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Offensive Line

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:20 pm
by Cooley47
I was thinking about today's game against the Eagles and the draft and I was wondering what you all thought about our offensive line for next year.

I wanna see Heyer at LT and Rinehart at LG today and @ SF to see if we can stick with that next year or slide Heyer back to RT and have Samuels go back to Left.

Alot of people are saying we need to draft a tackle and I am absolutely one of them but if Samuels is good for next year and Heyer can play right next year then maybe not... Maybe next year could be Samuels - Rinehart - Rookie(Caldwell from BAMA 1st rd, Mack from CAL or Luigs from ARK 3rd rd. Others?) - Thomas - Heyer... Or Heyer-Rinehart-Rabach-Thomas-Rookie or Rookie-Rine-Rookie-Thomas-Heyer...

Either way I think the Redskins need to find out what they have in Rinehart and Heyer to gauge needs for the draft. Maybe we won't have to draft an OL in the first and we can draft a DL... What do you guys think for next years O-Line?

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:29 pm
by Gibbs4Life
This is last year for Randy Thomas, I was a fan but he's just physically over

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:31 pm
by Cooley47
So do you think we can replace LG C RG and RT or all five? We simply cant keep going with Kendall and Rabach and u might be right about Thomas but we gotta keep someone... right???

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:37 pm
by El Mexican
Samuels and Rabach stay. Everyone else goes, unless they come back as backups and/or heavy paycuts.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:50 pm
by gibbs4president
Jansen will be back. He might not play, but he'll be with the team.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:20 pm
by VetSkinsFan
Samuels went to the Pro-Bowl, so he MUST have notdone too bad this year. I doubt he's not her at left tackle next year.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:20 pm
by fleetus
Not sure I see where Kendall has played poorly. He's not a star, but neither is Rabach or Heyer. RG and RT are the positions in most need of help. You draft the best G or T you can find, depending on how the draft cookie crumbles and let that guy compete for a job. There are alot of tackles in free agency this year too, depending on which teams re-sign their players.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:16 pm
by Redskin in Canada
gibbs4president wrote:Jansen will be back. He might not play, but he'll be with the team.
I do not think so unless he takes a HUGE pay cut.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:39 pm
by John Manfreda
we ought to trade Samuals today showed we don't need him and he is overrated. He has some value and we can get something for him. Heyer is fine at tackle and put Rhinhart at guard and lets see if we can get a another guard or tackle in the draft.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:47 pm
by redskins14ru
heyer was smooth today and the backs blocked well, oh the left gaurd cought my eye and portis was running great. 8) :? 8)

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:00 pm
by PulpExposure
John Manfreda wrote:we ought to trade Samuals today showed we don't need him and he is overrated. He has some value and we can get something for him. Heyer is fine at tackle and put Rhinhart at guard and lets see if we can get a another guard or tackle in the draft.


Sure, trade Samuels. Have any idea what his cap hit would be next year? I think it may be 10 million or so. Yay to that idea.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:07 pm
by fleetus
PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:we ought to trade Samuals today showed we don't need him and he is overrated. He has some value and we can get something for him. Heyer is fine at tackle and put Rhinhart at guard and lets see if we can get a another guard or tackle in the draft.


Sure, trade Samuels. Have any idea what his cap hit would be next year? I think it may be 10 million or so. Yay to that idea.


My thoughts exactly. There is a reason these guys all want huge bonus money.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:43 pm
by redskins14ru
PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:we ought to trade Samuals today showed we don't need him and he is overrated. He has some value and we can get something for him. Heyer is fine at tackle and put Rhinhart at guard and lets see if we can get a another guard or tackle in the draft.


