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You had a good year...according to you? Lest you get COMPLACENT...you were 8-8, last I checked.

"As a competitor, I always believe in what I can do, but you know the naysayers are going to be there," Campbell said. "When it was all going good, when we were 6-2, everyone wants to pat you on your back. As soon as something falls apart, somebody's got to point the finger somewhere, and it always starts with the quarterback. It comes with the territory. This is going to be my fifth season in this league, and I understand how it works. But I always try to keep a positive mind-set about everything. Going back and watching the season, watching the film, I thought I had a really good year. . . .

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Hope you're on a short leash this season buddy...!!!

I wouldn't go as far as saying he had a really good year (more like a decent year), but I completely agree with his views about winning and losing. I also like that he's confident in himself, and has a positive attitude.

Short leash.......

tribeofjudah wrote:Short leash.......

I think you already said that .

This is his "make or break" year and he knows it. I think he'll have a "make" year. We need OL help and if he gets that then all parts of the offense get better. CP will then bounce back too! Gotta get better and more depth on the OL.

Hail!

If he thinks that he was anything other than mediocre last season he has lost his mind.

I think he had a pro bowl caliber first half and a second half that went way south due to a number of factors, ie. we played better teams in the second half, OL collapse, bad decisions, weak conservative play calling (JZ) and probably a few others. He has the talent to pull this offense together. I just hope we see it this year, all year!

Hail

Cooter wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:Short leash.......

I think you already said that .

Yeah...it bears repeating in case Zman didn't hear me the first time....

leesburgskinsfan wrote:I think he had a pro bowl caliber first half and a second half that went way south due to a number of factors, ie. we played better teams in the second half, OL collapse, bad decisions, weak conservative play calling (JZ) and probably a few others. He has the talent to pull this offense together. I just hope we see it this year, all year!

Hail

He has the athletism. He's yet to show if he has the talent yet.

And a pro-bowl caliber half-season gets you exactly nothing. It went south because Portis couldn't handle the load (and really, why should 1 back get 380 carries as he was on par for when he started to get dinged up?) and JC needed to pick up the slack, and didn't. It's not all his fault, but damn it, when your a leader, you step up when things go south, and I didn't see him step it up.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

leesburgskinsfan wrote:I think he had a pro bowl caliber first half and a second half that went way south due to a number of factors, ie. we played better teams in the second half, OL collapse, bad decisions, weak conservative play calling (JZ) and probably a few others. He has the talent to pull this offense together. I just hope we see it this year, all year!

Hail

He has the athletism. He's yet to show if he has the talent yet.

And a pro-bowl caliber half-season gets you exactly nothing. It went south because Portis couldn't handle the load (and really, why should 1 back get 380 carries as he was on par for when he started to get dinged up?) and JC needed to pick up the slack, and didn't. It's not all his fault, but damn it, when your a leader, you step up when things go south, and I didn't see him step it up.

Vetskinsfan, I don't disagree with your take on this. I just want to point out that JC did show talent and did put us in the position to win games that went badly due to factors outside of his control. ie. Our defense had letdowns at the end of the Ravens and 49er games specifically. Last year he played not to lose, he needs to step up and play to win this year. His supporting cast has to step up with him. I agree that CP needs help too. Maybe with Dock back and more OT help (that we don't have yet) could provide the difference we need. Betts needs to get more carries! Our sophomore receivers need to get in the game this year too!

Hail!

I like JC I really do. But I just dont know if he is a solid QB. He has the tools but hell so did Patrick Ramsey. The problem I see with JC is he does not make quick reads and often holds the ball. I know numbers wise he had a good yr last year BUT everyone knows the reason he did not have more ints last yr is because we never threw the ball downfield. After that bomb he threw to Moss to beat NO I think ?....well after that I dont really remember throwing deep.....everything was hook, slant, screen...but never a fly pattern. If he wants to get good, we need to take some shots, if not then he will not be returning to the skins after next yr IMO

I think J Camp's problems can be associated with the predictability of our offense. We will see improvement this year. Patience

leesburgskinsfan wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

leesburgskinsfan wrote:I think he had a pro bowl caliber first half and a second half that went way south due to a number of factors, ie. we played better teams in the second half, OL collapse, bad decisions, weak conservative play calling (JZ) and probably a few others. He has the talent to pull this offense together. I just hope we see it this year, all year!

Hail

He has the athletism. He's yet to show if he has the talent yet.

And a pro-bowl caliber half-season gets you exactly nothing. It went south because Portis couldn't handle the load (and really, why should 1 back get 380 carries as he was on par for when he started to get dinged up?) and JC needed to pick up the slack, and didn't. It's not all his fault, but damn it, when your a leader, you step up when things go south, and I didn't see him step it up.

