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The Redskins were rewarded a 7th rounder for losing Mark Brunell to free agency last season. It's the 243rd pick in the draft. Hopefully we can find another Chris Horton there. Here's how our picks look now:

1st - 13
3rd - 80
5th - 142
6th - 173
7th - 243

Take Orakpo or the best OT on the board @ 13.

If Sanchez falls, hopefully a team will trade up and we can get more picks for it. If we could get a combo of a low 1st and a 3rd, the Skins would have to jump on that.

It's always better to get more picks. Maybe with the 7th we could take a flyer on a small college lineman or a punter/kicker who we wouldn't have thought about before.

why we only have one 7th? with the extra pick shouldn't we have 2?

and remind me where our 4th went?

This seems like a good site for draft pick information: http://www.prosportstransactions.com/fo ... s/2009.htm

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:and remind me where our 4th went?

> Jets — Traded Pete Kendall to Redskins for 2008 conditional fifth round pick (if Kendall plays less than 80% of snaps in 2007) or 2009 fourth round pick (if Kendall plays more than 80% of snaps in 2007) (?-?) on 2007-08-23

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:why we only have one 7th? with the extra pick shouldn't we have 2?

204th pick - > Vikings — Traded Erasmus James to Redskins for 2009 conditional seventh round pick (if James makes Redskins roster) (?-?) on 2008-05-27

243rd pick - Mark Brunnell Compensatory

Here's a link with all the compensatory picks: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d ... nfirm=true.

Cooter wrote:

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:and remind me where our 4th went?

> Jets — Traded Pete Kendall to Redskins for 2008 conditional fifth round pick (if Kendall plays less than 80% of snaps in 2007) or 2009 fourth round pick (if Kendall plays more than 80% of snaps in 2007) (?-?) on 2007-08-23

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:why we only have one 7th? with the extra pick shouldn't we have 2?

204th pick - > Vikings — Traded Erasmus James to Redskins for 2009 conditional seventh round pick (if James makes Redskins roster) (?-?) on 2008-05-27

243rd pick - Mark Brunnell Compensatory

yuck i just threw up in my mouth!

this Front Office, just GIVES PICKS AWAY LIKE CANDY ON HOLLOWEEN

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:

Cooter wrote:

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:and remind me where our 4th went?

> Jets — Traded Pete Kendall to Redskins for 2008 conditional fifth round pick (if Kendall plays less than 80% of snaps in 2007) or 2009 fourth round pick (if Kendall plays more than 80% of snaps in 2007) (?-?) on 2007-08-23

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:why we only have one 7th? with the extra pick shouldn't we have 2?

204th pick - > Vikings — Traded Erasmus James to Redskins for 2009 conditional seventh round pick (if James makes Redskins roster) (?-?) on 2008-05-27

243rd pick - Mark Brunnell Compensatory

yuck i just threw up in my mouth!

this Front Office, just GIVES PICKS AWAY LIKE CANDY ON HOLLOWEEN

Don't forget, they gave away our 2nd rounder for Taylor, who evidently Blache wasn't excited about (because of the obvious point that Taylor is a DE/OLB hybrid at 245# and ill-suited to play a 4-3 LDE where 275#+ DE's are the rule. )

So, while there could have been a valid argument, a year ago, to send a 2nd rounder for a talent like Taylor, it would have required COMMUNICATION between the coaches and the FO. Any team entering into such a big trade would need to have a plan as to HOW this big investment could be wisely utilized. Once again, with no GM, our FO continues to THINK they understand football.

I'm glad we got a compensatory 7th rounder. There are never too many draft picks.

Help me out here. When did Greg Blache start running this team? If Taylor didn't fit his vaunted system, it was up to Blache to adjust, not pout about it. Taylor was two years removed from being the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year. Had be been healthy, surely Blache could have gotten some use out of him.

As for the other picks, I researched it once and discovered that the average NFL career lasts 2.8 years, and that number is obviously skewed on either end by first-rounders who hang around for 10 years just on reputation and seventh-rounders who never play at all.

With that in mind, the fact that the Redskins got two years of starting duty out of Kendall and maybe more as a reserve in return for a fourth-round pick sounds like a reasonable return.

Erasmus James was a former high draft choice the coaching staff was familiar with who only cost a seventh-rounder -- the kind of players who usually don't even make your roster. He was worth the gamble.

Help me out here. When did Greg Blache start running this team? If Taylor didn't fit his vaunted system, it was up to Blache to adjust, not pout about it.

That type of attitude is what got us into the Taylor mess. It makes no sense to trade for a player that doesn't fit in the system that your defense runs. Yes Blache could have used him better, but the Skins never should have traded picks for a guy that should be playing lb a 3-4, not LDE in a 4-3.

Help me out again. Which other DEs were available on short notice the first day of training camp?

