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With only 4 1/2 hours until Free Agency, I thought we could talk about who we think the Skins will sign.

The Nashville Tennessean believes Albert Haynesworth may only be using the Redskins to drive up the free agent's price tag.

The Washington Post was skeptical at first too. The 'Skins don't currently have the cap space to offer a monster contract, so they would have to do some serious tinkering to pull it off.

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I say that we sign 3 or 4 middle of the road, young guys for cheaper.

Here's my prediction:

Derrick Dockery
Ray Willis
Angelo Crowell
DeAngelo Hall

No Haynesworth, he's not worth it, when we could get 3-5 guys to fill spots with his $.

I agree. Haynesworth's agent is using the Redskins to drive the price up knowing there are several teams out there with a ton of cap room who can actually afford Haynesworth. It might even be to the Redskins benefit to play along because the Giants have been mentioned as a team pusuing Haynesworth.

We are much better off attending to the business of re-signing D. Hall and then trying to shore up our O-line, D-line, LB and kickers. We won't get all of those positions solidified, but maybe 2 or 3 positions will improve before the draft.

Chris Canty? Do you think he is still a possibility?

I find the Haynesworth thing hard to believe too. Then again, landing one of the biggest names in free agency seems pretty typical of Snyder's M.O. Its exactly the kind of thing that puts people in the seats every September expecting big things.

I've got a bad feeling about Haynesworth. I think we sign him. . .and because of that, few others.

if we sign haynesworth it shows our f/o thinks we are 1 to 2 pieces away and due to that investment will be handcuffed to that thought process for another three years. if we instead spend that money on hall, dock, jason brown, we not only get better at poistions of need, but we get younger (than springs, rabach, and kendall if re-signed) and it shows we are trying to stay competitive while changing our approach.

and seriously, hall dock and brown being under contract come monday morning is not exactly conservative...just more conservative than haynesworth.

FA's signed - Chris Canty, Ray Willis, Derrick Dockery, Derrick Brooks, Jermaine Phillips (probably not though)
Draft - Bj Raji / Jerry , Max Unger / Alex Mack / Eric Wood


Scheme -

1st and second down Canty, Raji, Monty / Golston , Carter, Brooks, Fletcher, McIntosh, Rogers, Springs, Landry, Horton

3rd down - Chris Wilson, Canty, Griffen, Carter, Jason Taylor , London Fletcher, Springs, Rogers, Smoot, Phillips, Landry ( at ss allows him to blitz )

cost effective, allows us to move taylor and landry into blitzing mode on third down.. taylor on carter's side.. free'ing up the blitz from laron on the weak side.. more sacks... only problem is our secondary's ability is hinging on springs staying healthy.

and to all the naysayers that taylor can't play stand up linebacker watch the second philly game where he shadowed westbrooke and for the most part kept him ineffective

THATS IT! Ive had it I am done thinking were going to change so if you cant beat em! Go Crazy with them! I have given up the fight it is not like snyder and the italian tumor will ever listen to anyone in the media or the fans or look at other structures of the teams that have won the past couple Super Bowls! So I now want Haynesworth and I am not being sarcastic anymore, I have just joined the dark side. I really think he is going to be sick and make us that much better.

I saw a quote that says "He is pissed about all the 'hes going to get lazy when he gets his money' talk and he says he wants to prove he is worth every dollar. If we can also lock up Hall and an O-Lineman then HELL YEA! I have come to another conclusion who cares what are cap space is why cant we have these guys and draft next year. The point of cap space is to....you got it pay players. I dont care if they have come from other teams or we drafted them if. If we had drafted Haynesworth we would still have to pay him right now. So they have made a few mistakes, who is to say that whatever they do this offseason or however much money they spend wont bring us a Superbowl.

You dont win any trophies for being really good with a lot of cap space. Whoopy good for them. Buy the damn players and get me a parade!! No one has any idea what kind of impact our free agents or draft picks will have. I am just hoping that eventually we can do it this way and dont forget we did have 10 draft picks last year and all of ours next year which brings our average( depending that we dont trade anymore) to 7 picks a year from 2008-2010.

FIRST WERE GONNA TAKE HAYNESWORTH, AND THEN HALL, THEN DOCKERY AND CANTY AND WERE GOING ALL THE WAY TO SUPER BOWL YEEEAAAAAAHHHHH (think howard dean). Yes my fellow fans I have gone crazy join me on the dark side as in this movie the emperor(Danny boy) and darth vader( Vinny "the Italian tumor" Cerrato) will remain in control of the redskins universe for a long time.

(Is that better for paragraph princess can you see da words now?)

Just this morning, I was thinking about the concept of paragraphs. They really can be your friend. AND, as a bonus, people may actually read what you write! How is that?

Where do I find the list of every free agent from every team?

That's who I think we will sign and STILL have the $1 million in breathing room.

jake.. i think we can still make a splash this year. the way it works is we get a slate wiper in 2010. Basically with no cap then releasing a player will cause his salary to come due in 2010 but it won't matter with no salary cap.