Vetskinsfan, I don't disagree with your take on this. I just want to point out that JC did show talent and did put us in the position to win games that went badly due to factors outside of his control. ie. Our defense had letdowns at the end of the Ravens and 49er games specifically. Last year he played not to lose, he needs to step up and play to win this year. His supporting cast has to step up with him. I agree that CP needs help too. Maybe with Dock back and more OT help (that we don't have yet) could provide the difference we need. Betts needs to get more carries! Our sophomore receivers need to get in the game this year too!

Hail!

I odn't believe he did that much. If you wanna give him credit for managing a game that was carried on CP's back, then I'll agree, but comparisons with CP carrying the load and CP not carrying the load don't lie.

Flacco rode a simlar wagon. A good running game, a sick defense, all he had to do was not give the game away. That's the way JC had to do it, but when the running game (the bread and butter of the offense last year) broke down, a miraculous coincidence happened...JC suddenly "got worse." I don't buy it. He could throw all those safe passes b/c the opposition stacked the line game planning vs CP, NOT the passing game. I'm not saying JC can't cut it, but I don't believe he did last year.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

leesburgskinsfan wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

leesburgskinsfan wrote:I think he had a pro bowl caliber first half and a second half that went way south due to a number of factors, ie. we played better teams in the second half, OL collapse, bad decisions, weak conservative play calling (JZ) and probably a few others. He has the talent to pull this offense together. I just hope we see it this year, all year!

Hail

He has the athletism. He's yet to show if he has the talent yet.

And a pro-bowl caliber half-season gets you exactly nothing. It went south because Portis couldn't handle the load (and really, why should 1 back get 380 carries as he was on par for when he started to get dinged up?) and JC needed to pick up the slack, and didn't. It's not all his fault, but damn it, when your a leader, you step up when things go south, and I didn't see him step it up.

Vetskinsfan, I don't disagree with your take on this. I just want to point out that JC did show talent and did put us in the position to win games that went badly due to factors outside of his control. ie. Our defense had letdowns at the end of the Ravens and 49er games specifically. Last year he played not to lose, he needs to step up and play to win this year. His supporting cast has to step up with him. I agree that CP needs help too. Maybe with Dock back and more OT help (that we don't have yet) could provide the difference we need. Betts needs to get more carries! Our sophomore receivers need to get in the game this year too!

Hail!

I odn't believe he did that much. If you wanna give him credit for managing a game that was carried on CP's back, then I'll agree, but comparisons with CP carrying the load and CP not carrying the load don't lie.

Flacco rode a simlar wagon. A good running game, a sick defense, all he had to do was not give the game away. That's the way JC had to do it, but when the running game (the bread and butter of the offense last year) broke down, a miraculous coincidence happened...JC suddenly "got worse." I don't buy it. He could throw all those safe passes b/c the opposition stacked the line game planning vs CP, NOT the passing game. I'm not saying JC can't cut it, but I don't believe he did last year.

I guess we can say what we want about the past. If he doesn't get it done this year, his contract year, we know what's next....the cult of colt.

Cappster wrote:I think J Camp's problems can be associated with the predictability of our offense. We will see improvement this year. Patience

Completely agree with you. After about the 7th or 8th game I could guess what play we were going to run. And on passing plays everyone knew they were going to throw that stupid slant like they always do. If Zorn opens up the offense, especially on pass plays, Campbell will get better. Or at least I hope. I want him to do good this year.

yawn.

its good that he's showing confidence. and that he's not letting all you people who keep bashing him, get to him.. this is his 2nd year in the WCO and with an offseason of training and getting a ryhtem(no clue how to spell that) with his WR, i think this year he'll improve. just like he has been...

MDSKINSFAN wrote:

Cappster wrote:I think J Camp's problems can be associated with the predictability of our offense. We will see improvement this year. Patience

Completely agree with you. After about the 7th or 8th game I could guess what play we were going to run. And on passing plays everyone knew they were going to throw that stupid slant like they always do. If Zorn opens up the offense, especially on pass plays, Campbell will get better. Or at least I hope. I want him to do good this year.

And I think people forget that when the play calling was unpredictable early in the season that Campbell did pretty well. Its not hard to defend 7-8 plays that an offense runs when you know they are operating with a limited playbook. I also think Campbell has to release the Joe Gibbs mentality of "protecting the ball at all cost." A lot of things had to be worked out last year and I think some of the first year things for Zorn are a distant memory. Everyone can concentrate on executing the plays instead of learning the plays.

Cappster wrote:

MDSKINSFAN wrote:

Cappster wrote:I think J Camp's problems can be associated with the predictability of our offense. We will see improvement this year. Patience

Completely agree with you. After about the 7th or 8th game I could guess what play we were going to run. And on passing plays everyone knew they were going to throw that stupid slant like they always do. If Zorn opens up the offense, especially on pass plays, Campbell will get better. Or at least I hope. I want him to do good this year.

