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SI.com's Peter King believes that free agent Albert Haynesworth has overrated his market value.

The Falcons and Lions have already all but pulled out of the running and King suggests that only Redskins owner Dan Snyder will pony up. Snyder had dinner with Haynesworth's agent over the weekend. King says Haynesworth's falling stock stems from his injuries, motor, age, and obvious price tag.

There's no long line waiting to pry Albert Haynesworth from the Titans.

In fact, Washington might be the logical landing spot. Hmmmm. I wonder why Redskins owner Dan Snyder was having dinner with the agent for Haynesworth, Chad Speck, at Morton's here Saturday night. I'm sure they were just talking about how it was colder here than at the Arctic Circle. But I kept asking all weekend: "Who wants Haynesworth -- or, more appropriately, who's going to pony up for him?'' And I got the old "it only takes one'' answer a few times. But one coach told me the smartest thing, and this was a coach who has some interest in getting Haynesworth at the right price, which is about half of what Haynesworth is hoping to get. "Everybody I've asked this weekend says, 'We're out of that,' or 'I don't think you'll see us involved in Haynesworth.' ''

Sad, really, because he's a great football player, an impactful player who can change a game from the interior defensive line spot. The downer stuff about Haynesworth:

• He's never played a full season. He's started three, 11, 10, 14, 10, 12 and 14 in his seven seasons.

• He's never played more than 65 percent of the Titans' defensive snaps in a season. You might say a Nnamdi Asomugha is tremendously overpaid at $15-million a year (much more on him later in the column), but Asomugha or a quarterback is going to play 95 percent of his unit's plays in the course of a year, barring injury. Even if healthy, Haynesworth's going to come off the field a third of the time, minimum. So do you want to pay quarterback money to a player who never touches the ball and plays two-thirds of the snaps a franchise quarterback plays? It makes no sense.

• He's got a reputation for coasting on some plays.

• He'll be 28 on opening day. You want to pay a 335-pound guy who's never started more than 14 games and is entering his eighth year $13 million or $15 million a year? Good luck.

In the end, my guess is Snyder will pay up and grab him. He's the kind of trophy player Snyder would love to have, and the kind of player, if healthy, who will really help the Redskins close the gap on the Giants in the NFC East.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Haynesworth having an indian on his helmet only helps us

Cap Shmap, We need a pass rush and a run stuffer.

With haynesworth and montgomery in the middle the ends should get more sacks.

when healthy

VetSkinsFan wrote:The only two guys we can say that with (and one is with reservation) is

when healthy

, Griffin and Daniels are noticeable.

Peter King

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Haynesworth having an indian on his helmet only helps us

Cap Shmap, We need a pass rush and a run stuffer.

With haynesworth and montgomery in the middle the ends should get more sacks.

Montgomery is nothing more than a serviceable rotation guy. He's NOT made an impact when on the field. The only two guys we can say that with (and one is with reservation) is

when healthy

, Griffin and Daniels are noticeable.

fleetus wrote:Haynesworth, at the price he will command, is another over-priced, work ethic challenged, injury-prone, prima donna that is EXACTLY what we DON'T need. We've been down this road before. We need younger, cheaper not older, over-priced.

Seriously can anyone on this planet remember the last time the Redskins have had a serious defensive tackle of Haynesworths caliber? It has been twenty years or so.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

fleetus wrote:Haynesworth, at the price he will command, is another over-priced, work ethic challenged, injury-prone, prima donna that is EXACTLY what we DON'T need. We've been down this road before. We need younger, cheaper not older, over-priced.

Just out of curiosity....where do you suggest that we find a younger, cheaper DT that can collapse the pocket? I'm all for bringing in someone other than Haynesworth because he is going to cost too much money, but at the same time I'd like to hear people actually point out some realistic alternative options. DT is a weak position in this year's draft so unless Raji falls to us at 13 I think it's going to be very difficult to improve out dline this off-season.

SkinsFreak wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

fleetus wrote:Haynesworth, at the price he will command, is another over-priced, work ethic challenged, injury-prone, prima donna that is EXACTLY what we DON'T need. We've been down this road before. We need younger, cheaper not older, over-priced.

Just out of curiosity....where do you suggest that we find a younger, cheaper DT that can collapse the pocket? I'm all for bringing in someone other than Haynesworth because he is going to cost too much money, but at the same time I'd like to hear people actually point out some realistic alternative options. DT is a weak position in this year's draft so unless Raji falls to us at 13 I think it's going to be very difficult to improve out dline this off-season.

I actually agree there Canes.

Just about everyone here has agreed that the DE's, secondary and the defense as a whole would benefit immensely from a stud DT and a stronger push from the middle of the d-line.

I still believe that part of the problem regarding a lack of a pass rush from the d-line is related in part to the scheme design of containment the players spoke about a few months ago. Nevertheless, we know a DT is needed.

Yes, we hope the FO has learned from the past. I believe part of the past problems with awarding free agents with huge contracts is that once the player got paid, they seemed to slack off and not give full effort. If they decided to get Haynesworth, I think an incentive-laden contract would make far more sense and would significantly lower the overall risk of signing him. Perhaps an incentive-laden contract based on number of games played and total number of sacks... or something like that. If they did a contract like that, I wouldn't have a problem with signing the guy. If he remained healthy and motivated for his contract, he would be a huge upgrade for our defense.

Countertrey wrote:

Seriously can anyone on this planet remember the last time the Redskins have had a serious defensive tackle of Haynesworths caliber? It has been twenty years or so.

Point taken...

But, there are a few of us whom have vivid memories of Dave Butz making a living 3 yards behind the center.

Fios wrote:Lot of ifs there ... this is one of the things the front office is going to have to come to grips with, not every need can be addressed. It's going to take some recognition that making do with less-than-ideal players will have to suffice for now if they are serious about establishing a long-term and viable core. Making A signing to address A need that hinders their ability to add depth is the wrong approach.

Washington Times wrote:Zorn said the Redskins' sack (24) and interception (13) totals will improve but defended the lack of pressure on first and second downs by pointing out the defense was eighth against the run.

"We had good athletes and our scheme was very run-limiting," he said. "It's not cautious, but it's disciplined. ... We would all like a much stronger pass rush on third down, and we're working on improving that. We're not satisfied with the lack of sacks and the lack of interceptions. We're going to get better in those two areas."

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm willing to give Zorn the benefit of the doubt on evaluating our '08 draft picks a year later. But this does mean that we're going to have to start seeing production from them in 2009, or else what does that say about our FO / coaches?

The fact that ARE seems so entrenched is what makes me nervous about this.

frankcal20 wrote:.....we are very experienced in over paying guys who are on the downside of their careers.

I think a quote is perfect for this situation "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it"