that he has Dungy as a mentor. I don't think I've ever heard anything bad about that guy. Regardless of what has happened, I wish Vick the best. Rehabilitation is the focus of incarceration, not punishment IMO and he's smart and young enough to do it!

VetSkinsFan wrote:...and I like that he has Dungy as a mentor.

Yeah, I was happy to hear that, too. I am really hoping that it's more than a publicity stunt for Michael. Whether he makes it back in the NFL is a small issue compared to getting his life on track. Hopefully he and Dungy form a life-long relationship.

I'm a VT grad and was a huge Vick fan. Even starting to imagine the brutality of starving and brutally training dogs to go into a pit and tear each other to shreds is almost unfathomable to me and I can't believe actually seeing it wouldn't be exponentially worse.

That Vick did that and actually owned and funded it and a few apologies and 18 months in prison changes nothing. No one could change from that level of deprativity in such a short time issuing nothing but any statement any lawyer would tell him to say.

I hope the NFL never lets him play. He has such serious personal issues, lining up behind center and playing a game for entertainment because he is good at it is irrelevant and is a horrible statement about the NFL that they would let him do so. He should focus on becoming a human being, not playing a game.

We're beyond that stage...he's now partially reinstated and as long as he keeps his nose clean, he's going to play again.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I hope the NFL never lets him play. He has such serious personal issues, lining up behind center and playing a game for entertainment because he is good at it is irrelevant and is a horrible statement about the NFL that they would let him do so. He should focus on becoming a human being, not playing a game.

Stuff like this makes me thankful that I don't put my faith into other people. Neither you or I truly know what's in that mans thoughts or heart.

Chris Luva Luva wrote::roll:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I hope the NFL never lets him play. He has such serious personal issues, lining up behind center and playing a game for entertainment because he is good at it is irrelevant and is a horrible statement about the NFL that they would let him do so. He should focus on becoming a human being, not playing a game.

Stuff like this makes me thankful that I don't put my faith into other people. Neither you or I truly know what's in that mans thoughts or heart.

Well said.

Chris Luva Luva wrote::roll:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I hope the NFL never lets him play. He has such serious personal issues, lining up behind center and playing a game for entertainment because he is good at it is irrelevant and is a horrible statement about the NFL that they would let him do so. He should focus on becoming a human being, not playing a game.

Stuff like this makes me thankful that I don't put my faith into other people. Neither you or I truly know what's in that mans thoughts or heart.

OK, let me see if I have this straight. I'm not allowed to have any opinion on anyone or what they did and express it on any topic ever because I don't know what's in their heart.

Seriously? Do you practice that in your personal life? I've not seen you follow your own rule so far, Chris. Seriously. If this is your rule, why don't you start by practicing it? Example, do you know what's in Danny's heart? Do you follow this rule there?

BTW, good luck posting on message boards and enforcing that rule.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote::roll:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I hope the NFL never lets him play. He has such serious personal issues, lining up behind center and playing a game for entertainment because he is good at it is irrelevant and is a horrible statement about the NFL that they would let him do so. He should focus on becoming a human being, not playing a game.

Stuff like this makes me thankful that I don't put my faith into other people. Neither you or I truly know what's in that mans thoughts or heart.

Well said.

At least his ridiculous point against expressing opinions on message boards was original...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'm not allowed to have any opinion on anyone or what they did and express it on any topic ever because I don't know what's in their heart.

You can have whatever opinion you want. I don't care, just thankful I don't have someone like you judging me.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Seriously?

Yes.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Do you practice that in your personal life?

I try my best to. I think my THN fam that knows and have met met personally have a good feel for the type of person I am. I don't like to talk about myself but I'm reserved and show a lot of humility.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I've not seen you follow your own rule so far, Chris.

You're confusing my online persona with real life. You don't know me and I understand that. For that reason it doesn't bother me that you're questioning how I conduct myself when it comes to forgiving people.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:BTW, good luck posting on message boards and enforcing that rule.

Enforce? This isn't a THN rule. It's just my own personal feelings.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:At least his ridiculous point against expressing opinions on message boards was original...

You sound really salty bro, . Do you need to hug it up or something? Jeez. You can say wahtever you want within the confines of the rules of this site.

But when you're saying some of the stuff you are, don't get mad when people check you on it. Thankfully most negative opinions on the internet are in the minority.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:You sound really salty bro, . Do you need to hug it up or something? Jeez. You can say wahtever you want within the confines of the rules of this site.

