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One option Cerrato has to look at is trading something we have of value for something we value more...

We need the Redskins equivalent of the "Herschel Walker Trade"
Now my first thought was Portis, but he really is the heart of this team and I think outside of 2 #1's and a 3 I wouldn't move him.
Next is Moss, he is probably worth 2 #1's
Then ey probably worth #1

If we traded our three best offensive players for equal value we'd theoretically recieve 5 #1 draft picks that's enough for a New OLine, while still keeping Jason, Ladell, Sellers, ARE Thomas Kelly Davis.

Obviously I doubt this kind of action but we are in a tough spot, and 1 or two additions I don't think is enough even if it was Haynesworth and Chad Johnson. Vinny better earn it this offseason, looking forward to Phillip Daniels return.

Gibbs4Life wrote: Next is Moss, he is probably worth 2 #1's

The patriots gave up a 3rd rounder for randy moss. Santana is not getting TWO number 1's.

Gibbs4Life wrote:One option Cerrato has to look at is trading something we have of value for something we value more...

We need the Redskins equivalent of the "Herschel Walker Trade"
Now my first thought was Portis, but he really is the heart of this team and I think outside of 2 #1's and a 3 I wouldn't move him.
Next is Moss, he is probably worth 2 #1's
Then ey probably worth #1

If we traded our three best offensive players for equal value we'd theoretically recieve 5 #1 draft picks that's enough for a New OLine, while still keeping Jason, Ladell, Sellers, ARE Thomas Kelly Davis.

Obviously I doubt this kind of action but we are in a tough spot, and 1 or two additions I don't think is enough even if it was Haynesworth and Chad Johnson. Vinny better earn it this offseason, looking forward to Phillip Daniels return.

This, possibly, is the worst idea I have ever heard.

Moss is 29 -- no #1.
ey is a receiving TE -- no #1.
Portis has 3-4 years left.

If we traded those players, in a combined deal. We would get at most 2 #1s and two 3rds --- and would kill our roster ---- all for the "potential" of four drafted players. No good.

Also,in terms of keeping Jason, Ladell, Sellers, ARE, Thomas, Kelly, and Davis and getting rid of moss, cooley, and CP ---- we would have no choice in this scenario and, ultimately, that would be the absolute WORST case scenario. None of them have value and, with the exception of Sellers, none of them have proven they are half decent NFL players.

If we did this, it would take us 5-7 years to rebuild.

Besides, we need to rebuild our front office before we can take care of our players.

What are we going to do because we we're 6-2 with wins in philly and at dallas we beat new orleans and arizona, now we look like its week 1 again or worse the pre-season in carolina. Our line play, my God, somethings got to be done, something drastic

markshark84 wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:One option Cerrato has to look at is trading something we have of value for something we value more...

We need the Redskins equivalent of the "Herschel Walker Trade"
Now my first thought was Portis, but he really is the heart of this team and I think outside of 2 #1's and a 3 I wouldn't move him.
Next is Moss, he is probably worth 2 #1's
Then ey probably worth #1

If we traded our three best offensive players for equal value we'd theoretically recieve 5 #1 draft picks that's enough for a New OLine, while still keeping Jason, Ladell, Sellers, ARE Thomas Kelly Davis.

Obviously I doubt this kind of action but we are in a tough spot, and 1 or two additions I don't think is enough even if it was Haynesworth and Chad Johnson. Vinny better earn it this offseason, looking forward to Phillip Daniels return.

This, possibly, is the worst idea I have ever heard.

Moss is 29 -- no #1.
ey is a receiving TE -- no #1.
Portis has 3-4 years left.

If we traded those players, in a combined deal. We would get at most 2 #1s and two 3rds --- and would kill our roster ---- all for the "potential" of four drafted players. No good.

Not to mention all of the salary cap ramifications for next year. ey just signed a huge deal, Portis just got a massive signing bonus for restructuring etc. All would accelerate as soon as you trade them.

Yeah here is a bit of information for everyone who always wants to trade away players.

They still count on your salary cap for a good portion of the money. This doesn't matter if you are paying them or not. The salary cap money is not all money that is being paid out.

Most times trading a player causes more salary cap woes then keeping the player. This is why you see so many players that have trade value getting cut.

Big player trades happen about 3-4 times year so dont expect being able to trade 3-4 players from one roster thats absurd.

So there is no trading our way out of this.

That leaves Free Agency and the Draft

We have to clear cap space, I'm sure there are ways to do it

Let's go get Haynesworth and a pass rusher

I think drafting Olineman is the way to go, no more old lineman please

Gibbs4Life wrote:
Let's go get Haynesworth and a pass rusher

somebody answer me this... why does everyone think we can get haynesworth? couldn't Tennessee simply Franchise him if they wanted to?

Gibbs4Life wrote:One option Cerrato has to look at is trading something we have of value for something we value more...

