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Does Heyer get his job back?
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:39 am
by JansenFan
Obviously, my username is JansenFan, so I am a huge fan of #76. I am also a Terp fan, and was ecstatic when we got Heyer and I'm glad he's been successful here. I not sure who gets the job at this point. JJ looked like his old self today from what I saw (I missed the 3rd quarter because I had to do a walk through on my new house
). I've also like what I've seen of Heyer. Who do you think should get the start next week?
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:03 am
by welch
The OL looked pretty good. I don't have the video tape, and, of course, I follow the ball as the camera does. (Usually, I try to watch the line-battles about one out of three plays).
I'd say that Jansen starts, but I'm glad Heyer is good enough to start.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:20 am
by VetSkinsFan
I think if Jansen can keep it up, he starts for the year. I haven't been completely satisfied with Heyer's play as of late. He misses blocks that I don't see Jansen miss.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:21 am
by Deadskins
welch wrote:I'd say that Jansen starts, but I'm glad Heyer is good enough to start.
I'm the other way around. I want Heyer getting reps next to Randy Thomas, but it sure is nice to have a player of Jansen's caliber to come in if Heyer goes down.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:26 am
by Warmother
It seems like the Skin's ran more to the right than in previous games, and were succesful. Is that because it was Jansen or just happenstance?
I think it was because of Jansen being a better run blocker than Heyer. I think Heyer is a better pass blocker, but right now I would start Jansen. And be very happy Heyer is here.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:31 am
by markshark84
I would say to start Jansen. Heyer is good, but has had some stupid plays and penalties this season. You won't get those with Jansen.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:01 am
by Chris Luva Luva
They either need to run to the right with Heyer to keep this offense balanced or keep Jansen in.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:43 pm
by gamecocks21
It looks like Jansen is going to overtake Heyer permanently. I will try and post the link later (it was a blip on rotoworld) and I know that it is not the most reliable site, but still promising to read. I am currently sitting in class and I am on my cell phone, so I can't post the link.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:47 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
I've seen some rumblings also...
Apparently Heyer got re-injured during a FG attempt.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:42 pm
by Jeff Rhodes
If Heyer can start, he should start. He got the job in the first place because he's the better pass protector and, in case you'd forgotten, the Eagles are next up on the schedule and they lead the lead in sacks.
The Redskins didn't win yesterday because they ran the ball. The ran because they were winning. And thankfully, that strategy worked -- in no small measure because Jansen may be a better run blocker than Heyer.
But going up against Jim Johnson's defense, I want the best pass protectors we have out there. And Jansen ain't one of them.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:17 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Jeff Rhodes wrote:If Heyer can start, he should start. He got the job in the first place because he's the better pass protector and, in case you'd forgotten, the Eagles are next up on the schedule and they lead the lead in sacks.
The Redskins didn't win yesterday because they ran the ball. The ran because they were winning. And thankfully, that strategy worked -- in no small measure because Jansen may be a better run blocker than Heyer.
But going up against Jim Johnson's defense, I want the best pass protectors we have out there. And Jansen ain't one of them.
Jansen looked good in pass protection yesterday, hence the creation of this thread and rumors of him regaining his job. We need the option to run to the right side of the offensive line.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:59 pm
by SkinsFreak
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jeff Rhodes wrote:If Heyer can start, he should start. He got the job in the first place because he's the better pass protector and, in case you'd forgotten, the Eagles are next up on the schedule and they lead the lead in sacks.
The Redskins didn't win yesterday because they ran the ball. The ran because they were winning. And thankfully, that strategy worked -- in no small measure because Jansen may be a better run blocker than Heyer.
But going up against Jim Johnson's defense, I want the best pass protectors we have out there. And Jansen ain't one of them.
Jansen looked good in pass protection yesterday, hence the creation of this thread and rumors of him regaining his job. We need the option to run to the right side of the offensive line.
I think most agree Jansen looked decent yesterday. But Heyer was promoted for a reason, based on more evidence than one game. Heyer didn't do anything to lose his job. Jansen stepped in and did admirably, no doubt, but he filled in for an injured player, not a demoted player due to poor play.
Jim Johnson and the Eagles defense and going to blitz the crap out of our offense next week. I'm actually a bit concerned about it. I have absolutely nothing against JJ, he's been one of my fav's for a lot of years, but Heyer seems to have the younger and fresher legs to pass protect against the blitz. The fact remains that Jansen was demoted due to poor pass protection in the preseason, that's just the way it went.
If the coaches feel Jansen did enough to regain his starting role, great, I'm all for it. If Heyer gets the nod, I'm all for that. We need the best guy out there for the blitzing Eagles.
I'm actually much like JF, I really like Jansen but I'm also a Terp, so I root for Heyer as well.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:07 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
As to the question, Jansen should start but Heyer should play a lot more then a normal sub. Keep Jansen fresh and keep getting Heyer more experience. I'm a Wolverine AND a Terp so no conflict of interest there.
Jeff Rhodes wrote:The Redskins didn't win yesterday because they ran the ball
I totally disagree with this. W/O running the ball to keep the D honest no way we get all the downfield opportunities.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:21 pm
by SkinsFreak
Redskins.com wrote:Jansen Could Start Again
Jon Jansen could start at right tackle for the second week in a row as Stephon Heyer continues to come back from a shoulder injury.
Jansen started for Heyer in Sunday’s 26-24 win over Dallas. It was his first extended action of the season and by all accounts he played well.
Heyer saw action in the Dallas game as a blocker on field goals, but he “tweaked” his shoulder again, Jim Zorn said.
“We just have to continue to get him up to speed,” Zorn said.
Heyer’s status for this Sunday’s game against the Philadelphia Eagles will be determined later this week.