But when you're saying some of the stuff you are, don't get mad when people check you on it. Thankfully most negative opinions on the internet are in the minority.

Now see, you were doing so well until you got to this part, then you started judging...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:You sound really salty bro, . Do you need to hug it up or something? Jeez. You can say wahtever you want within the confines of the rules of this site.

But when you're saying some of the stuff you are, don't get mad when people check you on it. Thankfully most negative opinions on the internet are in the minority.

Now see, you were doing so well until you got to this part, then you started judging...

What's wrong with asking if you need a hug? Do you need a hug? I'll give you a hug if you need one. Jake will give you a hug too, plus he can vouch for my extreme sense of sarcasm. I mean, you're the one droning on and on about how I've somehow insinuated that your opinion is not allowed. It's most definitely allowed but if it comes off as harsh, over bearing, ridiculous or mal content, then I have every right to express that feeling as long as I'm not personally attacking you. Which I'm not. Plus I offered you a hug. People who personally attack don't offer hugs.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I mean, you're the one droning on and on...

Your hypocrisy meter's busted dude. I'm just saying...

Anyway, why are you so angry about this? I just had an opinion and expressed it on a message board. Why does that make you so mad? I didn't mean to tee you off like that. Really, I just meant to say my opinion, not make you so irate. Calm down why don't you? Get a grip...This paragraph was as stupid as your saying I was "mad." Address my points, don't tell me how I "feel."

But back to the discussion, I have a serious question. Suppose someone was convicted of child molesting and in 18 months had said they were sorry, would you have the same attitude? What if someone was was firebombing black churches, said "sorry" and was back in 18 months to play in the NFL. Would you have the same opinion? Would you have that opinion for all crimes? We can't say they were such scum sucking swill 18 months ago we can't believe they shouldn't be playing in the NFL right now?

I still read your sig and crack up at your whole argument.

Vick did his time for the crime. He's working to get his life back in order.

If there's money to be made off of his public persona and his athleticism, some team owner/s will make money off of it, and he should, like any other player in the NFL, be entitled to get paid, so long as he has the commisioner's approval to play.

That has been decided in his favor. Let the man earn his spot back.

What more does he have to lose? He could end up being out of shape like Mo Clarrett was when he went to the Broncos and be out of the NFL again by the end of training camp.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Would you have that opinion for all crimes?

Apples to Oranges.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Would you have that opinion for all crimes?

Apples to Oranges.

What about you Kazoo...any thoughts on Stallworth and Little??

DEHog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Would you have that opinion for all crimes?

Apples to Oranges.

What about you Kazoo...any thoughts on Stallworth and Little??

Dogs > Humans, backwards world.

Well, Kaz might think Stallworth, Little, Ray Lewis (sorry CLL ) shouldn't be allowed back in the league, either. In that case he could at least be consistent. . . .but that wouldn't make him right.

Irn-Bru wrote:Well, Kaz might think Stallworth, Little, Ray Lewis (sorry CLL ) shouldn't be allowed back in the league, either. In that case he could at least be consistent. . . .but that wouldn't make him right.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Would you have that opinion for all crimes?

Apples to Oranges.

Bam! Now that's what I'm talking about. Thank you for demonstrating my point. The issue never was that I'm "judging" the issue is your own assessment of the crime. It's "judging" if the crime isn't a big deal to you, if it is a big deal it's "apples to oranges."

At least I'm consistent, I wouldn't want any of those "people" reinstated.

DEHog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Would you have that opinion for all crimes?

Apples to Oranges.

What about you Kazoo...any thoughts on Stallworth and Little??

Well, in the cases I raised, dog fighting, fire bombing, child molesting, the crime itself was repeated (I intentionally used plurals) and planned. In the DUIs while it was reckless they didn't set out to kill. So to me, it's more plausible they could more quickly realize the horrible crime they committed. It's the extreme heinousness of the former cases that makes it impossible to believe anyone could have dramatically changed in 18 months.

However, they were extremely reckless and lives were actually lost. I think also that our tolerance for that sort of thing needs to go down. In the old days, drinking and driving was considered more of a slap on the wrist crime and not dealt with so seriously. With the increasing traffic and awareness of the reality that people die and it's serious to do, I have a harder and harder time accepting that it wasn't so reckless the difference fades.

So no way to me it would be automatic the manslaughter would get a pass. But it would be plausible in 18 months whereas dog fighting, child molesting or firebombing churches would be impossible.