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Redskins select Jarmon in supplemental draft

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 16, 2009 1:49 PM ET
The Redskins bolstered their defensive line depth Thursday, selecting Kentucky defensive end Jeremy Jarmon in the third round of the supplemental draft.

Washington, never known to hold on to future picks too tightly, will give up their 2010 third round pick for the right to select Jarmon.

Jarmon would have been a senior, but was suspended for testing positive for a banned substance. He has ideal pro size and could be a good run stopper.

Washington is thin at defensive end, so Jarmon could compete for significant snaps right away.

Playing alongside Albert Haynesworth certainly won't hurt Jarmon's chances for making an immediate impact.

Jarmon is the first player selected in this year's supplemental draft and potentially could be the last.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... tal-draft/

Interesting pick, although I think a round or 2 too high. My sons are or have gone to UK & They seem high on him.

yupchagee wrote:Interesting pick, although I think a round or 2 too high. My sons are or have gone to UK & They seem high on him.

Would like to have seen them get him lower as well. The quotes from the Post prior to the draft had their expert saying he would go no later than the third, possibly as high as a second. So the third is about what the "expert" was expecting.

Does anyone know anything about this guy? Sounds like a run stopper in the Phillip Daniels mode. If he can provide insurance against injury/age for Daniels, then be a regular next year this would be good. You only need to look at the Giants to know what you can do if you have a lot of good, young D-linemen.

6'3" 277#...that's a nice size according to UK athletics site. I don't like that we gave up a 3rd round in next year's draft, though. With Buzbee and Daniels back and drafting Orakpo in the first round, it'll be interesting to see how this all lays out.

I kinda feel bad for him reading about his supplement suspension:

The 6-foot-3, 278-pound Jarmon left Kentucky because he was declared ineligible for his senior year because of a failed drug test after testing positive for a banned diuretic supplement.

Jarmon fits perfectly in a 4-3 defense. He can play end or tackle.

Jarmon took the supplement while recovering from a shoulder injury and was not taking part in activities. He had been taking the supplement for 15 days before checking with the training staff, who told him to stop taking it.

"But it was too late," Jarmon said, reading from a prepared statement in May.

Jarmon said his goal in the offseason was to become leaner. He bought a dietary supplement while shopping for vitamins on the recommendation of a worker at a nutrition store, not knowing that it contained a banned substance.

"I do not need to cheat to be successful," he said.

That's rough, if true. Let's hope it puts a huge chip on his shoulder and he shows up here with something to prove.

Too bad he's not an offensive lineman.

Why should we be upset about "losing" our third round pick. Wouldn't we have used it to draft a player?

Isn't that what we just did? You can argue about whether it's too high or not, but we didn't just lose a pick. We used a pick (something we tend not to do).

And the silver lining, some tangible news in the middle of the July football doldrums..

Skeletor wrote:Why should we be upset about "losing" our third round pick. Wouldn't we have used it to draft a player?

Isn't that what we just did? You can argue about whether it's too high or not, but we didn't just lose a pick. We used a pick (something we tend not to do).

And the silver lining, some tangible news in the middle of the July football doldrums..

That 3rd round pick is a nice spot to pick up an interior offensive lineman. We used it on our defense when it's our offense that's needs the work. Especially, as I previously stated, since we drafted a DE with our first round and a CB with our 3rd.

...and I failed to see where anyone was upset by the move? Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm upset by it.

Whether or not you like the guy the redskins picked. They did exactly what people are supposed to do with draft picks: Draft College Players that you think will be good before the other teams can draft them.

I like having a DE here cause looks like Orakpo is mostly LB.

We only have 3 DEs on the Roster. Daniels, Wynn, and Carter. Jarmon is now number 4.

Buzzbee is a nice story but he will most likely not make the team because we have 5 DTs that will likely make the team. Golston, Monty, Haynes, Griffin, and lastly Alexander who is playing both DT and DE.

D Line looks like it will be pretty much set now.

Solid pick. Good to see us trying to compete with the winning formula of the Giants. Let's keep bolstering this defensive line and get this pass rush where it needs to be.

I'm sure that next years 1st and possibly 2nd round will go to the offense.

lowtharofthehill wrote:Whether or not you like the guy the redskins picked. They did exactly what people are supposed to do with draft picks: Draft College Players that you think will be good before the other teams can draft them.

I like having a DE here cause looks like Orakpo is mostly LB.

We only have 3 DEs on the Roster. Daniels, Wynn, and Carter. Jarmon is now number 4.

Buzzbee is a nice story but he will most likely not make the team because we have 5 DTs that will likely make the team. Golston, Monty, Haynes, Griffin, and lastly Alexander who is playing both DT and DE.

D Line looks like it will be pretty much set now.

We also have Wilson and Orakpo who can and probably will see time on the defensive line.

Buzzbee is an end, btw. That doesn't count Jackson who looked pretty good last year and all the other bodies we've picked up this off-season.

VetSkinsFan wrote:We also have Wilson and Orakpo who can and probably will see time on the defensive line.

Buzzbee is an end, btw. That doesn't count Jackson who looked pretty good last year and all the other bodies we've picked up this off-season.

