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I wanted to hear other fans' take on how the Offensive Line should shape up in the next two years. They seemed to have fallen off in the blink of an eye, after such a valiant and stout presence in the early part of this season. Even Chris Samuels, the quiet workhorse who seemed go unnoticed for so many years has given up unlikely sacks this season and will hear questions about injuries from here on out. Who should stay, who should go, and who should be waiting to step in when the unexpected happens?

Kendall, Thomas, Jansen

I think you have to coach up Rinehart and Heyer and put them on the right side and stay with Kendall and Samuels when he heals on the left while you draft Samuels and Kendall's replacments. Coach up Rabach's replacement Geisinger to replace him and roll from there.

If you fire Zorn, you have to blow this team up. Keep a core group of guys plus the youngins' and start over with an entirely new coaching staff, etc..

Kendall is mediocre at best.

Jansen is injury prone is more concerned about staying healthty than blocking up front. He has lost alot between rehabs. he has also lost the punch that use to punish Strahan and others.

Rabach has not been very acuurate with scheming and alot of times he is blocking upfield as opposed to shuffleing back to help with pass protections. He was brought here for his pulling abilities, but we dont pull the Center and he dont block.

Samuels is a 5x Pro Bowler.. hardly "unnoticed."

I see a revamp needed in the next two years. Samuels is the only 1 I see that may not deminish too far in the next two seasons.

I meant unnoticed the way good linemen's names never come up during games. He has been spectacular and he clearly can still hold his ground. It's the rest I'm worried about.

Samuels is the only player on our oline that I am comfortable with going forward. Kendall is 36 and has bad knees, Jansen is done, and Thomas isn't the player he once was. Rabach has been inconsistent and appears to be having trouble setting the protections. Realistically, I expect Jansen and Kendall to not be starting next season with the other three still in the lineup.

I would not judge only individual positions. It is the CHEMISTRY and ability to play together as a UNIT that counts. These guys USED to get it done.

We are in poor shape not only because their game has diminished as a unit but because the QB takes a lifetime to get rid of the darn ball and there are no quality replacements.

The Skins have ALWAYs been known to be heavy at the top, meaning that we have expensive players and not many valuable back ups who can really start. When one of the expensive guys gets hurt, we know how it goes ...

Hey guys, only one thing: I am GRATEFUL to my Skins, win or lose, for the memories and the work they put into this team for many years of their lives. Some of them at the OL and DL may not be at the top of their careers anymore but that should not become a reason to be UNGRATEFUL and SOUR on them.

In the Not For Long league there is room for GRATITUDE and move forward. Do not insult some of our guys.

Thanks.

RiC

I'm good with keeping Samuels provided he works his rear off in the off-season. As for the rest of the line

We have to replace Kendall Rabach and Thomas that is just the cold hard truth. I'd start from LG and make my way right, Stephon Heyer is a suitable RT, Rinehart might be a good G, this is priority#1

Jansen has been terrible this season. I love the guy, but its time to hang them up. Put Heyer in at the RT spot next year. Its also time to see what we have in Reinhart. Put him in there for Kendall. Next year draft that center Mack from Cal. Rabach has not been what we thought he was when we drafted him. Thomas is still adequate for one more year and I'm confident Samuels will comeback strong.

I thought this needed repeating:

Hey guys, only one thing: I am GRATEFUL to my Skins, win or lose, for the memories and the work they put into this team for many years of their lives. Some of them at the OL and DL may not be at the top of their careers anymore but that should not become a reason to be UNGRATEFUL and SOUR on them.

In the Not For Long league there is room for GRATITUDE and move forward. Do not insult some of our guys.

Also, I read somewhere that Campbell is actually calling protection schemes this season and not Rabach.

Oh, and good to see you back redskincity.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Samuels is a 5x Pro Bowler.. hardly "unnoticed."

I see a revamp needed in the next two years. Samuels is the only 1 I see that may not deminish too far in the next two seasons.

I think you nailed it on this Vet. We need a revamp over two years, not a dump and chuck. It'll be a lot more effective, and as for:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I thought this needed repeating:

Hey guys, only one thing: I am GRATEFUL to my Skins, win or lose, for the memories and the work they put into this team for many years of their lives. Some of them at the OL and DL may not be at the top of their careers anymore but that should not become a reason to be UNGRATEFUL and SOUR on them.

In the Not For Long league there is room for GRATITUDE and move forward. Do not insult some of our guys.

Jansen and Samuel's have been great Skins. Rabach, Thomas and Kendall came here and are giving their all. No doubt they are aging and we need to be making changes, but you're right no one should forget they were warriors for us and disrespect them.

I don't think the line is necessarily entirely to blame either.

