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The last two weeks the Eagles and the Rams have been able to shutdown Santana Moss by double teaming him. They have been able to do this because we only have 2 viable WR threats in Moss and Randle El. I am very worried about the lack of production from the rest of are Wr's, specifically Thomas, Kelly (I understand he has been hurt) and Thrash.

Is Devin Thomas going to step up? If we could just get a few catches each game from him, about 15-20 per the season then opposing teams will have to account for him.

Also more production from Kelly, Thomas, and or Thrash will help open things up more for Moss, Randle El and ey. If none of these guys are able to step up I am worried that it will continue to hinder are offense.

Thoughts?

We're in deep trouble if the rookies don't step up.

- ARE sucks at PR and is just barely mediocre at WR. IF he catches the ball he's good. He's the new 50/50.

- Thrash has good hands but not the height or speed to truly separate from defenders.

- Thomas is mentally deficient. LOL I don't know what has to happen to this kid to make him get in the playbook so he can contribue.

- Kelly.... <sigh> I'm so excited to see him play but his body is made of fine china. He'll most likely be put on IR.

Jason Campbell needs to get Thomas more involved.

I agree completely with what Chris Luva Luva said. As a Michigan State Alum, I follow the team very closely and last year Devin Thomas was a beast. He has the playmaking skills to be a great player and an explosive weapon. He can take a short slant pass or bubble screen pass and take it to the house just like Moss can but he can also get separation from corners and be a solid deep threat option. He has great hands and pretty good speed, and he is very athletic. He is not afraid to go over the middle either. I am hopeful that very soon he will be able to contribute consistently. I also think we need to try to throw the fade to him in the redzone. He has a sick vertical.
I am just waiting for him to a break out game. Does anyone know the latest news on Kelly and his knee? (I know he had to have it drained 2 times last week) I just hope we do not have to end up putting him on the IR.

How can you address the receiving corps and leave our most reliable receiver out of the equation? I know WR was specified, but ey is not your run of the mill TE and to leave him out of the receiving corps assessment is not looking at all the tools available.

I did mention ey, and he is definitely a Top 3 TE in football. But we need more production from are Wr's!

Missed it skimming, my bad . Just as we can use Moss to get the others opened up, we cna use ey to get Moss opened up, too. It's happened once this year during the Cowboys game.

I think the Rams game was a fluke. The whole team was out of sink.

I see Randel El and Thrash both stepping up in the coming weeks and then it will be a 3 headed dragon with our WR's.

Keep in mind its still early in the season and each week, we have shown the ability to get the ball to the guy who is open.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:We're in deep trouble if the rookies don't step up.

- ARE sucks at PR and is just barely mediocre at WR. IF he catches the ball he's good. He's the new 50/50.

- Thrash has good hands but not the height or speed to truly separate from defenders.

- Thomas is mentally deficient. LOL I don't know what has to happen to this kid to make him get in the playbook so he can contribue.

- Kelly.... <sigh> I'm so excited to see him play but his body is made of fine china. He'll most likely be put on IR.

Jason Campbell needs to get Thomas more involved.

i totally agree. ARE is just terrible ot watch returning punts. all he wants to do is dance. Thomas must get involved to get attention off moss

MDSKINSFAN wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:We're in deep trouble if the rookies don't step up.

- ARE sucks at PR and is just barely mediocre at WR. IF he catches the ball he's good. He's the new 50/50.

- Thrash has good hands but not the height or speed to truly separate from defenders.

- Thomas is mentally deficient. LOL I don't know what has to happen to this kid to make him get in the playbook so he can contribue.

- Kelly.... <sigh> I'm so excited to see him play but his body is made of fine china. He'll most likely be put on IR.

Jason Campbell needs to get Thomas more involved.

i totally agree. ARE is just terrible ot watch returning punts. all he wants to do is dance. Thomas must get involved to get attention off moss

What I would like to see is our outside blockers to stop the gunners from being right on top of ARE every chance he has to make a return.

The guy is still fast. He still has moves but he has not been given the opportunity to show what he can do.

We all know how opiniated BMitch is. Don't you think he would be throwing ARE under the bus if he didn't see more out of this guy.

I would love to see ARE get more yards on returns but I don't think its his fault that he doesn't get them all the time. It is more on the blockers.

i wish we would've drafted a wide reciever. wait

Is anyone on the waiver wire? Free agents? What do we do.....????

Gibbs4Life wrote:i wish we would've drafted a wide reciever. wait

We could've gotten DeSean Jackson (picked right after Fred Davis) and gotten a good WR and PR in one pick... and we would still have Devin Thomas as well. We probably could've gotten Davis at the Kelly pick too.