Orakpo...at the moment is a LB.
Wilson, isn't he too light to play DE full-time?
Buzzbee, dude he's not starting for anyboy. C'mon now.

This is solid DEPTH. They appear to be addressing d-line moreso than o-line, big deal. Let's not forget that we get Edwin Williams, Will Montgomery, the Guard from last year. Mike Williams, Heyer.

We have bodies.

lowtharofthehill wrote:Whether or not you like the guy the redskins picked. They did exactly what people are supposed to do with draft picks: Draft College Players that you think will be good before the other teams can draft them.

I like having a DE here cause looks like Orakpo is mostly LB.

We only have 3 DEs on the Roster. Daniels, Wynn, and Carter. Jarmon is now number 4.

Buzzbee is a nice story but he will most likely not make the team because we have 5 DTs that will likely make the team. Golston, Monty, Haynes, Griffin, and lastly Alexander who is playing both DT and DE.

D Line looks like it will be pretty much set now.

I count 9 DE's on roster
1) Daniels
2) Wynn
3) Carter
4) Orapko
5) Wilson
6) Jacksom
7) Walker
Skolnitsky
9) Jarmon.

I'm wondering how all of them can get enough reps in camp to sort things out.

yupchagee wrote:
I count 9 DE's on roster
1) Daniels
2) Wynn
3) Carter
4) Orapko
5) Wilson
6) Jackson
9) Jarmon.
10) Buzzbee

I'm wondering how all of them can get enough reps in camp to sort things out.

I edite your post a bit. I cut folks who aren't going to make it and added Alex. Alex isn't going to make it.

We must note that a lot of those guys are pulling double duty now. Wynn is going to play some DT. Orakpo at LB. Wilson at LB.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:We also have Wilson and Orakpo who can and probably will see time on the defensive line.

Buzzbee is an end, btw. That doesn't count Jackson who looked pretty good last year and all the other bodies we've picked up this off-season.

Orakpo...at the moment is a LB.
Wilson, isn't he too light to play DE full-time?
Buzzbee, dude he's not starting for anyboy. C'mon now.

This is solid DEPTH. They appear to be addressing d-line moreso than o-line, big deal. Let's not forget that we get Edwin Williams, Will Montgomery, the Guard from last year. Mike Williams, Heyer.

We have bodies.

Just as you disqualiied D lineman, you can't be sure that all those o-lineman will make it, either. I simply want to focus next year's draft on the offense, particularly the line...and with this 3rd coming form the '10 draft, the offense has already lost a good pick to the defense.

That #4 rated defense didn't and doesn't need as much help as the offense, but we continue to bolster it. I know defense wins championships, but there's a little * there that says the offense has to have a pulse.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Solid pick. Good to see us trying to compete with the winning formula of the Giants. Let's keep bolstering this defensive line and get this pass rush where it needs to be.

I'm sure that next years 1st and possibly 2nd round will go to the offense.

Way too early to have any idea what Snyder and Cerrato will do in the draft next year. If things go well this year, they could be looking at O line. On the other hand, they could give up the whole draft to replace Campbell if things don't go well. Could very well need linebackers, depending on Mcintosh and Orakpo, how they do, if Rocky is re-signed. Depending on how Portis looks, they could be looking for an RB, for all we know.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:We also have Wilson and Orakpo who can and probably will see time on the defensive line.

Buzzbee is an end, btw. That doesn't count Jackson who looked pretty good last year and all the other bodies we've picked up this off-season.

Orakpo...at the moment is a LB.
Wilson, isn't he too light to play DE full-time?
Buzzbee, dude he's not starting for anyboy. C'mon now.

This is solid DEPTH. They appear to be addressing d-line moreso than o-line, big deal. Let's not forget that we get Edwin Williams, Will Montgomery, the Guard from last year. Mike Williams, Heyer.

We have bodies.

Just as you disqualiied D lineman, you can't be sure that all those o-lineman will make it, either. I simply want to focus next year's draft on the offense, particularly the line...and with this 3rd coming form the '10 draft, the offense has already lost a good pick to the defense.

That #4 rated defense didn't and doesn't need as much help as the offense, but we continue to bolster it. I know defense wins championships, but there's a little * there that says the offense has to have a pulse.

I'm not saying that the offense doesn't need help, it does. But they can only address 1 thing at a time. Using their judgement, this off-season was more inclined to the defense. If it had been the other way around, people would complain about defense.

They're damned if they do, damned if they dont right now. To be quite honest with you, I think it was smart to pick on the d this offseason. I think that the oline will be fine and will an improved passing attack it'll equate to less wear/tear and less mileage. Hopefully they'll be on an doff the field.

edit: from scoring TD's...

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm not saying that the offense doesn't need help, it does. But they can only address 1 thing at a time. Using their judgement, this off-season was more inclined to the defense. If it had been the other way around, people would complain about defense.

They're damned if they do, damned if they dont right now.

I agree. We knew the weakest parts of our team coming into the season were d-line and o-line...and this year, the talent apparently was there to fix the d-line. I'm just happy they went ahead and drafted/signed for any line...it's been awhile.

