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Running back Clinton Portis is not expected to be in Ashburn for the start of workouts. "I fully expect him to be here participating at some point," Zorn said of Portis. "I talked to Clinton on the phone yesterday, and he knows what it means. He's just trying to work out his schedule. He's been working out his schedule."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/jim_zorn_says_hes_ready_as_red.html#more

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Running back Clinton Portis is not expected to be in Ashburn for the start of workouts. "I fully expect him to be here participating at some point," Zorn said of Portis. "I talked to Clinton on the phone yesterday, and he knows what it means. He's just trying to work out his schedule. He's been working out his schedule."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/jim_zorn_says_hes_ready_as_red.html#more

Thanks for the link...wonder if Portis attributes his slow down/injuries at the end of the year to his off-season participation last year???

Good article. Some positive insight from Z. I'm really excited about the offseason and him having a chance to work with the offense and improve on some things.

As for Clinton, whats up with his schedule? He better not be dancing with the stars.

I'm glad we don't cut players for missing workouts

DEHog wrote:I'm glad we don't cut players for mising workouts

I am sure there were just looking for an excuse to unload Jason Taylor, and not make the organization look bad...then they let someone else get away with it

No one will care when he's candidate to be MVP again, hopefully the rest of the offense can keep up with him.

Cooter wrote:

DEHog wrote:I'm glad we don't cut players for mising workouts

I am sure there were just looking for an excuse to unload Jason Taylor, and not make the organization look bad...then they let someone else get away with it

i believe it did not cost anything as far as a cap hit to cut taylor, which added to the fact they can just clear his cap space

Cooter wrote:

DEHog wrote:I'm glad we don't cut players for mising workouts

I am sure there were just looking for an excuse to unload Jason Taylor, and not make the organization look bad...then they let someone else get away with it

Sorry. No one offers half a million just to work out unless that's what you intend. They did not need an excuse to cut him, as until they said they wanted to keep him all the pundits were expecting him to be cut.

I surmise that they offered him the money because they wanted him to work out under supervision... not as a pretext to cutting him. When he refused, it raised questions about his commitment. Why keep him at that point?

Countertrey wrote: When he refused, it raised questions about his commitment. Why keep him at that point?

Point taken, but the same could be said for many of our players over the years that did not workout at Redskins park. I am not saying that cutting J. Taylor was unjust, but it definitely made the organization look better for cutting him after his refusal, rather than cutting him and admitting they made a so called mistake acquiring him.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:No one will care when he's candidate to be MVP again, hopefully the rest of the offense can keep up with him.

We can only hope, CLL...

I surmise that they offered him the money because they wanted him to work out under supervision... not as a pretext to cutting him. When he refused, it raised questions about his commitment. Why keep him at that point?

If that's the case then how come it isn't a big deal that CP is missing workouts? If Taylor doesn't want to workout at Redskins Park that means he isn't committed, but if CP misses workouts it's ok? Seems like a double standard to me.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Seems like a double standard to me.

I totally agree, and that's why I think it was an excuse for the organization to cut J. Taylor without the milk spilling on them.

Not really, Taylor's injury was such that they wanted to keep a close eye on the situation. Clinton also already has a workout clause in his contract, so his missing time means the team will recoup some money.

Deadskins wrote:Not really, Taylor's injury was such that they wanted to keep a close eye on the situation. Clinton also already has a workout clause in his contract, so his missing time means the team will recoup some money.

Taylor's calf injury has long passed and I doubt they wanted to keep an eye on it, but I could be wrong. As for CP's clause, and don't get me wrong I love the man and he's a beast, but if the team wants hold a standard they should old it to everyone. Now, living in the real world I know that's not going to happen, but if you want everyone to buy into something, the same treatment across the board is needed.

Cooter wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Not really, Taylor's injury was such that they wanted to keep a close eye on the situation. Clinton also already has a workout clause in his contract, so his missing time means the team will recoup some money.