The Redskins were fully prepared to open the season with a tandem that included Daniels, Evans, Buzzbee and Wilson. But when Daniels and Buzzbee were both lost for the season in the very first practice of the summer, emergency action had to be taken.

To paraphrase Mick Jagger, you can't always get what you want. But sometimes, if your defensive coordinator isn't pig-headed about it, you get what you need.

Jeff Rhodes wrote:Help me out again. Which other DEs were available on short notice the first day of training camp?

The Redskins were fully prepared to open the season with a tandem that included Daniels, Evans, Buzzbee and Wilson. But when Daniels and Buzzbee were both lost for the season in the very first practice of the summer, emergency action had to be taken.

To paraphrase Mick Jagger, you can't always get what you want. But sometimes, if your defensive coordinator isn't pig-headed about it, you get what you need.

Taylor isn't, and has never been, a LDE. The Skins didn't trade for a defensive end, they traded for a 3-4 lb.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Jeff Rhodes wrote:Help me out again. Which other DEs were available on short notice the first day of training camp?

The Redskins were fully prepared to open the season with a tandem that included Daniels, Evans, Buzzbee and Wilson. But when Daniels and Buzzbee were both lost for the season in the very first practice of the summer, emergency action had to be taken.

To paraphrase Mick Jagger, you can't always get what you want. But sometimes, if your defensive coordinator isn't pig-headed about it, you get what you need.

Taylor isn't, and has never been, a LDE. The Skins didn't trade for a defensive end, they traded for a 3-4 lb.

Well, in my belief as a rule you really need big guys a DE but look at Andre Carter.... He isn't big either. Also, in the NFC East it is a throw back division. It might not always be a run first type of division but it is always a smash mouth style. Taylor couldn't have been that guy as a linebacker either. Yes he could tackle but could he cover the pass? Did he have the speed. Should Blanche have scrapped his defense to help Taylor out mid way through preseason? I think we obviously lost out do to being desperate. Taylor also didn't have the heart anymore either. If he did he would still be here. Yes he has the size to be in a three four as a LB but he can not cover the pass as Washingtong could when he was healthy. That was what the skins were banking on...Someone that could fill the gap in a desperate mode for help. I can't blame them we lost on the gamble

Jeff Rhodes wrote:Help me out here. When did Greg Blache start running this team? If Taylor didn't fit his vaunted system, it was up to Blache to adjust, not pout about it. Taylor was two years removed from being the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year. Had be been healthy, surely Blache could have gotten some use out of him.

As for the other picks, I researched it once and discovered that the average NFL career lasts 2.8 years, and that number is obviously skewed on either end by first-rounders who hang around for 10 years just on reputation and seventh-rounders who never play at all.

With that in mind, the fact that the Redskins got two years of starting duty out of Kendall and maybe more as a reserve in return for a fourth-round pick sounds like a reasonable return.

Erasmus James was a former high draft choice the coaching staff was familiar with who only cost a seventh-rounder -- the kind of players who usually don't even make your roster. He was worth the gamble.

You MUST work in the Skins Front Office... 'cause this is the kind of broken logic that keeps you out of the play-offs for 2 of the past 9 years while spending more (on less) than anyone.

Let me remind you also, the only draft pick we had last year that contributed was our 7th Round Draft Pick.

Kilmer72 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Jeff Rhodes wrote:Help me out again. Which other DEs were available on short notice the first day of training camp?

The Redskins were fully prepared to open the season with a tandem that included Daniels, Evans, Buzzbee and Wilson. But when Daniels and Buzzbee were both lost for the season in the very first practice of the summer, emergency action had to be taken.

To paraphrase Mick Jagger, you can't always get what you want. But sometimes, if your defensive coordinator isn't pig-headed about it, you get what you need.

Taylor isn't, and has never been, a LDE. The Skins didn't trade for a defensive end, they traded for a 3-4 lb.

Well, in my belief as a rule you really need big guys a DE but look at Andre Carter.... He isn't big either.

Carter is also a weak-side DE like Taylor.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:

Jeff Rhodes wrote:Help me out here. When did Greg Blache start running this team? If Taylor didn't fit his vaunted system, it was up to Blache to adjust, not pout about it. Taylor was two years removed from being the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year. Had be been healthy, surely Blache could have gotten some use out of him.

As for the other picks, I researched it once and discovered that the average NFL career lasts 2.8 years, and that number is obviously skewed on either end by first-rounders who hang around for 10 years just on reputation and seventh-rounders who never play at all.

With that in mind, the fact that the Redskins got two years of starting duty out of Kendall and maybe more as a reserve in return for a fourth-round pick sounds like a reasonable return.

Erasmus James was a former high draft choice the coaching staff was familiar with who only cost a seventh-rounder -- the kind of players who usually don't even make your roster. He was worth the gamble.

You MUST work in the Skins Front Office... 'cause this is the kind of broken logic that keeps you out of the play-offs for 2 of the past 9 years while spending more (on less) than anyone.

