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This is what I think of the two tards running the front office

skinpride1 wrote:This is what I think of the two tards running the front office

I cannot believe you would disrespect Llloyd Christmas and Harry Dunn this way.

Not impressed with the Haynesworth signing then

Fat Albert is a good player but Danny/Vinny overpaid for him. I just hope he puts out 100% and not lay down after getting the big money. The Jay Cutler circus is what really got to me and was Danny boy really OK with trading Campbell and ey to get this Q.B.? Thank god the Bears wanted it more!! I just can't wait till the draft gets here watch out I bet we draft someone that we don't really need.I love the skins but damn these two!!

skinpride1 wrote:Fat Albert is a good player but Danny/Vinny overpaid for him. I just hope he puts out 100% and not lay down after getting the big money.

I agree 100%. We did overpay for Haynesworth. If he goes out and plays like he did in Tennessee he will be worth every penny though. Its a big risk for one player. Hopefully it pays off.

skinpride1 wrote:The Jay Cutler circus is what really got to me and was Danny boy really OK with trading Campbell and ey to get this Q.B.? Thank god the Bears wanted it more!! I just can't wait till the draft gets here watch out I bet we draft someone that we don't really need.I love the skins but damn these two!!

I honestly dont think the Skins ever offered Chris ey. I could be wrong but I think those reports were false.

SkinsSince96 wrote:I honestly dont think the Skins ever offered Chris ey. I could be wrong but I think those reports were false.

I agree, because honestly, the cap hit for a ey trade would have made the trade basically impossible.

skinpride1 wrote:This is what I think of the two tards running the front office

Why in French? At least I think it is.

funbunch65 wrote:

skinpride1 wrote:This is what I think of the two tards running the front office

Why in French? At least I think it is.

[sarcasm]Because it makes the "humor" so much more sophisticated. [/sarcasm]

A true diehard Redskin fan wouldn't mock our gracious overlords.

LMAO CLL



Itz all about ticket sales man, they will never give ey, Portis or 'Tana.

Dude! You should have photoshopped in the right names at the top ... but I still lol.

DarthMonk

I am probably hanging myself out to dry here but I think Synder gets a raw deal on this board. Ok, he's made mistakes and signed some white elephants in the past but so has every team. he signs haynesworth and gets slagged for paying too much, he dont sign Haynesworth and he'd get slagged for not being active in FA. All teams pay too much for players these days (apart from the Cards ).

The Cutler thing is a prime example, I followed the coverge of that story as best I could and I didn't read a single report which suggested ey was being offered in a packge deal, yet this board was full of that talk.

Snyder brought Joe Gibbs back, I think Campbell was a 'Gibbs' player, one wonders how he would have developed if he had had 2-3 seasons starting under Gibbs. Maybe his style of play dosnt suit the WC offence .. not really Snyder's fault.

The draft is another example, this board has suggested the #13 go on an OT, QB, DE/DT and Linebacker, no matter who the skins pick they are gonna upset some people , nature of the beast.

The reason why teams spend so much money and have so little patience these days is because the fans want instant success and teams are scared of losing in case the fans stop coming .. all sports are like that.

So ... give the guy a break

Manchester_Redskin wrote:Snyder brought Joe Gibbs back, I think Campbell was a 'Gibbs' player, one wonders how he would have developed if he had had 2-3 seasons starting under Gibbs. Maybe his style of play dosnt suit the WC offence .. not really Snyder's fault.

Slow down a bit. Last years hiring process was a mistake, Zorn's job was a byproduct of that mistake. Hiring coordinators before a HC is a mistake. Bringing in a scheme that doesn't fit your players is a mistake if you arent planning on getting rid of those players....

So yea...it could be traced back up top.

CLL, your signature

langleyparkjoe wrote:CLL, your signature

straight from the heart

I think the Campbell selection was actually a good indicator that it was Gibbs and not Synder who had the major say in the draft when he was the coach..

I guess that could explain why they are not so keen on keeping Campbell now

Chris Luva Luva wrote:A true diehard Redskin fan wouldn't mock our gracious overlords.

Agreed!

Plus, You guys didn't see this coming...the League's teams and owners are always going to use the Redskins as leverage or bargaining power. We were never in the hunt that desperately for Cutler. But as any owner, why wouldn't you inquire about a pro-bowl quarterback as opposed to the one we have now. Jason just knows that he has to improve...and improve NOW!

But Dumber and Dumber...not nice or fair

Manchester_Redskin wrote:I am probably hanging myself out to dry here but I think Synder gets a raw deal on this board.

I have mixed feelings on this. I do like Snyder from the standpoint that he tries to win no matter what the cost. He is a Redskin fan like the rest of us and he wants a 4th Lombardi so bad he can taste it.