We make it pretty easy on other teams by allowing them to use their red-zone defense on us because we don't have any plays that will go more than 10-yards.

Bob 0119 wrote:I don't think the line is necessarily entirely to blame either.

We make it pretty easy on other teams by allowing them to use their red-zone defense on us because we don't have any plays that will go more than 10-yards.

I've been highly critical of the line all season, and while I do think that we need to replace at least two starters for next year, I think that a lot of the problems are a result of Zorn's pass blocking schemes. A lot of the problems don't seem to be from guys getting beat physically, but from out linemen looking confused. That rests on Zorn's shoulders. I think that he is as much to blame as our olinemen.

where's the button for five?

JansenFan wrote:Also, I read somewhere that Campbell is actually calling protection schemes this season and not Rabach.

Oh, and good to see you back redskincity.

I thought I heard something like that myself, but I didnt know if it was BS.

If that is the case, then wow. Portis mentioned something about 25 protection schemes; thats crazy.

Thanks JansenFan. Its feels good to be back!!

redskincity wrote:

JansenFan wrote:Also, I read somewhere that Campbell is actually calling protection schemes this season and not Rabach.

Oh, and good to see you back redskincity.

I thought I heard something like that myself, but I didnt know if it was BS.

If that is the case, then wow. Portis mentioned something about 25 protection schemes; thats crazy.

Thanks JansenFan. Its feels good to be back!!

Yeah man, welcome back.

Personally, I have reservations about Heyer. I would have to place his play since signing undrafted as adequate, but I still remember Kerney dominating that side of the line. I'm not saying he hasn't been a great signing, but if I had to pick his spot, it would be the guy backing up both tackle positions. I also know there are few Tackles out there who can take Kerney one on one for 60 min. Part of me hopes the Olinemen we draft and sign are giants with good girth (6-8 340ish) but with the recent signing of three guys at exactly 6-3 315 I get the feeling that Buges would rather have guys at that weight. Seems we never have any EarthMovers on the line and it seems more and more on purpose. I'm just saying, bigger guys can cover up mistakes, Ends have to run further to the QB, and Dlinemen are really getting big and nasty these days.

I would have it, Samuels, Rinehart(his best asset in the draft profile was strength), a 3rd round pick on the best available center, Free Agent guard with Girth(6-3 350), and the first round pick on the best available tackle with Girth. Heyer should be the backup at Tackle and Randy Thomas could backup the guard positions.

BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:I wanted to hear other fans' take on how the Offensive Line should shape up in the next two years. They seemed to have fallen off in the blink of an eye, after such a valiant and stout presence in the early part of this season. Even Chris Samuels, the quiet workhorse who seemed go unnoticed for so many years has given up unlikely sacks this season and will hear questions about injuries from here on out. Who should stay, who should go, and who should be waiting to step in when the unexpected happens?

Samuels has been named to pro bowls repeatedly and is probably the most famous offensive lineman in the country. Just a reminder.

As for your question. We don't have an offensive lineman who should be starting next season. Just a fact.

PAPDOG67 wrote:Jansen has been terrible this season. I love the guy, but its time to hang them up. Put Heyer in at the RT spot next year. Its also time to see what we have in Reinhart. Put him in there for Kendall. Next year draft that center Mack from Cal. Rabach has not been what we thought he was when we drafted him. Thomas is still adequate for one more year and I'm confident Samuels will comeback strong.

I agree with this.

We did not draft Raybach...

Andre' Smith (Alabama) we need



Smith is a LT and we have a Pro Bowl LT, but our Pro Bowl LT is not going to the Pro Bowl this year, and seems to be getting beaten by younger and stronger DE's, oh and he just suffered a season ending injury. Can Andre' block Demarcus Ware? With coaching I think so.

Could Samuels move to RT? IMO we need to make some moves to acquire (not give away) 1,2,&3rd round draft picks and spend them ALL on offensive lineman. We have the skill players QB RB WR TE, its just frustrating to see Jason on his back all season. FIX THE OL!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:We did not draft Raybach...

Really? He's only like 30 and he's only been here like 3 years? We didn't draft him? My bad...

Gibbs4Life wrote:Andre' Smith (Alabama) we need



Smith is a LT and we have a Pro Bowl LT, but our Pro Bowl LT is not going to the Pro Bowl this year, and seems to be getting beaten by younger and stronger DE's, oh and he just suffered a season ending injury. Can Andre' block Demarcus Ware? With coaching I think so.

Could Samuels move to RT? IMO we need to make some moves to acquire (not give away) 1,2,&3rd round draft picks and spend them ALL on offensive lineman. We have the skill players QB RB WR TE, its just frustrating to see Jason on his back all season. FIX THE OL!

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