Just saying

woulda....coulda....shoulda....

I'm going to take a wait and see approach. If none of these guys produce after 3 years then I will have an opinion but its not like any of them were top 10 picks here.

frankcal20 wrote:woulda....coulda....shoulda....

I'm going to take a wait and see approach. If none of these guys produce after 3 years then I will have an opinion but its not like any of them were top 10 picks here.

My thoughts precisely, none of these were reach picks

We still have Fred Davis and Chris ey. I don't think we have a problem. They will do until Thomas steps up barring injuries.

VetSkinsFan wrote:We still have Fred Davis and Chris ey. I don't think we have a problem. They will do until Thomas steps up barring injuries.

What exactly has Fred Davis done this season? About as much as Thomas and Kelly. Has he even been active for any games?

Maybe our WR's production the last game might have been better if the O Line pass protection hadn't been in such a funk. Sonny always said that it's hard to complete a pass when you are sitting on your butt. Right, Welch?

They were good in the rushing game, but even Coach JZ said there was "miscommunication" on their pass blocking assignments. Included in this is the quandry of the choice of Heyer vs. Jansen.

It also wouldn't hurt if they would hold onto a third down pass every now and then. Hopefully Thomas and Kelly can help with that

IMO if Portis keeps running like he does then the Skins will be just fine. All we need to do is take care of the football. Rookie wideouts usually have a tough time adjusting to the NFL...with a couple of exceptions.
As for our PR...I'd love to see anyone back there returning kicks besides ARE...and Pete Kendall of course.

Hill66 wrote:IMO if Portis keeps running like he does then the Skins will be just fine. All we need to do is take care of the football. Rookie wideouts usually have a tough time adjusting to the NFL...with a couple of exceptions.
As for our PR...I'd love to see anyone back there returning kicks besides ARE...and Pete Kendall of course.

andyjens89 wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:i wish we would've drafted a wide reciever. wait

We could've gotten DeSean Jackson (picked right after Fred Davis) and gotten a good WR and PR in one pick... and we would still have Devin Thomas as well. We probably could've gotten Davis at the Kelly pick too.

Just saying

Seriously? DeSean Jackson?

The last thing we needed was another 5'10" speed WR...

CanesSkins26 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:We still have Fred Davis and Chris ey. I don't think we have a problem. They will do until Thomas steps up barring injuries.

What exactly has Fred Davis done this season? About as much as Thomas and Kelly. Has he even been active for any games?

I saw him this past week. He's been active in at least two games since he didn't catch anything last week. Just throwing him out there as an option. Okay, we have ey and Yoder, is that better?

I agree about wanting more production from ARE but it always seems as soon as he gets the ball he has a ton of guys on top of him. I think they need to work on the ST blocking to open some holes up for him

frankcal20 wrote:

MDSKINSFAN wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:We're in deep trouble if the rookies don't step up.

- ARE sucks at PR and is just barely mediocre at WR. IF he catches the ball he's good. He's the new 50/50.

- Thrash has good hands but not the height or speed to truly separate from defenders.

- Thomas is mentally deficient. LOL I don't know what has to happen to this kid to make him get in the playbook so he can contribue.

- Kelly.... <sigh> I'm so excited to see him play but his body is made of fine china. He'll most likely be put on IR.

Jason Campbell needs to get Thomas more involved.

i totally agree. ARE is just terrible ot watch returning punts. all he wants to do is dance. Thomas must get involved to get attention off moss

What I would like to see is our outside blockers to stop the gunners from being right on top of ARE every chance he has to make a return.

The guy is still fast. He still has moves but he has not been given the opportunity to show what he can do.

We all know how opiniated BMitch is. Don't you think he would be throwing ARE under the bus if he didn't see more out of this guy.

I would love to see ARE get more yards on returns but I don't think its his fault that he doesn't get them all the time. It is more on the blockers.

Not given enough time? He's been our PR for three seasons now. He moves laterally too much and vertically too little.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Missed it skimming, my bad . Just as we can use Moss to get the others opened up, we cna use ey to get Moss opened up, too. It's happened once this year during the Cowboys game.

Moss is opening up other WR's they just aren't that good... When ARE is catching the ball, he's decent. Thrash falls off the radar and then will give you an explosive game. Thrash should be our 4th/5th WR under the best circumstances.

We need to get guys in there that can catch the freaking ball.

- Maybe Zorn will think about using Fred Davis as the 4th WR from time to time.

- Hopefully Thomas will get his head on straight and give the coach a reason to give him more of a role.

- Hopefully Jason will work with Thomas and work to get him the ball when he's in as a way to give positive feedback.

- Hopefully Kelly can get on the gosh darn field.