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Hey everyone, i have been reading this site for the last month now and read some interesting things... Here is a list of what i think needs to happen this offseason. feel free to elaborate and let me know your thoughts...

-trade cooley, samuels, randle el, (cut) thrash, (cut) springs, and possibly dump moss too. (cooley had a dreadful season this year and i do believe that fred davis has great potential to be better than cooley. according to zorn he was there most improved player in practice. cooley has good value too. samuels is getting up there and the redskins need a new look at o-line... also he has good value. randle el is garbage and is no longer needed. he can pack thrash too cuz he isnt needed either... springs is old and is getting injured consistently... deangelo hall is an excellent pickup and hopefully he gets resigned and he will play CB with rodgers. santana underachieved through most of the year and i only see him getting worse.

-open qb competition- i think there should be open qb competition this offseason between brennan and campbell because i truthfully dont see campbell as much of a leader and is VERY inconsistent. its worth a try and if campbell were to win it, if he starts off the year poorly i say bring in brennan if they had to. i like campbell but im not sure if he is ready to be starting qb yet.

-START DEVIN THOMAS AND MALCOLM KELLY AT #1 and #2 WR's next year- im sure to most this might sound stupid but i believe if they get there chance they will absolutely SHINE... kelly is a big target and will hopefully be healthy and thomas can turn IMO into an elite WR within the next few years. Moss should be slot WR and could be like a Wes Welker for the Skins.

-the first pick they have in this years draft whether they trade down MUST be an O-lineman. this is there biggest need so after that i would say DE. since i believe the skins need to start rebuilding through the draft it all starts with a solid o-line and d-line. also i would like it if they traded down because then they could get more of their needs with extra picks.

-many might disagree but i believe the redskins NEED a backup 1-2 punch with portis. maybe sproles or drafting javon ringer... portis is always banged up and this could be like a felix jones marion barber dual. this should not be addressed early in the draft becuz it is not a glaring need.

-GET RID OF SUISHAM- way too inconsistent to be starting in the nfl. they can find better than this trashbag. never liked him never will.

-Get either or Suggs, Peppers or Haynesworth. maybe even 2 of them. these are not the typical washed up players the skins usually sign these are more productive players and i really believe it could turn their franchise around.

-do not touch the secondary other than cutting springs. landry will be a star and horton looked good too.


The redskins have many needs and they should start the rebuilding now. they must try bringing in new faces because it just has not been working. the skins are always mediocre and its time for a change...

Welcome to the site, redskins4life21!

Albert Haynesworth, Devin Thomas as our #1 WR, and Colt (possibly) starting at QB? Well those would be some radical changes. . .that's for sure.

-trade cooley, samuels, randle el, (cut) thrash, (cut) springs, and possibly dump moss too. (cooley had a dreadful season this year and i do believe that fred davis has great potential to be better than cooley. according to zorn he was there most improved player in practice. cooley has good value too. samuels is getting up there and the redskins need a new look at o-line... also he has good value. randle el is garbage and is no longer needed. he can pack thrash too cuz he isnt needed either... springs is old and is getting injured consistently... deangelo hall is an excellent pickup and hopefully he gets resigned and he will play CB with rodgers. santana underachieved through most of the year and i only see him getting worse.

Trade our pro bowl TE who's 26, get rid of 3 WR (so essentially, get rid of all of our starting receivers). I don't think it's an intelligent choice to dump everyone who's started on this team for at any receiving position at one time. Moss will get a lot better when we have a true starter opposite him, and if one of the rooks pan out, that will happen.

Getting rid of arguably the best lineman we have when our line is in need of overhaul isn't intelligent IMO, either. He's still got a year or more in him, so he's not the largest priority on the O-line.

many might disagree but i believe the redskins NEED a backup 1-2 punch with portis. maybe sproles or drafting javon ringer... portis is always banged up and this could be like a felix jones marion barber dual. this should not be addressed early in the draft becuz it is not a glaring need.