And I think people forget that when the play calling was unpredictable early in the season that Campbell did pretty well. Its not hard to defend 7-8 plays that an offense runs when you know they are operating with a limited playbook. I also think Campbell has to release the Joe Gibbs mentality of "protecting the ball at all cost." A lot of things had to be worked out last year and I think some of the first year things for Zorn are a distant memory. Everyone can concentrate on executing the plays instead of learning the plays.

Exactly. Hail!

I don't think Campbell needs a short leash, if anything he needs to be let off it.

Total yards, completion %, interception and fumble numbers were all good. The only difference between him and Eli Manning was the number of touchdowns.

Now certainly Campbell takes a hit on that, as he should, but you also gotta credit the playcalling which switched to a 6-1 ratio of run to pass (numbers pulled directly from my rectum, but that ratio seems close to accurate) whenever they got within the 30 yard line. You aren't going to throw a lot of touchdowns when the coach is sending in an overwhelming amount of running plays.

Campbell's throws really weren't often off target. More often than not, they were short (either by play-call design, or by his choice of reciever we'll never really know the percentage) or they were dropped by the reciever.

Even with all of that he still managed to complete over 60% of his passes.

Now don't get me wrong, he's not the second coming of Joe Montana, but he is a "capable" QB based on his production numbers. If he's given more chances to throw for the end-zone, with taller recievers (so he can put up a fade in the back corner) I certainly think he can get us into the play-offs.

I think Zorn got in his head a little last year. Got him afraid to take chances. It cut down his turnover numbers, but it made him tenative of putting the ball "up-for-grabs" which you typically do on a deep route.

leesburgskinsfan wrote:This is his "make or break" year and he knows it. I think he'll have a "make" year. We need OL help and if he gets that then all parts of the offense get better. CP will then bounce back too! Gotta get better and more depth on the OL.

Hail!

How many "make or break" years does he get? I think this will be his 3rd.

yupchagee wrote:

leesburgskinsfan wrote:This is his "make or break" year and he knows it. I think he'll have a "make" year. We need OL help and if he gets that then all parts of the offense get better. CP will then bounce back too! Gotta get better and more depth on the OL.

Hail!

How many "make or break" years does he get? I think this will be his 3rd.

I believe this is it for him. Contract year! If he doesn't shine and get us in the playoffs, I predict a slippery road here for JC as much as I like him.

13 TDs and a 10 ppg average is not a "really good year". What league does this guy think he plays in? This isn't 5th grade football.

If that is what he considers a "really good year", I am really curious to see what he thinks is a bad year. By his judgement Jeff Garcia had a hall of fame year.

I hope this year he'd give tana more chances up field, I mean last year the guy had to fall down and be 5 steps behind before he overthrows tana. He never took a chance, maybe it's coaching or maybe he's skittish, we all know he has the arm, I hope he has the guts to wanna use it. The first half of the season our RB was still fresh and we were able to grind it out at the end.

markshark84 wrote:13 TDs and a 10 ppg average is not a "really good year". What league does this guy think he plays in? This isn't 5th grade football.

If that is what he considers a "really good year", I am really curious to see what he thinks is a bad year. By his judgement Jeff Garcia had a hall of fame year.

10-4. This is the essence of Jason Can't Throw's problem perfectly. Where's the competitiveness? Where's the desire to achieve? He should be angry, disgusted with his lack of offensive production, but NOOO, not Jason....he's pretty pleased with himself. What a knucklehead.

And for those who reside in the same alternate universe that Campbell lives in and actually agrees with Jason's deluded personal evaluation of himself, let's be painfully blunt: Jason had a so so pre-season that ended with him looking clueless, and not nearly ready for prime time. And he started opening day re-enforcing that fear by stinking out the joint in NY. Miraculously, he actually resembled an NFL QB for weeks 2-5, but then the old Jason returned, and we lost to the win less Rams in week 6 (Portis was the only offense against a weak Ram defense).

And it went down hill from there. Forget that little outing in Detroit where Jason racked up some impressive stats ... we still had trouble scoring on the Lions pathetic no show defense and could have lost that game too. That's the real stat that needs to be looked at. The Lions gave up over 30 points in 11 games and over 40 points in 3 games last year, and at 0-16 we were one of their only competitive losses. No Pro Bowl Votes for squeaking by the Lions.

He in fact struggled most of the year, even with Portis running lights out. But when Portis was worn out, we saw what happened. He was totally ineffective. We went 2-6 with a weak win against a weak Seattle, and a defensive win against Philly.

Not only is Campbell an over paid, under achieving second tier QB .. but apparently his mental slowness in reading defenses isn't isolated in that area alone. He's mentally ill altogether.

This clown, this buffoon, this ultra maroon (as buggs bunny would say) needs to GO dock...yesterday.