Taylor's calf injury has long passed and I doubt they wanted to keep an eye on it, but I could be wrong. As for CP's clause, and don't get me wrong I love the man and he's a beast, but if the team wants hold a standard they should old it to everyone. Now, living in the real world I know that's not going to happen, but if you want everyone to buy into something, the same treatment across the board is needed.

I don't buy that. You stay in your lane, keep your nose clean, and don't worry about what the Jones' are doing. Why should Doughty worry about what CP's doing ?? He shouldn't, he should mind his own business...

Not really, Taylor's injury was such that they wanted to keep a close eye on the situation.

Taylor played in the last six games of the season. If the injury was such a major concern then why did they let him play at the end of the season?

Clinton also already has a workout clause in his contract, so his missing time means the team will recoup some money.

We don't really know that that's the case. We'd have to see the contract first before jumping to that conclusion.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't buy that.

Good thing I wasn't selling it then .

VetSkinsFan wrote:You stay in your lane, keep your nose clean, and don't worry about what the Jones' are doing. Why should Doughty worry about what CP's doing besides not minding his business...

That's easier said then done, especially in our society. For some, your philosophy may work, and for other it may not be so easy. I believe whether we acknowledge it or not, everyone is looking at everyone else.

Cooter wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't buy that.

Good thing I wasn't selling it then .

VetSkinsFan wrote:You stay in your lane, keep your nose clean, and don't worry about what the Jones' are doing. Why should Doughty worry about what CP's doing besides not minding his business...

That's easier said then done, especially in our society. For some, your philosophy may work, and for other it may not be so easy. I believe whether we acknowledge it or not, everyone is looking at everyone else.

You caught it before i reread and edited my nonsense ending

Just b/c society doesn't do it doesn't mean it's right. If society would put as much effort in to themselves as the do worrying about other people, I think we'd be much better off.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Just b/c society doesn't do it doesn't mean it's right.

Agreed on many fronts.

VetSkinsFan wrote:If society would put as much effort in to themselves as the do worrying about other people, I think we'd be much better off.

Completely agree, but unfortunately that's a culture change I don't think our society is ready to accept.

Cooter wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Just b/c society doesn't do it doesn't mean it's right.

Agreed on many fronts.

VetSkinsFan wrote:If society would put as much effort in to themselves as the do worrying about other people, I think we'd be much better off.

Completely agree, but unfortunately that's a culture change I don't think our culture is ready to accept.

It could be implemented on a small, say, 53 man, basis, though.

VetSkinsFan wrote:It could be implemented on a small, say, 53 man, basis, though.

That's if you can get everyone to show up .

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Deadskins wrote: Not really, Taylor's injury was such that they wanted to keep a close eye on the situation.

Taylor played in the last six games of the season. If the injury was such a major concern then why did they let him play at the end of the season?

I can think of eight million reasons. Do you know anything about compartment syndrome injuries? People don't just bounce back from that.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Clinton also already has a workout clause in his contract, so his missing time means the team will recoup some money.

We don't really know that that's the case. We'd have to see the contract first before jumping to that conclusion.

Uh, we have seen the contract. He signed it two years ago.

Cooter wrote:As for CP's clause, and don't get me wrong I love the man and he's a beast, but if the team wants hold a standard they should old it to everyone.

My point is that they are holding them both to the same standard. They asked Clinton to renegotiate a couple of years ago, and included a workout clause at that time. If he had refused, and they did not cut him, then you would have an argument. As it stands, the team will not have to pay CP his workout bonus if he misses whatever percentage the contract calls for.

Deadskins wrote:My point is that they are holding them both to the same standard. They asked Clinton to renegotiate a couple of years ago, and included a workout clause at that time. If he had refused, and they did not cut him, then you would have an argument. As it stands, the team will not have to pay CP his workout bonus if he misses whatever percentage the contract calls for.

Guess J. Taylor should have gotten a better agent then .

I am sure Clinton has to attend a certain percentage of offseason workouts NOT totaling 100% to receive his bonus. Probably somewhere north of 85%. He will be there when he needs to be there.