I agree, but wth qualification. CP is banged up b/c we run like we have a 1-2, but there is no 2. CP, before getting injured, was on par to get 380 rushes for hte regular season. That's too many. Add to that total the selfles blocking and the catches out of the backfield, it's no wonder why he's banged up. I don't think the coaching staff value him as much as they should be running him in to the ground (rushing AND support).

Get either or Suggs, Peppers or Haynesworth. maybe even 2 of them. these are not the typical washed up players the skins usually sign these are more productive players and i really believe it could turn their franchise around.

Those are big names, and salary caps have to come in to play. I'm not a cap guru, so I have no idea, but with two high end FAs like those, it's gonna hit the pocket hard. Without knowing hte salary cap hits, it's tough to call.

Once you said trade ey, I stopped reading.

Come on people. I know it's the offseason but geez.

redskins4life21 wrote: -many might disagree but i believe the redskins NEED a backup 1-2 punch with portis. maybe sproles or drafting javon ringer... portis is always banged up and this could be like a felix jones marion barber dual. this should not be addressed early in the draft becuz it is not a glaring need.

-GET RID OF SUISHAM- way too inconsistent to be starting in the nfl. they can find better than this trashbag. never liked him never will.

couldn't agree more, i would love to get sproles... i think the redskins were one of the first teams to try and feature the two-back (power and speed) approach (Trung Candidate and someone, although neither were very good), and then thought they had something with Betts, especially after he filled in for CP a few years ago... however, Betts has proven to be inneffective and inconsistent... sproles appears to be a playmaker, someone that if he were on the field more, teams would have to account for him, for the fact that if he hits a hole, he can break a huge run, and is a passing threat out of the backfield... i think a lot of teams/fans were surprised with his play in the last few weeks...

also, Suisham is bad, as others have said, too inconsisten... when 90% (if not more) of the teams in the NFL line up to kick a 50-55 yard FG, i would say fans feel they have at least a 50% chance of making it... when the Redskins line up for a 50-55 yard FG, opposing teams put a player in the end zone to return the short kick; and personally, as a redskins fan, feel like he has a 10% chance of making it...

Jake wrote:Once you said trade ey, I stopped reading.

Come one people. I know it's the offseason but geez.

Apparently in addition to a "fantasy" forum we need a "nightmare" one. This could have been the first post.

Trade ey? lol. Keep Moss as a #2, Thomas #1 and use Kelly in the slot until he learns the offense (if ever).
Get rid of Springs, Jansen, Washington, Wade and Taylor and maybe pick up one of those FA's you have listed if it doesn't hurt our Cap.
Now with that said, we have Vinny "Sidekick" Cerrato and that little owner of ours running the asylum and no matter what they do, it will probably turn into a disaster anyway.

Ok, I was almost buying what you were saying...all the way up until you wrote this:

open qb competition- i think there should be open qb competition this offseason between brennan and campbell because i truthfully dont see campbell as much of a leader and is VERY inconsistent. its worth a try and if campbell were to win it, if he starts off the year poorly i say bring in brennan if they had to. i like campbell but im not sure if he is ready to be starting qb yet.

I don't have a problem with the open QB camp but to say lets bench JC because he does not seem to be a starting QB yet mention letting Colt have a go at it. yeah. I'm sorry I missed the boat where Colt played in the NFL and has shown he is ready to be our #1 QB. I like Colt don't get me wrong but I would say he's farther along then JC at this point.

and to those who keep saying look at Baltimore.....the coach made the offense simple for his QB. Which I honestly don't think Zorn did for JC.

redskins4life21 wrote:Hey everyone, i have been reading this site for the last month now and read some interesting things... Here is a list of what i think needs to happen this offseason. feel free to elaborate and let me know your thoughts...