The problem I have with Snyder is based off of why I like him. If im the Skins owner and I make deal after deal move after move and the Skins dont win id say to myself "damn maybe I should hire a GM because thats the one thing the Skins need and I want them to win more then anything".

If anyone thinks for one minute Cerrato is really running this teams moves id honestly LMFAO into a coma. Im not going to lie I loved the Chad Johnson possible trade last year and I loved trading a 2nd for Jason Taylor. This is why fans shouldnt be there teams GM. Snyder needs to stand back and realize my God im hurting the team I love more than im helping it.

ICEMAN wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:A true diehard Redskin fan wouldn't mock our gracious overlords.

Agreed!

Plus, You guys didn't see this coming...the League's teams and owners are always going to use the Redskins as leverage or bargaining power. We were never in the hunt that desperately for Cutler. But as any owner, why wouldn't you inquire about a pro-bowl quarterback as opposed to the one we have now. Jason just knows that he has to improve...and improve NOW!

But Dumber and Dumber...not nice or fair

Its not the picks they make Lavar Arrington,Sean Taylor,Chris ey, Landry or Carlos Rogers.....Or the vets London Fletcher,Cornelius Griffin,DeAngelo Hall.... It is the decisions- Ryan Clark, Brian Mitchell, Pierce and Steve Spurrier,Marty Schottenheimer,Norv Turner (Although I was thinking he needed to go too but not after the run to the post season and his last year wasn't his fault). It is his mortgaging of the future. I say this because Vinny Cerrato said many times that he did not want the responsibility of being a GM. Yes, I know that is not his title but he said many times that he just wanted to be a scout and he would be happy. He does have connections so I do not see the harm. He has made some good picks. I think Dan and Vinny want to win they do not mean harm and their heart is in the right place but they do make terrible decisions.

I have confirmed rumours from several great psychics that the current opinion of Mr. George Preson Marshallis that Mr. Daniel Snyder and Mr. V. Cerrato are absolutely the best people that could be in charge of the Washington Redskins.



There you have it! This is the best and most positive statement I can make on this subject.

Redskin in Canada wrote:I have confirmed rumours from several great psychics that the current opinion of Mr. George Preson Marshallis that Mr. Daniel Snyder and Mr. V. Cerrato are absolutely the best people that could be in charge of the Washington Redskins.



There you have it! This is the best and most positive statement I can make on this subject.

Lol lets not forget though there was a lot of bad years after our last super bowl. In my opinion I think there is a black cloud hovering over Snyder. I do not understand maybe its Karma. Lol Oh well maybe if everyone boycotts going to the game he will be forced to sell.

SkinsSince96 wrote:

Manchester_Redskin wrote:I am probably hanging myself out to dry here but I think Synder gets a raw deal on this board.

I have mixed feelings on this. I do like Snyder from the standpoint that he tries to win no matter what the cost. He is a Redskin fan like the rest of us and he wants a 4th Lombardi so bad he can taste it.

The problem I have with Snyder is based off of why I like him. If im the Skins owner and I make deal after deal move after move and the Skins dont win id say to myself "damn maybe I should hire a GM because thats the one thing the Skins need and I want them to win more then anything".

If anyone thinks for one minute Cerrato is really running this teams moves id honestly LMFAO into a coma. Im not going to lie I loved the Chad Johnson possible trade last year and I loved trading a 2nd for Jason Taylor. This is why fans shouldnt be there teams GM. Snyder needs to stand back and realize my God im hurting the team I love more than im helping it.

Snyder bought the team and made some rookie mistakes, no doubt. He and Vinny have spoken openly and candidly about those past mistakes, from the standpoint of recognition and learning from those mistakes. Unfortunately, some folks just can't seem to let go of those mistakes, look forward instead of looking back, or let Snyder live them down. Always the armchair GM, it's inevitable around here.

You say Snyder should say to himself... "damn. maybe I should hire a GM." For about the millionth time around here, let's refresh our memories. Snyder brought back Joe Gibbs almost six years ago. Does anyone remember that? He brought back the home town hero, the man that brought three Lombardi trophies to D.C., and made him the Head Coach / Team President. Remember that? That is, in effect, hiring a manager to guide the team, regardless of title. Only an ignorant fool would assert that Snyder didn't give the Hall of Fame, home town hero and 3-time Super Bowl winning coach full control of the decision making process and direction of the organization, at the time.

After four years and two playoff appearances, Gibbs retired. Anyone remember that? And for the record, Gibbs did leave his mark on this franchise during his second stint. Although he failed to win another Super Bowl, he brought some respectability back to the organization and accountability into the locker room. So, in fact, Snyder did bring someone in to help guide the team and steer the ship. But Gibbs retired and Snyder was subsequently forced to hire a new coach. That wasn't "the same old Snyder", Gibbs retired.