DE Jeremy Jarmon
Scouts Inc. offers its evaluation of former Kentucky DE Jeremy Jarmon, who was taken in the 2009 supplemental draft by the Washington Redskins. Category grades are on a scale from 1-5, with 1 being the highest.

Category (Grade) Evaluation
Production (2) 2005: Redshirted; 2006: (13/6) 30 tackles, 6.5 TFL, 4 sacks, 4 PBU, 1 F, 1 FR; 2007: (13/13) 62 tackles, 13.5 TFL, 9 sacks, 2 PBU, 2 FF, 1 FR, Second-team All-SEC; 2008: (12/10) 38 tackles, 10 TFL, 4.5 sacks, 6 PBU, 2 FF, Honorable Mention All-SEC

H-W-S ratio (2) Prototypical height, bulk and top-end speed.
Durability 4 2008: Tears knee cartilage during Vanderbilt game, undergoes arthroscopic surgery and misses Tennessee game; 2005: Sustains shoulder injury during the summer and doesn't practice until midway though the season.

Intangibles (4) Ruled ineligible for 2009 season after testing positive for a banned substance Was UK's Co-Most Outstanding Defensive Player in 2007. Effort appears inconsistent on film.

Pass-rush skills (2) Explosive first step and should be able to turn the corner working against most NFL right tackles. Strong bull-rusher who flashes an effective push/pull move but didn't show on film the ability to set tackles up to the outside and then redirect inside.

Athleticism/versatility (2) Above-average lateral mobility for his size and looks fluid running line stunts. Agile and comfortable enough in space to move to outside linebacker in a base 3-4 scheme. Stout enough to develop into an effective power end for a base 4-3 team and effective 5-technique for a base 3-4 team.

Versus the run (3) Does an adequate job of staying low and anchoring when teams run at him. Can stack and shed tight ends/tackles. Flashes the ability to shed blocks in time to make plays at the line of scrimmage but is inconsistent in this area. Takes adequate pursuit angles and generally does a good job of closing down cutback lanes but lacks ideal range.

Instincts/competitiveness (4) Can rush too far upfield or collapse inside prematurely, making him vulnerable to misdirection, but his biggest flaw is an inconsistent motor. Appears to take plays off and can gear down when teams run away from him. Flashes a mean streak and plays with emotion at other times. Does an excellent job of getting his hands up when he sees the quarterback start a throwing motion. Does an adequate job of locating the ball carrier.

Overall From a purely physical standpoint Jarmon is capable of making an impact in the NFL. He could have played his way into being a first-day pick in the 2010 draft, but questionable instincts and recent off-the-field issues raise significant concerns for us.


written by Todd McShay for ESPN Insider.

bye bye Renaldo Wynn?

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Skeletor wrote:Why should we be upset about "losing" our third round pick. Wouldn't we have used it to draft a player?

Isn't that what we just did? You can argue about whether it's too high or not, but we didn't just lose a pick. We used a pick (something we tend not to do).

And the silver lining, some tangible news in the middle of the July football doldrums..

That 3rd round pick is a nice spot to pick up an interior offensive lineman. We used it on our defense when it's our offense that's needs the work. Especially, as I previously stated, since we drafted a DE with our first round and a CB with our 3rd.

...and I failed to see where anyone was upset by the move? Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm upset by it.

Maybe we are looking to target an O-lineman with our first two picks next year.

skins2357 wrote:bye bye Renaldo Wynn?

Possibly Buzbee. He will need to show a lot coming off of his injury to save his roster spot. His main asset going into this year was his youth, but if we decide to groom Jarmon instead. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHXQMQ9aSWI

His effort looks like its there on that play.

PulpExposure wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm not saying that the offense doesn't need help, it does. But they can only address 1 thing at a time. Using their judgement, this off-season was more inclined to the defense. If it had been the other way around, people would complain about defense.

They're damned if they do, damned if they dont right now.

I agree. We knew the weakest parts of our team coming into the season were d-line and o-line...and this year, the talent apparently was there to fix the d-line. I'm just happy they went ahead and drafted/signed for any line...it's been awhile.

I agree with both of you. And Chris, you've made some very good points in this thread. I agree with you completely.

I think this is an absolute sweet pick. As Redskins.com points out, "Last year, Jarmon was on the preseason watch list for the Ronnie Lott Trophy as the top defensive player in the nation." This guy is a beast and will be groomed to replace Daniels and Wynn.

In my opinion, Buzbee really has no shot, especially for an undrafted guy coming off a ruptured Achilles. That kind of injury can take a couple of years to fully recover from. Rob Jackson had a couple of decent plays in preseason last year, but it was less than a handful of decent plays against 3rd stringers. It appears the coaches haven't been impressed enough with Buzbee or Jackson. I also saw that someone mentioned Chris Wilson as well. Don't forget, Wilson is being transitioned to the Sam LB spot for competition. His size and speed should bode well to ease of transition.

So again, I really like the pick. Good move by the FO in my opinion.

Don't believe the "intangibles" knock. He's to student. He already has his BA & was planning on using his sr year scholarship tp work on a masters in diplomacy. He used an over the counter supplement.