-trade cooley, samuels, randle el, (cut) thrash, (cut) springs, and possibly dump moss too. (cooley had a dreadful season this year and i do believe that fred davis has great potential to be better than cooley. according to zorn he was there most improved player in practice. cooley has good value too. samuels is getting up there and the redskins need a new look at o-line... also he has good value. randle el is garbage and is no longer needed. he can pack thrash too cuz he isnt needed either... springs is old and is getting injured consistently... deangelo hall is an excellent pickup and hopefully he gets resigned and he will play CB with rodgers. santana underachieved through most of the year and i only see him getting worse.

-open qb competition- i think there should be open qb competition this offseason between brennan and campbell because i truthfully dont see campbell as much of a leader and is VERY inconsistent. its worth a try and if campbell were to win it, if he starts off the year poorly i say bring in brennan if they had to. i like campbell but im not sure if he is ready to be starting qb yet.

-START DEVIN THOMAS AND MALCOLM KELLY AT #1 and #2 WR's next year- im sure to most this might sound stupid but i believe if they get there chance they will absolutely SHINE... kelly is a big target and will hopefully be healthy and thomas can turn IMO into an elite WR within the next few years. Moss should be slot WR and could be like a Wes Welker for the Skins.

-the first pick they have in this years draft whether they trade down MUST be an O-lineman. this is there biggest need so after that i would say DE. since i believe the skins need to start rebuilding through the draft it all starts with a solid o-line and d-line. also i would like it if they traded down because then they could get more of their needs with extra picks.

-many might disagree but i believe the redskins NEED a backup 1-2 punch with portis. maybe sproles or drafting javon ringer... portis is always banged up and this could be like a felix jones marion barber dual. this should not be addressed early in the draft becuz it is not a glaring need.

-GET RID OF SUISHAM- way too inconsistent to be starting in the nfl. they can find better than this trashbag. never liked him never will.

-Get either or Suggs, Peppers or Haynesworth. maybe even 2 of them. these are not the typical washed up players the skins usually sign these are more productive players and i really believe it could turn their franchise around.

-do not touch the secondary other than cutting springs. landry will be a star and horton looked good too.


The redskins have many needs and they should start the rebuilding now. they must try bringing in new faces because it just has not been working. the skins are always mediocre and its time for a change...

welcome and well said there i,m for it .....

The original poster is on to something. His ideas should not be totally ignored.

Why not trade the guys on the team that have some value?

El Mexican wrote:The original poster is on to something. His ideas should not be totally ignored.

Why not trade the guys on the team that have some value?

This post should be totally ignored

El Mexican wrote:Why not trade the guys on the team that have some value?

Um, because then we would have no one of value on the team?

When we drafted Davis the thought of what the FO was thinking...lead me to think about the possibility of trading ey. I watched him closely this year and I'll admit I felt his game was not as good as previous years. But there are also many reasons for that some which ey has no control of. I will say this he is of value and if they think Davis is going to be great...why not trade one of them???

i think the redskins were one of the first teams to try and feature the two-back (power and speed) approach

Uh...no. That statement reveals that you're not a football historian in the least.

The two-back approach goes back at least a little (50 years?) before Trung Canidate's time.

Hell, more recently, we had the Steelers (Harris and Blier) and or Dolphins (Czonka, Morris) in the 70's, and the Browns in the 80's (Mack and Byner). Hell...even our own Redskins in the 80's had Riggins and Washington.

Trung Canidate indeed.

El Mexican wrote:The original poster is on to something. His ideas should not be totally ignored.

Why not trade the guys on the team that have some value?

There's this magical thing called a salary cap, where when you trade a player under contract, their cap numbers accelerate and count against the cap for that year.

Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen for the Raiders and Christian Okoye and Barry Word for the Chiefs were unstoppable power-speed RB combinations in Tecmo Superbowl. Both from the early 90s.

PulpExposure wrote:

i think the redskins were one of the first teams to try and feature the two-back (power and speed) approach

Uh...no. That statement reveals that you're not a football historian in the least.

The two-back approach goes back at least a little (50 years?) before Trung Canidate's time.