I know Zorn only went 8-8 in his first season as the head coach in the NFC East. I also know the armchair GM's are out in full force ready for a lynching and prepared to find a new head coach... once again. Hopefully Snyder stays the course paved by Gibbs and ignores these armchair fools. Since Gibbs retired, Snyder has assembled a pretty darn good staff and team, with Gibbs' endorsement, I might add, and if anyone thinks one year into a new staff is enough time to accurately evaluate the full potential, well... what can you say... except, armchair fools they are.

Vinny and his staff did a pretty good job last offseason and so far they've done pretty good this offseason, which to date, has been to sign two younger players that fill major holes on our offensive and defensive lines, two areas ignored in the past and under the old Snyder. The rest has merely been due diligence to evaluate every possible angle or potential scenario, which is just good business, regardless of the rumorville that some fans so easily get so caught up in. One could easily argue that Zorn's first year was better than the previous four under Gibbs. But we all know Gibbs laid the groundwork for that. Point is, give Zorn a chance.

SkinsFreak wrote: Snyder bought the team and made some rookie mistakes, no doubt. He and Vinny have spoken openly and candidly about those past mistakes, from the standpoint of recognition and learning from those mistakes. Unfortunately, some folks just can't seem to let go of those mistakes, look forward instead of looking back, or let Snyder live them down. Always the armchair GM, it's inevitable around here.

Let go of those mistakes? I could list ignorant decisions that Snyder has made every year since he bought this team except for when Gibbs was running it. I cant look forward if Snyders ignorance keeps slapping us fans in the face yearly.

SkinsFreak wrote:You say Snyder should say to himself... "damn. maybe I should hire a GM." For about the millionth time around here, let's refresh our memories. Snyder brought back Joe Gibbs almost six years ago. Does anyone remember that? He brought back the home town hero, the man that brought three Lombardi trophies to D.C., and made him the Head Coach / Team President. Remember that? That is, in effect, hiring a manager to guide the team, regardless of title. Only an ignorant fool would assert that Snyder didn't give the Hall of Fame, home town hero and 3-time Super Bowl winning coach full control of the decision making process and direction of the organization, at the time.

He did give Gibbs control of the team to a extent. At the sametime Gibbs isnt a GM. When he hired Gibbs he never had any GM experience in the NFL. I want a actual GM. The problem is Snyder will never hire one because he wants to play madden with our football team.

SkinsFreak wrote:After four years and two playoff appearances, Gibbs retired. Anyone remember that? And for the record, Gibbs did leave his mark on this franchise during his second stint. Although he failed to win another Super Bowl, he brought some respectability back to the organization and accountability into the locker room. So, in fact, Snyder did bring someone in to help guide the team and steer the ship. But Gibbs retired and Snyder was subsequently forced to hire a new coach. That wasn't "the same old Snyder", Gibbs retired.

Gibbs did leave his mark on the franchise in his 2nd stint. I have nothing but love for Joe Jackson Gibbs. Any respectability Gibbs brought in was lost last season though. Snyder didnt learn one damn thing from Joe Gibbs.

SkinsFreak wrote:I know Zorn only went 8-8 in his first season as the head coach in the NFC East. I also know the armchair GM's are out in full force ready for a lynching and prepared to find a new head coach... once again. Hopefully Snyder stays the course paved by Gibbs and ignores these armchair fools. Since Gibbs retired, Snyder has assembled a pretty darn good staff and team, with Gibbs' endorsement, I might add, and if anyone thinks one year into a new staff is enough time to accurately evaluate the full potential, well... what can you say... except, armchair fools they are.

I actually want Zorn as head coach this year. Even though you can see alot of flaws in his playcalling. Hopefully with a season under his belt he can improve and get us where we need to be as a football team.

I dont understand though how you can keep knocking Redskin fans and calling them armchair GMs. Most fans have opinions but also realize they dont have the knowledge of a GM. The problem is Snyder thinks he knows everything and it hurts our team. I like that Snyders a Redskin fan and he wants to win but maybe he should take some of Gibbs advice and realize he doesnt have a clue about building a NFL team.

SkinsFreak wrote:Vinny and his staff did a pretty good job last offseason and so far they've done pretty good this offseason, which to date, has been to sign two younger players that fill major holes on our offensive and defensive lines, two areas ignored in the past and under the old Snyder. The rest has merely been due diligence to evaluate every possible angle or potential scenario, which is just good business, regardless of the rumorville that some fans so easily get so caught up in. One could easily argue that Zorn's first year was better than the previous four under Gibbs. But we all know Gibbs laid the groundwork for that. Point is, give Zorn a chance.

I think Vinny did a terrible job last offseason. The draft last year is a perfect example. Im all for giving Zorn a chance but I dont think you realize that everything Gibbs laid out for this team is being destroyed by Dan Snyder.