We need the Redskins equivalent of the "Herschel Walker Trade"
Now my first thought was Portis, but he really is the heart of this team and I think outside of 2 #1's and a 3 I wouldn't move him.
Next is Moss, he is probably worth 2 #1's
Then ey probably worth #1

If we traded our three best offensive players for equal value we'd theoretically recieve 5 #1 draft picks that's enough for a New OLine, while still keeping Jason, Ladell, Sellers, ARE Thomas Kelly Davis.

Obviously I doubt this kind of action but we are in a tough spot, and 1 or two additions I don't think is enough even if it was Haynesworth and Chad Johnson. Vinny better earn it this offseason, looking forward to Phillip Daniels return.

are you for real? the way portis plays, he probably does only have a few years left, i fear for his health after the NFL, he is constantly banged-up due to how he plays... Moss worth two #1's??? Moss wouldn't even be a #1 WR on probably half the teams in the league, if not more. i like moss, but if some team was dumb enough to give us two #1's for moss, that team would probably fold the following year due to a lack of fan support, as the fans would riot... lastly, trade cooley??? he is our most reliable receiver (when thrown to), and is a top 5 TE easily, his stats just don't always show it b/c this offense is pathetic. Put ey on a team with an offense (Dallas, NY Giants, Arizona (except you would have to remove either Boldin or Fitzgerald to see the ball), NO, Indianapolis, even the NY Jets, and his #'s would probably lead the league...

trading CC or CP would be detrimental to this team, and probably most true fans... you cannot trade proven stars for potential stars when we already lack sufficient depth at TE and RB (since Davis has not been able to do anything, and Betts hasn't showed flashes of himself from two years ago)...

I do hope that JZ plays the younger guys more on offense though, to start to gauge their potential more...

Gibbs4Life wrote: We need the Redskins equivalent of the "Herschel Walker Trade"
Now my first thought was Portis, but he really is the heart of this team and I think outside of 2 #1's and a 3 I wouldn't move him.
Next is Moss, he is probably worth 2 #1's
Then ey probably worth #1

Joke post confirmed. Life is not Madden and to be honest, I don't even think you could get such a retarded trade to fly in Madden.

actually, after careful consideration... perhaps we could get two number 1's from the lions for moss.

Gibbs4Life wrote: We need the Redskins equivalent of the "Herschel Walker Trade"

You mean a team to trade with retarded enough to make it? That WOULD be good. Finding a team that dumb's not easy though. So on to the analysis.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Now my first thought was Portis, but he really is the heart of this team and I think outside of 2 #1's and a 3 I wouldn't move him.
Next is Moss, he is probably worth 2 #1's
Then ey probably worth #1

Why don't we trade our 5 OL's for a #1 each? For Samuels we should get a #1 AND a #2 easy. If we can get a #1 and a #2 for ARE we move him and a #1 for Betts would be good. With your 5 first rounders and a third rounder now we have seven more #1s and a couple #2s, we could draft a whole new OL, pick up a speedy #1 and big #2 receiver, a back for Portis and STILL have 3 #1s, a couple #2s and #3 for depth.

I wonder how many #1s we could get for Vinnie.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote: We need the Redskins equivalent of the "Herschel Walker Trade"
Now my first thought was Portis, but he really is the heart of this team and I think outside of 2 #1's and a 3 I wouldn't move him.
Next is Moss, he is probably worth 2 #1's
Then ey probably worth #1

Joke post confirmed. Life is not Madden and to be honest, I don't even think you could get such a retarded trade to fly in Madden.

LMAO@CLL

How about we keep Santana, ey, Sellars, 85% of the defense and just trade the rest of the team? No seriously CLL, don't laugh at that!

I'm sure we could get a #1 pick for Swishy.

RedskinjXd wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:
Let's go get Haynesworth and a pass rusher

somebody answer me this... why does everyone think we can get haynesworth? couldn't Tennessee simply Franchise him if they wanted to?

Because I believe he agreed to sign this years franchise offer with the agreement that he wouldn't be franchised again in 09. I think. Anyone else know for sure?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm sure we could get a #1 pick for Swishy.

I bet you we could package Albright, Swishy, and Plackemeiere (aka the special "dream" team package) for 2 #1s and a third.

Yea i know a pretty good trade. Lets trade Jason Campbells legs for Plaxico burress' balls that way Jason wont be such a baby and start throwing the ball deep and wont look scared in the pocket.

If you are going to blow this team up, here's who you keep:

Offense:

Campbell, Brennan, Collins
Kelly, Thomas, Thrash, Moss
ey, Davis
Portis, Sellers, Cartwright
Heyer, Rabach, Samuels, Thomas, Rinehart, Geisinger

Defense:

Landry, Horton, Moore, Green
Hall, Rogers, Smoot
Fletcher, McIntosh, Fincher, Campbell
Taylor, Evans, Jackson, Wilson, Montgomery, Alexander, Golston, Boscetti,

From this list, you draft and fill with younger free agents. You try to get value for those left off this list. You then address your needs by drafting a stud OL and a stud DL; a late round LB and CB and fill the rest in with younger FA's (OL, LB, CB, TE, P).