Hell, more recently, we had the Steelers (Harris and Blier) and or Dolphins (Czonka, Morris) in the 70's, and the Browns in the 80's (Mack and Byner). Hell...even our own Redskins in the 80's had Riggins and Washington.

Trung Canidate indeed.

well, i don't ever recall claiming that i was a football historian, as i do have other more important things in life to worry about... i do know those players, however, wouldn't have been able to tell you their RB partner... i meant to say a more recent team (in my opinion) that brought it back (as i was not watching football in the decades of 50/60/70's and part of the 80's, as i am only in my 20's... I don't recall all RB pairs of 50 years ago, let alone 20 years ago...

off the top of my head, i didn't recall many teams in the late 90's or early 2000's, but i wasn't clear as to what i was talking about, my mistake... I didn't mean to come across as stating that the Redskins invented/created this concept either... not sure how time/carries was split between most of those guys, but i feel that when Candidate was here, it was even, probably more a result of not having a feature back...

the point i was intially trying to make was that teams now are drafting a RB in the early rounds, even though they have a #1 RB already, and it seems to be working for them... and i don't think that Betts is our answer as threat at RB... look at the Cardinals, Cowboys, Chargers, Giants, Titans, Colts, Panthers, Falcons, Saints (even with Deuce hurting recently), Dolphins, and Jets; those are the type of RB combo's i was talking about now... most of these teams have a young feature back, and then drafted/signed another capable RB to share carries, or even start... i was simply stating my opinion that i don't have confidence in Betts anymore...

Irn-Bru wrote:Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen for the Raiders and Christian Okoye and Barry Word for the Chiefs were unstoppable power-speed RB combinations in Tecmo Superbowl. Both from the early 90s.

Exactly, that's whey they should have traded them, when they had some value. Let me ask you this, what value are the Raiders or the Chiefs getting from those players now? Got you there, didn't I?

How do you argue points like that you should trade players because they have "value," if you THINK someone will be good you drafted you should either trade him (and get little since he's done nothing) or the pro-bowler we plan to replace him with, we should start a sixth round draft pick because expectations for him should be the same as for the #3 and #18 overall picks and if they aren't you were stupid for drafting him. I also like the gurus who want to solve problems by cutting players without a hint of who they are going to bring in. If we cut Suisham, we'll stop missing field goals! Apparently no one needs to make them, we just need to stop missing them!

This thread should be in fantasy, with fantasy meaning not dreaming but stupid.

El Mexican wrote:The original poster is on to something. His ideas should not be totally ignored.

Why not trade the guys on the team that have some value?

Salary cap implications. This isn't major league baseball where you can trade just about anybody.

Jake wrote:Once you said trade ey, I stopped reading.

Same here, this guy is out of his mind! JC and JZ are the reasons for eys "dreadful season," he is the epitome of a Redskin.

here's a idea let trade you to a dallas cowgirl site

The OFSEASON has officially started with this thread.

why in the world would we trade ey and Samuels?? it seriously makes no sense at all. ey had a career year in Rec and Yards, and they both made the Pro Bowl. not to mention the crazy cap implications.

LORD GIBBS wrote:here's a idea let trade you to a dallas cowgirl site

Can we ask for a Cheerleader in return? Atleast we get someone ...Hot back. LOL.

It's been demonstrated in the past that when the Danny wants a player or trades away someone, cap issues don't matter. They find a way to re-structure contracts, give guaranteed money, etc.

Some years ago Betts was on the trading block, I bellieve, and had a come off a great season. His value was high. There were talks about trading him, but the team decided to keep him.

Yeah ey and Samuels are great players and that's why the team should at least explore the market in trade options. We have way too many needs on this team to think that one or two drafts will fill them (the entire Oline and Dline, LB, WR, kicker, home run hit RB).

We need a Hershell Walker- type deal to start getting serious and return every year to the playoffs.

i love how every1 is attacking me... calm down its a message board. u think cooley will do anything next year or the year after?? if there not going to throw him the ball then y should he be on the team... chris samuels is old and wut makes you think he is gonna be good in the coming years?