Sure, trade Samuels. Have any idea what his cap hit would be next year? I think it may be 10 million or so. Yay to that idea.


mentioning the samuels trade you are a braver man than I , I say we get to the point and push that right along, he and a 2nd round would get us a first for sure and I think that makes 2 first round pick for us. however he we can't obtain a 2nd round pick then a third will get us higher in the first round, that i am alomost sure of.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:58 pm
by redskins14ru
PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:we ought to trade Samuals today showed we don't need him and he is overrated. He has some value and we can get something for him. Heyer is fine at tackle and put Rhinhart at guard and lets see if we can get a another guard or tackle in the draft.


Sure, trade Samuels. Have any idea what his cap hit would be next year? I think it may be 10 million or so. Yay to that idea.


consistancy may be the biggest problem at gaurd for the line one week on one week off.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:09 pm
by Corporate Exec.
Redskin in Canada wrote:
gibbs4president wrote:Jansen will be back. He might not play, but he'll be with the team.
I do not think so unless he takes a HUGE pay cut.


I agree.....uh yeah lets keep jansen on the team with his salary and not play him,that makes sense :roll:

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:13 pm
by John Manfreda
PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:we ought to trade Samuals today showed we don't need him and he is overrated. He has some value and we can get something for him. Heyer is fine at tackle and put Rhinhart at guard and lets see if we can get a another guard or tackle in the draft.


Sure, trade Samuels. Have any idea what his cap hit would be next year? I think it may be 10 million or so. Yay to that idea.

Think, tell me when you would know. He is still overrated and unproductive and we still don't need him.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:37 pm
by redskins14ru
Corporate Exec. wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:
gibbs4president wrote:Jansen will be back. He might not play, but he'll be with the team.
I do not think so unless he takes a HUGE pay cut.


I agree.....uh yeah lets keep jansen on the team with his salary and not play him,that makes sense :roll:


can he play gaurd

Re: Offensive Line

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:30 am
by crazyhorse1
Cooley47 wrote:I was thinking about today's game against the Eagles and the draft and I was wondering what you all thought about our offensive line for next year.

I wanna see Heyer at LT and Rinehart at LG today and @ SF to see if we can stick with that next year or slide Heyer back to RT and have Samuels go back to Left.

Alot of people are saying we need to draft a tackle and I am absolutely one of them but if Samuels is good for next year and Heyer can play right next year then maybe not... Maybe next year could be Samuels - Rinehart - Rookie(Caldwell from BAMA 1st rd, Mack from CAL or Luigs from ARK 3rd rd. Others?) - Thomas - Heyer... Or Heyer-Rinehart-Rabach-Thomas-Rookie or Rookie-Rine-Rookie-Thomas-Heyer...


Either way I think the Redskins need to find out what they have in Rinehart and Heyer to gauge needs for the draft. Maybe we won't have to draft an OL in the first and we can draft a DL... What do you guys think for next years O-Line?


It would be madness to think we don't need at least three upgrades on the offensive line. Our offense sucked today, as usual. Our first two draft choices must be OL'a and we need FA OL's as well. On D, we should be willing to pay big bucks for a FA DT.

Re: Offensive Line

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:10 am
by crazyhorse1
Cooley47 wrote:I was thinking about today's game against the Eagles and the draft and I was wondering what you all thought about our offensive line for next year.

I wanna see Heyer at LT and Rinehart at LG today and @ SF to see if we can stick with that next year or slide Heyer back to RT and have Samuels go back to Left.

Alot of people are saying we need to draft a tackle and I am absolutely one of them but if Samuels is good for next year and Heyer can play right next year then maybe not... Maybe next year could be Samuels - Rinehart - Rookie(Caldwell from BAMA 1st rd, Mack from CAL or Luigs from ARK 3rd rd. Others?) - Thomas - Heyer... Or Heyer-Rinehart-Rabach-Thomas-Rookie or Rookie-Rine-Rookie-Thomas-Heyer...


Either way I think the Redskins need to find out what they have in Rinehart and Heyer to gauge needs for the draft. Maybe we won't have to draft an OL in the first and we can draft a DL... What do you guys think for next years O-Line?