“Part of [the decision] will be Stephon’s health, and part of it will be what decision we make in terms of who gets the nod,” Zorn added.
Heyer, a second-year player out of Maryland, assumed the right tackle job in Week 1, beating out the veteran Jansen.
Asked if Jansen had performed well enough to earn back the starting job, Zorn replied: “I don’t know about that. I think Jon stepped in and did a fine job. He was very aggressive in the run and he had no mental errors as aggressive as he plays.”
Zorn noted that Jansen’s pass protection showed improvement in the Cowboys game.
“He had a very strong outing,” Zorn said. “It will be a very tough decision [as to who starts vs. the Eagles], but it has to be with all of the elements involved.”
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:55 pm
by VetSkinsFan
Jim Johnson and the Eagles defense and going to blitz the crap out of our offense next week. I'm actually a bit concerned about it. I have absolutely nothing against JJ, he's been one of my fav's for a lot of years, but Heyer seems to have the younger and fresher legs to pass protect against the blitz. The fact remains that Jansen was demoted due to poor pass protection in the preseason, that's just the way it went.
JJand the rest of the O-line (Cooley included) did quite well I thought against Dallas' aggressive defense. Heyer usually doesn't fare as well.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:07 pm
by SkinsFreak
VetSkinsFan wrote:Heyer usually doesn't fare as well.
What are you talking about? Heyer was promoted this year because he "usually doesn't fare as well"?
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:11 pm
by Countertrey
Why worry about it? We have the best O Line coach in the league running that part of the show. If it can be done, he will get it done... I imagine he likes winning at least as much as we do.
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:23 pm
by spudstr04
I don't think he will. In the locker room interviews on Redskins.TV, Sonny said that the Skins are 5-1 in the the last 6 games that Jansen has started. I like Heyer a lot, but Jansen is a much better run blocker. We'll need to eat up clock against the Eagles, just like we did in Dallas, and Jansen did a good job against the pass-rush of Dallas. I think his benching in the 1st 3 games might be a blessing in disguise, because he is healthy during this tough NFC East stretch in the schedule. Jansen's health record isn't great and to have him fresh for 2 of the biggest games of the season is HUGE!
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:55 am
by Chris Luva Luva
If we go to Philly and...
- successfully run to the right.
- Jansen doesn't get blown out of the water
I believe Jansen will regain his spot. Hopefully that doesn't sour Heyer.
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:32 am
by SkinsJock
Chris Luva Luva wrote:If we go to Philly and...
- successfully run to the right.
- Jansen doesn't get blown out of the water
I believe Jansen will regain his spot. Hopefully that doesn't sour Heyer.
I agree but I do not think that Heyer will be at all offended by the fact that Bugel thinks that starting Jansen is any indication of one being a better player than the other.
I would even go so far to say that it really does not matter to Heyer or Jansen who "starts" as long as they both play well when they are on the field - it certainly does not matter to anyone else on the field or the sidelines.
I could not care less who the starter is on this team - they all get the same accolades from me. Hell, I even liked Brunell when he was making it almost impossible for us to win - he was our QB and I'm a Redskins fan
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:51 pm
by VetSkinsFan
SkinsFreak wrote:VetSkinsFan wrote:Heyer usually doesn't fare as well.
What are you talking about? Heyer was promoted this year because he "usually doesn't fare as well"?
Obviously, I didn't see it that way. I saw
ey help Heyer out a lot last year and the Giants game in particular, I saw Heyer watching his man out of arms reach a number of times, including Tuck's sack. Maybe I'm overcritical, but it seems like Heyer doesn't know how or want to stick with a block. After the initial effort is there, it's like he's not involved anymore some plays.
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:12 pm
by fleetus
Is Heyer even 100% yet? I'd say, if Heyer is even 95%, Jansen should start. Then see how Jansen does game by game. If he starts giving up sacks, OR gets dinged up at all, in goes Heyer. It is a nice problem to have.
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:51 pm
by SkinsFreak
VetSkinsFan wrote:SkinsFreak wrote:VetSkinsFan wrote:Heyer usually doesn't fare as well.
What are you talking about? Heyer was promoted this year because he "usually doesn't fare as well"?
Obviously, I didn't see it that way. I saw
ey help Heyer out a lot last year and the Giants game in particular, I saw Heyer watching his man out of arms reach a number of times, including Tuck's sack. Maybe I'm overcritical, but it seems like Heyer doesn't know how or want to stick with a block. After the initial effort is there, it's like he's not involved anymore some plays.
Well, if that's the case, then I can't imagine why Buges, one of the best offensive line coaches in the league, would promote Heyer over Jansen. Why then demote the best player? Just doesn't seem logical, Vet. I like JJ too, but obviously, the coaches see them in practice, study tapes in meetings, and have seen something there that forced them to make a switch. If Heyer has all these problems that you allege, then why promote him?
But in my opinion, this isn't such a bad problem to have. For one, it appears Heyer has made some great strides and is impressing the coaches. Not bad for an undrafted rookie in his second year. Second, if the demotion lights a fire under Jansen and gives him extra motivation to regain his starting status, that's great too, and for the record, I hope he does.
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:31 pm
by John Manfreda
I think Jansen got his job back. I would give it to him personally.
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:05 pm
by HEROHAMO
I thought Jansen did a great job. Even though he did have that false start, I was laughing when it happened because Jansen tried to play it off.
Casey Rabach almost cost us the game. That is what should be addressed. He played like a physco maniac without any self control.
The fact that we have Jansen and Heyer is all positive grooves in my mind. What needs to be addressed is Rabach and his Macho Man Randy Savage act he pulled Sunday.