Let me remind you also, the only draft pick we had last year that contributed was our 7th Round Draft Pick.

Please! Jeff's logic is sound. How many 7th rounders turn out to be gems? They are exceptions, and not the rule. I'm fine with the James trade, just as I'm fine with the trade that brought us Kendall. We've certainly gotten our money's worth on that deal.

Deadskins wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Jeff Rhodes wrote:Help me out again. Which other DEs were available on short notice the first day of training camp?

The Redskins were fully prepared to open the season with a tandem that included Daniels, Evans, Buzzbee and Wilson. But when Daniels and Buzzbee were both lost for the season in the very first practice of the summer, emergency action had to be taken.

To paraphrase Mick Jagger, you can't always get what you want. But sometimes, if your defensive coordinator isn't pig-headed about it, you get what you need.

Taylor isn't, and has never been, a LDE. The Skins didn't trade for a defensive end, they traded for a 3-4 lb.

Well, in my belief as a rule you really need big guys a DE but look at Andre Carter.... He isn't big either.

Carter is also a weak-side DE like Taylor.

yup... exactly my point

My point is that it's too simple to just say the Redskins can never be successful because they overspend for free agents rather than building through the draft. That's the favored cliche of lazy columnists, but it bears little resemblance to the facts.

For one thing, it isn't always true that's what the Redskins do. For another, there doesn't seem to be any direct correlation one way or the other between what a team spends in free agency and how much it wins. Likewise, there are plenty of teams out there that rarely sign free agents but are even less successful than the Redskins.

The key isn't choosing one strategy over the other. It's making the right choices in whichever strategy you choose. The James and Kendall trades are defensible. In hindsight, the Taylor trade isn't. But it might have been if he hadn't gotten injured and if Blache had found a way to utilize his proven skills rather than trying to shoehorn him into a system he didn't fit just to prove a point.

Jeff Rhodes wrote:My point is that it's too simple to just say the Redskins can never be successful because they overspend for free agents rather than building through the draft. That's the favored cliche of lazy columnists, but it bears little resemblance to the facts.

For one thing, it isn't always true that's what the Redskins do. For another, there doesn't seem to be any direct correlation one way or the other between what a team spends in free agency and how much it wins. Likewise, there are plenty of teams out there that rarely sign free agents but are even less successful than the Redskins.

The key isn't choosing one strategy over the other. It's making the right choices in whichever strategy you choose. The James and Kendall trades are defensible. In hindsight, the Taylor trade isn't. But it might have been if he hadn't gotten injured and if Blache had found a way to utilize his proven skills rather than trying to shoehorn him into a system he didn't fit just to prove a point.

One thing that we can depend on with our picks and our FA acquisitions is that we as a team will remain mediocre.

Even if the players we bring in here somehow become really great NFL players that will still equate to having a mediocre team because that is what we do so well - it seems that someone is not bringing in players that translate into us having a better team and that is very frustrating.

I have a feeling that if the players that came here were selected by someone who understands what it takes to build an NFL team then we might have a better chance at success

Just spit-balling here, fellas, but how about this possibility re: the compensatory? We give up our 5th and 7th (the Brunell extry) to get MB BACK. We plug him in at center and shop Casey for more draft picks or a player of equal value to fill a hole.

Think about it. With his wheels, he's gotta be able to anchor in pass pro...plus based on his throws nowadays the shotgun snap should be perfect for him...and dude's getting a little thick around the midsection, to be quite honest. Few extra lbs might be just the thing for the middle of our O-line.

I shall now retreat to my corner -

BigRedskinDaddy wrote:Just spit-balling here, fellas, but how about this possibility re: the compensatory? We give up our 5th and 7th (the Brunell extry) to get MB BACK. We plug him in at center and shop Casey for more draft picks or a player of equal value to fill a hole.

Think about it. With his wheels, he's gotta be able to anchor in pass pro...plus based on his throws nowadays the shotgun snap should be perfect for him...and dude's getting a little thick around the midsection, to be quite honest. Few extra lbs might be just the thing for the middle of our O-line.

I shall now retreat to my corner -

You want Brunell to play center?
And you want to use two draft picks to bring him out of retirement?

Deadskins wrote:

BigRedskinDaddy wrote:Just spit-balling here, fellas, but how about this possibility re: the compensatory? We give up our 5th and 7th (the Brunell extry) to get MB BACK. We plug him in at center and shop Casey for more draft picks or a player of equal value to fill a hole.

Think about it. With his wheels, he's gotta be able to anchor in pass pro...plus based on his throws nowadays the shotgun snap should be perfect for him...and dude's getting a little thick around the midsection, to be quite honest. Few extra lbs might be just the thing for the middle of our O-line.

I shall now retreat to my corner -

You want Brunell to play center?
And you want to use two draft picks to bring him out of retirement?

Best post I have read in ages...