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R.I.P.

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RIP Steve

This is just getting crazy.

R.I.P. Air McNair.

Truly a sad loss. Way too young, man. Way too young.

Shocking news. RIP.

very truely crazy. RIP Man

Wow... just horrible. I sincerely hope the police in Nashville are able to piece together what happened and make an arrest soon. This is just senseless. The police said McNair was found dead Saturday with multiple gunshot wounds including one to the head. That's insane and I hope someone is brought to justice for this incredibly horrible crime.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends.

SkinsFreak wrote:Wow... just horrible. I sincerely hope the police in Nashville are able to piece together what happened and make an arrest soon. This is just senseless. The police said McNair was found dead Saturday with multiple gunshot wounds including one to the head. That's insane and I hope someone is brought to justice for this incredibly horrible crime.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends.

There will be no arrests all indications are that this is a murder/suicide. Very sad!!

Another violent death of an (former) NFL player.

Why are these situations becoming more and more habitual?

Terrible news. Specially after reading the way he died.

Apparently the female victim, who was only 20, had one gunshot wound to the head while McNair had multiple. The gun was found next to her so apparently the police thinks she shot him a couple times and then herself.

It's pretty strange that McNair, who is married with four kids, was hanging with this girl at such late times at night.

She was pulled over on Thursday, I believe, with him as a passenger in an Escalade registered to both of them. She was arrested for DUI. And then he was heading to her house at 1:30-2:00 A.M. Saturday morning. And according to CNN.com, a law enforcement source called her his "girlfriend." This is such a strange situation.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/04/mcn ... index.html

Looks like there will be an unpleasant back story that emerges. I feel for the families that will have to live with the gossip and scrutiny.

His death (and that of Ms. Kazemi's) is a horrible tragedy. RIP, Steve McNair.

Wow. I'm just shocked. I couldn't believe it when someone at my work told me about it. RIP

Just horrible, RIP to both of them and I wish the family the best.

RIP to Steve and my best wishes and prayers to the family. Seriously, I think Eddie George hit the nail on the head when he said that many of us can't comprehend what people go through after leaving the game. 99% of the time we can't comprehend what the person next to us is going through or how they feel. Maybe it seems like I'm taking up for Steve and in other threads MJ but none of us truly know how people feel. We'll never know what was going on in their hearts or heads, so I kinda get irritated when people just needle others like they're the most righteous of the righteous. Personally I don't like to Steve McNair, D. Green, Alex the Great or Clinton Portis for my moral bearings, so when they screw up I'm not too pissed about it. There's a serious lack of compassion, empathy and forgiveness in todays world. Sure Steve "cheated" (were they together) on his wife, that's wrong no questions asked. But why did he? What was it that he needed? What forced him to do it? There was a man in need of something and he found the wrong thing and sadly he was killed for it.

Irn-Bru wrote:Looks like there will be an unpleasant back story that emerges. I feel for the families that will have to live with the gossip and scrutiny.

His death (and that of Ms. Kazemi's) is a horrible tragedy. RIP, Steve McNair.

I'm sorry, but her death is not a tragedy! She killed a man while he was sleeping and then killed herself. His death is tragic. The loss of a father and husband (no matter how many girl friends he has) is a horrible thing for a family to deal with and now they are going to have to deal with the circus that radiates from this case!

Feel sorry for them and Miss Kazemi's family, BUT NOT HER! She made her choice, but she didn't have to take someone's father with her. There is a special place for people that do what she did.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Looks like there will be an unpleasant back story that emerges. I feel for the families that will have to live with the gossip and scrutiny.

His death (and that of Ms. Kazemi's) is a horrible tragedy. RIP, Steve McNair.

I'm sorry, but her death is not a tragedy! She killed a man while he was sleeping and then killed herself. His death is tragic. The loss of a father and husband (no matter how many girl friends he has) is a horrible thing for a family to deal with and now they are going to have to deal with the circus that radiates from this case!

Feel sorry for them and Miss Kazemi's family, BUT NOT HER! She made her choice, but she didn't have to take someone's father with her. There is a special place for people that do what she did.

Seriously, I feel extremely sad for Ms. Kazemi that she felt her only recourse in life was to do this. Yes, I feel worse for McNair, the victim of a murder, but I also can't help but feel extremely sorry for her as well.

I used to think that suicide was a horribly selfish act, but having a family member who has battled depression, I understand that people who are seriously depressed just don't think clearly or the same way that we do. It just makes me so sad to see that this woman clearly thought that this heinous act was her only option left to her.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Looks like there will be an unpleasant back story that emerges. I feel for the families that will have to live with the gossip and scrutiny.

His death (and that of Ms. Kazemi's) is a horrible tragedy. RIP, Steve McNair.

I'm sorry, but her death is not a tragedy! She killed a man while he was sleeping and then killed herself. His death is tragic. The loss of a father and husband (no matter how many girl friends he has) is a horrible thing for a family to deal with and now they are going to have to deal with the circus that radiates from this case!