I believe the new deals signed by Carter and Randle - el and Griffin were basically one year try outs. Get it done or your gone in 2010. Also look at players that will no longer be here in 2010.

Thrash, Cartright, Yoder, Collins, Rabech (?) , Jansen, Griffin, and Springs.

That's a lot of older veteran contracts that are a million here and a million there. Thrash will make it this year but not for 2010. Cartright may or may not make it this year depending on how well the two scatbacks we signed play. Yoder's replacement will be picked up via rookie free agent and we'll see davis take over the #2 tight end spot. Ditto for Brennan taking over for collins in 2010. Rabech's replacement will be drafted at some point this year or if we sign Jason Brown we will move him to C if and when Reinhart gets ready. Jansen and Griffin have been long overdue for cuts and springs will be gone.

That's roughly about 20 mil right there.

So back to my main point.. we can sign these big name guys as long as they are willing to make their 09 salary reasonable and have it increase in 2010 and so forth. Its not so much that we don't have the cap room this year but that we get a huge cap relief come 2010 when we can cut underperforming players without penalty

With DeAngelo Hall & Albert Haynesworth signed. I see the Redskins bringing in Derrick Dockery next. That may be all we have left to spend.

I see the next cuts coming to free up space:

Jason Taylor
Shawn Springs

spudstr04 wrote:With DeAngelo Hall & Albert Haynesworth signed. I see the Redskins bringing in Derrick Dockery next. That may be all we have left to spend.

I see the next cuts coming to free up space:

Jason Taylor
Shawn Springs

Dock and Springs down - Taylor to go.

Here's hoping it happens.

DarthMonk

Jason Taylor is still an elite talent. He was injured last season. The guy forced NINE fumbles in 2006 and four more in 07. He was the defensive player of the year, he's only 34. These are his peak seasons.

DarthMonk wrote:

spudstr04 wrote:With DeAngelo Hall & Albert Haynesworth signed. I see the Redskins bringing in Derrick Dockery next. That may be all we have left to spend.

I see the next cuts coming to free up space:

Jason Taylor
Shawn Springs

Dock and Springs down - Taylor to go.

Here's hoping it happens.

DarthMonk

And, here's hoping it doesn't. This guy still has a lot in the tank, and likely to be used in a more effective way. With AH taking up 2 or 3 blockers on many plays, he Taylor's opportunities for plays just increased.

If you want to cut off your nose to spite your face, however...

Going to be interesting to see what happens here and if a lot of fans here at THN who think they know what is best for this team really know anything at all


Personally I hope that Taylor is here and can get a chance to show that last season was not a fair indication of his abilities.

The only position that the play of one person is critical to success is the QB. Success at all the other positions is really dependent for the most part on other player's doing their jobs well also.

I felt that the critical areas of need for potential success this season lie in the offensive and defensive lines and really a lot of your chances for a winning performance revolves around begining with good line play from both lines.

We need these guys to complement each other and help each other.



I hope that Taylor also understands that he needs to re-work his contract as he did not really "earn" it last year and while some of that was due to not being used properly and being injured he needs to help the team make the decision a lot easier by reworking his deal.

PMG12569 wrote:THATS IT! Ive had it I am done thinking were going to change so if you cant beat em! Go Crazy with them! I have given up the fight it is not like snyder and the italian tumor will ever listen to anyone in the media or the fans or look at other structures of the teams that have won the past couple Super Bowls! So I now want Haynesworth and I am not being sarcastic anymore, I have just joined the dark side. I really think he is going to be sick and make us that much better.

I saw a quote that says "He is pissed about all the 'hes going to get lazy when he gets his money' talk and he says he wants to prove he is worth every dollar. If we can also lock up Hall and an O-Lineman then HELL YEA! I have come to another conclusion who cares what are cap space is why cant we have these guys and draft next year. The point of cap space is to....you got it pay players. I dont care if they have come from other teams or we drafted them if. If we had drafted Haynesworth we would still have to pay him right now. So they have made a few mistakes, who is to say that whatever they do this offseason or however much money they spend wont bring us a Superbowl.

You dont win any trophies for being really good with a lot of cap space. Whoopy good for them. Buy the damn players and get me a parade!! No one has any idea what kind of impact our free agents or draft picks will have. I am just hoping that eventually we can do it this way and dont forget we did have 10 draft picks last year and all of ours next year which brings our average( depending that we dont trade anymore) to 7 picks a year from 2008-2010.

FIRST WERE GONNA TAKE HAYNESWORTH, AND THEN HALL, THEN DOCKERY AND CANTY AND WERE GOING ALL THE WAY TO SUPER BOWL YEEEAAAAAAHHHHH (think howard dean). Yes my fellow fans I have gone crazy join me on the dark side as in this movie the emperor(Danny boy) and darth vader( Vinny "the Italian tumor" Cerrato) will remain in control of the redskins universe for a long time.

(Is that better for paragraph princess can you see da words now?)