Caldwell and Mack are great choices and would go a long way to help. I'd still try to pick up an classy OG as a free agent. Don't even think of going to other than OL with our first two picks-- that way lies continuing disaster.

Re: Offensive Line

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:10 am
by crazyhorse1
Cooley47 wrote:I was thinking about today's game against the Eagles and the draft and I was wondering what you all thought about our offensive line for next year.

I wanna see Heyer at LT and Rinehart at LG today and @ SF to see if we can stick with that next year or slide Heyer back to RT and have Samuels go back to Left.

Alot of people are saying we need to draft a tackle and I am absolutely one of them but if Samuels is good for next year and Heyer can play right next year then maybe not... Maybe next year could be Samuels - Rinehart - Rookie(Caldwell from BAMA 1st rd, Mack from CAL or Luigs from ARK 3rd rd. Others?) - Thomas - Heyer... Or Heyer-Rinehart-Rabach-Thomas-Rookie or Rookie-Rine-Rookie-Thomas-Heyer...


Either way I think the Redskins need to find out what they have in Rinehart and Heyer to gauge needs for the draft. Maybe we won't have to draft an OL in the first and we can draft a DL... What do you guys think for next years O-Line?


Caldwell and Mack are great choices and would go a long way to help. I'd still try to pick up an classy OG as a free agent. Don't even think of going to other than OL with our first two picks-- that way lies continuing disaster.

Re: Offensive Line

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:11 am
by crazyhorse1
Cooley47 wrote:I was thinking about today's game against the Eagles and the draft and I was wondering what you all thought about our offensive line for next year.

I wanna see Heyer at LT and Rinehart at LG today and @ SF to see if we can stick with that next year or slide Heyer back to RT and have Samuels go back to Left.

Alot of people are saying we need to draft a tackle and I am absolutely one of them but if Samuels is good for next year and Heyer can play right next year then maybe not... Maybe next year could be Samuels - Rinehart - Rookie(Caldwell from BAMA 1st rd, Mack from CAL or Luigs from ARK 3rd rd. Others?) - Thomas - Heyer... Or Heyer-Rinehart-Rabach-Thomas-Rookie or Rookie-Rine-Rookie-Thomas-Heyer...


Either way I think the Redskins need to find out what they have in Rinehart and Heyer to gauge needs for the draft. Maybe we won't have to draft an OL in the first and we can draft a DL... What do you guys think for next years O-Line?


Caldwell and Mack are great choices and would go a long way to help. I'd still try to pick up an classy OG as a free agent. Don't even think of going to other than OL with our first two picks-- that way lies continuing disaster.

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:14 am
by crazyhorse1
El Mexican wrote:Samuels and Rabach stay. Everyone else goes, unless they come back as backups and/or heavy paycuts.


Rabach could come back as a backup only, as far as I'm concerned. No way should Jansen be back in any capacity, except maybe as assistant coach.

We need four OL and one great DT.

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:08 pm
by Cooley47
I don't know who thinks we are going to trade Samuels for a 1 but you are crazy. He is a 30something tackle coming off a bad injury and you are going to get a 1?? No. Remember we do not have a 2 this year. (Please someone tell me I'm wrong). I think they need to see if Samuels can go one more year at LT if not RT and have Heyer play the other one. Jansen is done. Rabach is done. Kendall is done. Offensive line next year could be...

Heyer - Rinehart - Mack - Thomas - Oher

I would at least be excited for the youth and potential. Oher with the 1. Mack with the 3. Maybe another OL or 2 later in the draft for depth.

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:16 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
With a major reshuffling of the offensive line, just how well do you expect Jason to play if that's the supposed main reason for his spotty play?

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:21 pm
by Cooley47
Chris Luva Luva wrote:With a major reshuffling of the offensive line, just how well do you expect Jason to play if that's the supposed main reason for his spotty play?


I agree. But what else can we do?? With the exception of keeping Samuels at LT there is no way we can keep any of the other guys. You have to change at some point if you ever want to get better.