Lets see these are the players you should keep!

offense:
Collins, Brennan
Portis, Betts, Rock Cart, Sellers
Santana, Randle, Devin, Kelly
Thomas, Kendall, Fabini, Rabach, Heyer, Jansen, Samuel

Defense:
Rocky Mac, Marcus Wash, London Bridge
Smoot, Springs, DeAngelo
Horton, Landry, Doughty
Cornelius, Andre Carter, Demetric Evans, Chris Wilson

we could get a running back to back up portis with a good 4th round pick..... if betts goes. as long as we were playing madden I would trade madden I was an owner for 49 years and got 2 SBs.
the skins could use a young skilled guy drafted 3rd or 4th round to back up portis or to catch out of the backfeild at times but not to take betts position, not just yet, he should get to start ruturning some kicks, until he makes the 2nd string at rb

I just sent all RBs in the draft to lift weights

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote: We need the Redskins equivalent of the "Herschel Walker Trade"

You mean a team to trade with retarded enough to make it? That WOULD be good. Finding a team that dumb's not easy though. So on to the analysis.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Now my first thought was Portis, but he really is the heart of this team and I think outside of 2 #1's and a 3 I wouldn't move him.
Next is Moss, he is probably worth 2 #1's
Then ey probably worth #1

Why don't we trade our 5 OL's for a #1 each? For Samuels we should get a #1 AND a #2 easy. If we can get a #1 and a #2 for ARE we move him and a #1 for Betts would be good. With your 5 first rounders and a third rounder now we have seven more #1s and a couple #2s, we could draft a whole new OL, pick up a speedy #1 and big #2 receiver, a back for Portis and STILL have 3 #1s, a couple #2s and #3 for depth.

I wonder how many #1s we could get for Vinnie.

The only team dumb enough to make that trade is.... the Redskins.

I'm sick of all of this "let's trade so and so". It's ridiculous. There's a reason why not a lot of trades are made in the NFL...because it hurts both teams. Salary caps are built to discourage trades. The only way a guy gets traded basically is if he's made himself so big a nuisance that they can't keep him anymore or resign him. Enter Portis, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens (on multiple stops), etc. This isn't the NBA, where all you have to do is make the money match and everyone is happy.

The reason the Redskins continually are at the bottom is just that reason. We have to go into Free Agency and trades to make any sort of a team for ourselves because our Draft Department is the worst in the league. By going into Free Agency, you're paying top dollar for a player. By going into trading, you're eating into your own salary cap several times and once again paying top dollar for a player. Oh, and we usually throw in some picks to sweeten the deal, and thus increase the spin of our own death spiral.

The Free Agency / Trade strategy that Cerrato and Snyder have done over the past 10 years has shown consistently that you can get an 8-8 or 9-7 team. But never build toward a championship.

Here's an idea. How about we actually try to, I don't know..... BUILD A TEAM.

Our ownership sucks, our management sucks. Snyder has run this team into ground faster than Six Flags due to poor management.

Uttlerly ridiculous!

Moss is not even worth one number one. No team is going to give up there first rounder for our Moss!

Portis might get the consideration. But he has alot of mileage.

If there is any trades , it would be our team giving up the draft picks. Only guy I see who would be worth going after is Calvin Johnson. Then I wouldnt mind our team giving up a first round draft pick. We would have to give up more though.

roybus14 wrote:If you are going to blow this team up, here's who you keep:

Offense:

Campbell, Brennan, Collins
Kelly, Thomas, Thrash, Moss
ey, Davis
Portis, Sellers, Cartwright
Heyer, Rabach, Samuels, Thomas, Rinehart, Geisinger

Defense:

Landry, Horton, Moore, Green
Hall, Rogers, Smoot
Fletcher, McIntosh, Fincher, Campbell
Taylor, Evans, Jackson, Wilson, Montgomery, Alexander, Golston, Boscetti,

From this list, you draft and fill with younger free agents. You try to get value for those left off this list. You then address your needs by drafting a stud OL and a stud DL; a late round LB and CB and fill the rest in with younger FA's (OL, LB, CB, TE, P).

I would rather get a multi purpose type back/ kick returner and let him get good without fumbling, and to say the rock could fill in for at corner but the corners we have are good enough (hall, rogers, smoot) apperantly springs is cut here so get a FA corner and draft a back
or play sellers and cartwright at running back.

We need the Redskins equivalent of the "Herschel Walker Trade"

The reason you can't make a Herscel Walker type trade is because of the Herschel Walker trade!

Jesus, there's not going to be any Deus ex machina to save the Redskins. Wishing for a big trade to solve all our problems is like buying a lottery ticket with your last dollar.

Only hard work, shrewd roster management and patience are going to bring the Skins back into prominence.

Is Danny up for it?