Bom Bom Bom bom babom bom babom.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Jason Taylor is still an elite talent. He was injured last season. The guy forced NINE fumbles in 2006 and four more in 07. He was the defensive player of the year, he's only 34. These are his peak seasons.

While I agree that he had a ton of things working against him last season...it's 2009 and not 2006. He didn't show any signs of working out here and we were and would continue to be playing him out of position.

I feel good about freeing up some money and giving a cheaper and younger guy a chance hopefully.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:Jason Taylor is still an elite talent. He was injured last season. The guy forced NINE fumbles in 2006 and four more in 07. He was the defensive player of the year, he's only 34. These are his peak seasons.

While I agree that he had a ton of things working against him last season...it's 2009 and not 2006. He didn't show any signs of working out here and we were and would continue to be playing him out of position.

I feel good about freeing up some money and giving a cheaper and younger guy a chance hopefully.

Unfortunately 'cheaper and younger' means not as good in this case.

Look at the available defensive ends. After Julius Peppers (who we're NOT getting) the market is a barren wasteland.

Our only hope is to trade a late pick for a veteran end who is past his prime or draft someone which would leave us a hole on the offensive line.

(Also, we'd probably have to reach to draft a defensive end because Orakpo probably won't be there when we select at 13.)

Skinsfan55 wrote:Unfortunately 'cheaper and younger' means not as good in this case.

Look at the available defensive ends. After Julius Peppers (who we're NOT getting) the market is a barren wasteland.

Our only hope is to trade a late pick for a veteran end who is past his prime or draft someone which would leave us a hole on the offensive line.

(Also, we'd probably have to reach to draft a defensive end because Orakpo probably won't be there when we select at 13.)

Not as good as we were HOPING Jason would be. Fact is, he stunk it up for a myraid of reasons. Theres just as much of a chance he'd suck again this year as there would be a chance he'd be elite again. Regardless, he's gone now and we have 8 million to play with.

Also, another unknown is the true talent of our younger DE's... Buzzbe is one guy who may step up.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Unfortunately 'cheaper and younger' means not as good in this case.

Look at the available defensive ends. After Julius Peppers (who we're NOT getting) the market is a barren wasteland.

Our only hope is to trade a late pick for a veteran end who is past his prime or draft someone which would leave us a hole on the offensive line.

(Also, we'd probably have to reach to draft a defensive end because Orakpo probably won't be there when we select at 13.)

Not as good as we were HOPING Jason would be. Fact is, he stunk it up for a myraid of reasons. Theres just as much of a chance he'd suck again this year as there would be a chance he'd be elite again. Regardless, he's gone now and we have 8 million to play with.

Also, another unknown is the true talent of our younger DE's... Buzzbe is one guy who may step up.

Guys just don't jump off the PS and start dominating in the NFL.

It's hard to predict what the Redskins will do in free agency since sometimes their actions defy logic... but here's the roster so far:

QB- Jason Campbell
RB- Clinton Portis
FB- Mike Sellers
TE- Chris ey
WR- Santana Moss
WR- Antwaan Randle El
LT- Chris Samuels
LG- Derrick Dockery
C- Casey Rabach
RG- Randy Thomas
RT- ?

RDE- Andre Carter
DT- Albert Haynesworth
DT- Cornelius Griffin
LDE- ?
SLB- ?
MLB- London Fletcher-Baker
WLB- Rocky McIntosh
CB- DeAngelo Hall
CB- Carlos Rogers
FS- LaRon Landry
SS- Chris Horton

P- ?
K- ?

I think we can get a OT in the draft, and since our line is so old, it's the smartest move IMO.

On the defensive side of the ball it's probably best to get someone in free agency, but how much money do we have left? Can we afford some mid level guys?

I would bet that the Redskins get an OT in the draft, sign Angelo Crowell and go for a value pick at defensive end. Perhaps someone who is talented, but hasn't seen a lot of NFL success. That's the kind of guy who could benefit from Haynesworth (think Kyle Vandenbosch.)

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:Unfortunately 'cheaper and younger' means not as good in this case.

Look at the available defensive ends. After Julius Peppers (who we're NOT getting) the market is a barren wasteland.

Our only hope is to trade a late pick for a veteran end who is past his prime or draft someone which would leave us a hole on the offensive line.

(Also, we'd probably have to reach to draft a defensive end because Orakpo probably won't be there when we select at 13.)

Not as good as we were HOPING Jason would be. Fact is, he stunk it up for a myraid of reasons. Theres just as much of a chance he'd suck again this year as there would be a chance he'd be elite again. Regardless, he's gone now and we have 8 million to play with.

Also, another unknown is the true talent of our younger DE's... Buzzbe is one guy who may step up.

Buzzbe, Sinclair, Wilson.......all MUST step up if they want to be recognized.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Guys just don't jump off the PS and start dominating in the NFL.

-It's hard to break out when you're underneath of Jason Taylor...

-It's hard to break out at DE when your team doesn't have good DT's...

We have the DT's and now we can TRULY evaluate our young ends. They were all playing at a disadvantage do to our DT situation.