While I agree with your assessment of how difficult it will be for the McNair family, I disagree that this makes Sahel's death a non-tragedy. There were broken relationships all over: McNair was 'together' with her, promising her things and creating a relationship that couldn't last. Because of her own choices, Sahel had to live with the fact that she was taking a man from his wife and family.

I haven't been following the news on it, but I think I had read that McNair needed to break things off with her. So she makes the worst decision of her life and decides to kill him. As if that's not enough blood, she kills herself. Two families will now go without their loved one. McNair's wife will never be able to confront his mistress and understand why things happened the way they did. I see a lot of reasons that everyone's problems and deaths are a tragedy.

It doesn't mean people aren't also wrong in what they did, or that there isn't blame to pass around. I don't see why fault means someone's downfall and death isn't tragic. (Ever read Shakespeare? )

Feel sorry for them and Miss Kazemi's family, BUT NOT HER! She made her choice, but she didn't have to take someone's father with her. There is a special place for people that do what she did.

Ms. Kazemi made her choice, indeed, but her choice just is part of that tragedy.

Steve McNair, no matter his reasons, made his choices too. But that shouldn't stop us from feeling sympathy—and perhaps empathy—for him and his family. Have you ever made a decision that hurt a loved one? Has a loved one ever made a decision that hurt you? Etc.

I think he's saying that McNair was a victim as opposed to his GF. She chose to take those lived, McNair did not choose to be murdered.

I see what you're saying IB, but I didn't take what SF33 said the same as you did.

Well, what if I put it this way: if a murderer decides to commit suicide, it's still a tragedy. I think SF33 was disagreeing with that, but I still think it's true.

Irn-Bru wrote:Well, what if I put it this way: if a murderer decides to commit suicide, it's still a tragedy. I think SF33 was disagreeing with that, but I still think it's true.

I've said time and time again that the hard hearted people that spew some of this stuff scare me just as much as the actions of the people they're hating.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:RIP to Steve and my best wishes and prayers to the family. Seriously, I think Eddie George hit the nail on the head when he said that many of us can't comprehend what people go through after leaving the game. 99% of the time we can't comprehend what the person next to us is going through or how they feel. Maybe it seems like I'm taking up for Steve and in other threads MJ but none of us truly know how people feel. We'll never know what was going on in their hearts or heads, so I kinda get irritated when people just needle others like they're the most righteous of the righteous. Personally I don't like to Steve McNair, D. Green, Alex the Great or Clinton Portis for my moral bearings, so when they screw up I'm not too pissed about it. There's a serious lack of compassion, empathy and forgiveness in todays world. Sure Steve "cheated" (were they together) on his wife, that's wrong no questions asked. But why did he? What was it that he needed? What forced him to do it? There was a man in need of something and he found the wrong thing and sadly he was killed for it.

Well stated bro

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Well, what if I put it this way: if a murderer decides to commit suicide, it's still a tragedy. I think SF33 was disagreeing with that, but I still think it's true.

I've said time and time again that the hard hearted people that spew some of this stuff scare me just as much as the actions of the people they're hating.

It's a question of understanding (or in some cases, misunderstanding), Chris, more than anything. None of us condone her behavior, but we still feel sad that she honestly felt that this was the only option left to her.

PulpExposure wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Well, what if I put it this way: if a murderer decides to commit suicide, it's still a tragedy. I think SF33 was disagreeing with that, but I still think it's true.

I've said time and time again that the hard hearted people that spew some of this stuff scare me just as much as the actions of the people they're hating.

It's a question of understanding (or in some cases, misunderstanding), Chris, more than anything. None of us condone her behavior, but we still feel sad that she honestly felt that this was the only option left to her.

I'm not disagreeing with you...at all. I'm actually saying the same thing.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Well, what if I put it this way: if a murderer decides to commit suicide, it's still a tragedy. I think SF33 was disagreeing with that, but I still think it's true.

I've said time and time again that the hard hearted people that spew some of this stuff scare me just as much as the actions of the people they're hating.

It's a question of understanding (or in some cases, misunderstanding), Chris, more than anything. None of us condone her behavior, but we still feel sad that she honestly felt that this was the only option left to her.

I'm not disagreeing with you...at all. I'm actually saying the same thing.

I know...just 'splaining for people who may not understand our position.

PulpExposure wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Well, what if I put it this way: if a murderer decides to commit suicide, it's still a tragedy. I think SF33 was disagreeing with that, but I still think it's true.

I've said time and time again that the hard hearted people that spew some of this stuff scare me just as much as the actions of the people they're hating.

It's a question of understanding (or in some cases, misunderstanding), Chris, more than anything. None of us condone her behavior, but we still feel sad that she honestly felt that this was the only option left to her.

I'm not disagreeing with you...at all. I'm actually saying the same thing.

I know...just 'splaining for people who may not understand our position.

SOrry Pulp.