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die cowboys die wrote:i have also been waiting for someone to mention this. the PI was very obvious during the live broadcast of the play and definitely not debatable- as you said, if you watch the play there can be no debate, he put his hands on torrence's back and drove his weight into him for at least a few steps.

i think the reason he got away with it is because he was "smart" (read: unethical) enough to cheat "quietly"-- what i mean is, though he was clearly pushing aggressively, he didn't extend his arms, kept his elbows bent, and i guess the refs in the NFL have finally fallen to such incomprehensibly pathetic depths of immeasurable idiocy and flagrant incompetence that they're incapable of understanding that yes, you can in fact push somebody without extending your arms!!!!

except, i don't even know if i think that matters- in accordance with what absinthe1023 points out, at this point in time it can only be the most impossibly ignorant of human beings who doesn't realize it is a FACT that the refs have a very specific agenda that they are not even bothering to TRY and hide anymore, not even bothering to pretend that they are making any attempt whatsoever to call games based on the reality they see in front of them, and in fact are now more often than not actually deliberately trying to INTERFERE and ALTER the outcome of the games. it has gotten worse every year, but it used to just be (or at least seem to be) a steadily increasing degree of pure incompetence. then about 3 or 4 years ago, a few games started popping up here and there where there were so so many impossibly bad calls (or non-calls) that ALL went against one team [e.g., Redskins @ Tampa- regular season 2005] that it became inarguably apparent that the games were being being deliberately fixed (or at least "influenced"). but still, it was few and far between enough to not arouse suspicion of a league-wide agenda.

sadly, anybody who witnessed the march of the 2007 patriots "undefeated" regular season was alerted to the scope of the agenda. as the league's own network (NFLN) devoted the vast majority of their air-time to lining up on their knees to suck off the patriots during an endless showcase of "Path to Perfection" propaganda, the refs were so utterly emasculated by the league that even though randy moss actually realized what was going on and KNEW "oh my god, for the time being, i am Above The Law. i don't even have to ATTEMPT to make any kind of legitimate effort to beat my defender for these jump balls-- i am completely allowed to literally shove them to the ground just before the ball arrives, and then simply catch it, uncontested, while they try to get back up. and i can do this even if i am standing on the side of the endzone no more than 2 FEET from the ref who is watching me on this play."
which, getting back to the original point, is exactly what randy did to leigh torrence last year, no more than 2 feet from the ref staring right at moss as he shoved torrence to the ground.

i hope no one out there is kidding themselves into thinking that the officials are actually just THAT stupid, that inept. sorry, that is literally impossible. because anyone that stupid would also be too stupid to remember to breathe, and would have suffocated to death many years ago.


now, do i think the blown non-call that literally handed the game to the rams was on purpose? no, i think that was just another example of the shockingly rampant incompetence of NFL officials.
and why haven't i gone completely through the roof about this call? because i hardly even cared, we deserved to lose that game anyway. well, not the defense. despite that one lucky play they got at the very end, the defense once again proved that it is quite possibly the best defense in the NFC (it would be for sure, and might even be the best in the NFL, if they would actually hold onto every interception they drop).
but the offense never shouldl've let the game have to come down to that last play in the first place.

this was green bay and tampa from last year all over again. zorn has earned 1 game benefit of the doubt here. i have confidence that instead of retreating into a frightened shell like Grampa Joe, he can shake the "oopsies" out of these guys and get them back on track. a 2nd game in a row like this next week will leave us no choice but to sadly realize and declare "same old redskins".
here's hoping zorn picks up where gibbs left off and gets us past the maddening inconsistency. gibbs brought us from complete dysfunction to the threshold of greatness. zorn has the right attitude to help push us through.


(of course, if we lose to the browns next week, i will insist that he be fired immediately and all of our players cut so we can start over from scratch).

die cowboys die wrote:except, i don't even know if i think that matters- in accordance with what absinthe1023 points out, at this point in time it can only be the most impossibly ignorant of human beings who doesn't realize it is a FACT that the refs have a very specific agenda that they are not even bothering to TRY and hide anymore, not even bothering to pretend that they are making any attempt whatsoever to call games based on the reality they see in front of them, and in fact are now more often than not actually deliberately trying to INTERFERE and ALTER the outcome of the games

dcd wrote:i hope no one out there is kidding themselves into thinking that the officials are actually just THAT stupid, that inept. sorry, that is literally impossible.

dcd wrote:now, do i think the blown non-call that literally handed the game to the rams was on purpose? no, i think that was just another example of the shockingly rampant incompetence of NFL officials.

i have confidence that instead of retreating into a frightened shell like Grampa Joe, he can shake the "oopsies" out of these guys and get them back on track

a 2nd game in a row like this next week will leave us no choice but to sadly realize and declare "same old redskins".

if we lose to the browns next week, i will insist that he be fired immediately and all of our players cut so we can start over from scratch

die cowboys die wrote:... now, do i think the blown non-call that literally handed the game to the rams was on purpose? no, i think that was just another example of the shockingly rampant incompetence of NFL officials.

and why haven't i gone completely through the roof about this call? because i hardly even cared, we deserved to lose that game anyway. well, not the defense. despite that one lucky play they got at the very end, the defense once again proved that it is quite possibly the best defense in the NFC (it would be for sure, and might even be the best in the NFL, if they would actually hold onto every interception they drop).
but the offense never shouldl've let the game have to come down to that last play in the first place.

BossHog wrote:Tell me ONE thing that makes it a FACT as opposed to just your opinion. Cite a reference, a press clipping, some sort of admission of guilt that proves this is a fact and not pure conjecture on your part. I can tell you're passionate about it, I just don't see how that it makes it an indisputable fact.