SkinsFreak wrote:

SkinsSince96 wrote:

Manchester_Redskin wrote:I am probably hanging myself out to dry here but I think Synder gets a raw deal on this board.

I have mixed feelings on this. I do like Snyder from the standpoint that he tries to win no matter what the cost. He is a Redskin fan like the rest of us and he wants a 4th Lombardi so bad he can taste it.

The problem I have with Snyder is based off of why I like him. If im the Skins owner and I make deal after deal move after move and the Skins dont win id say to myself "damn maybe I should hire a GM because thats the one thing the Skins need and I want them to win more then anything".

If anyone thinks for one minute Cerrato is really running this teams moves id honestly LMFAO into a coma. Im not going to lie I loved the Chad Johnson possible trade last year and I loved trading a 2nd for Jason Taylor. This is why fans shouldnt be there teams GM. Snyder needs to stand back and realize my God im hurting the team I love more than im helping it.

Snyder bought the team and made some rookie mistakes, no doubt. He and Vinny have spoken openly and candidly about those past mistakes, from the standpoint of recognition and learning from those mistakes. Unfortunately, some folks just can't seem to let go of those mistakes, look forward instead of looking back, or let Snyder live them down. Always the armchair GM, it's inevitable around here.

You say Snyder should say to himself... "damn. maybe I should hire a GM." For about the millionth time around here, let's refresh our memories. Snyder brought back Joe Gibbs almost six years ago. Does anyone remember that? He brought back the home town hero, the man that brought three Lombardi trophies to D.C., and made him the Head Coach / Team President. Remember that? That is, in effect, hiring a manager to guide the team, regardless of title. Only an ignorant fool would assert that Snyder didn't give the Hall of Fame, home town hero and 3-time Super Bowl winning coach full control of the decision making process and direction of the organization, at the time.

After four years and two playoff appearances, Gibbs retired. Anyone remember that? And for the record, Gibbs did leave his mark on this franchise during his second stint. Although he failed to win another Super Bowl, he brought some respectability back to the organization and accountability into the locker room. So, in fact, Snyder did bring someone in to help guide the team and steer the ship. But Gibbs retired and Snyder was subsequently forced to hire a new coach. That wasn't "the same old Snyder", Gibbs retired.

I know Zorn only went 8-8 in his first season as the head coach in the NFC East. I also know the armchair GM's are out in full force ready for a lynching and prepared to find a new head coach... once again. Hopefully Snyder stays the course paved by Gibbs and ignores these armchair fools. Since Gibbs retired, Snyder has assembled a pretty darn good staff and team, with Gibbs' endorsement, I might add, and if anyone thinks one year into a new staff is enough time to accurately evaluate the full potential, well... what can you say... except, armchair fools they are.

Vinny and his staff did a pretty good job last offseason and so far they've done pretty good this offseason, which to date, has been to sign two younger players that fill major holes on our offensive and defensive lines, two areas ignored in the past and under the old Snyder. The rest has merely been due diligence to evaluate every possible angle or potential scenario, which is just good business, regardless of the rumorville that some fans so easily get so caught up in. One could easily argue that Zorn's first year was better than the previous four under Gibbs. But we all know Gibbs laid the groundwork for that. Point is, give Zorn a chance.

"Unfortunately, some folks just can't seem to let go of those mistakes...." Uh, I am guilty of that but I don't blame Vinny though.

"Snyder brought back Joe Gibbs almost six years ago. Does anyone remember that?" Yes I do. I thought we had real redskins here but some folks say JC is not the guy and he should have over come lack of protection and wide receivers and no run game in second half of the season.


"I know Zorn only went 8-8 in his first season as the head coach in the NFC East. I also know the armchair GM's are out in full force ready for a lynching and prepared to find a new head coach..." Not me I like Zorn but he wont last. You will see. If I had any say in it I would keep Zorn for at least 5 years to see what he could do.



"Vinny and his staff did a pretty good job last offseason and so far they've done pretty good this offseason, which to date, has been to sign two younger players that fill major holes on our offensive and defensive lines, two areas ignored in the past and under the old Snyder." I agree to a point. Lets see what they do as far as addressing these holes with draft picks. I really did get upset over the whole Cutler thing though. It is like regressing not progress.

SkinsSince96 and Kilmer72,

Welcome to the board. Sorry but you are wasting your time pointing at repeated mistakes by the Front Office around here. We have had this debate in many repeated ocasions. You will find many heated arguments about this dumb and dumber pair.

Just try a search under Snyder and you will find several threads dedicated to the incompetence of this pair. Incidentally, you will ALWAYS find the same defenders of these guys in those threads. Frankly, you are wasting your time ... until the next stupidity and then the whole thing comes back again to the top of the threads.

Who says snake oil does not sell well in the XXI century ? Just ask Snyder.