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Freedom Of Speech or Racism?

I guess it's a good thing his Dad didn't put him in a KKK sheet ...

It's idiotic that his dad pretty much forced him to wear this shirt.

Reporter: "When did you decide that you liked John McCain more than Barack Obama."

Kid: "I didn't come up with it. My dad did."


Wow...

Attention parents, your children are not a billboard for your racist and pathetic worldview, and you sir, the one who undoubtedly made that t-shirt, you are the one who deserves to be slapped around.

I'm not an Obama guy, but I can see how that shirt would be offensive. I don't see racism, though. Can someone enlighten me?

JansenFan wrote:I'm not an Obama guy, but I can see how that shirt would be offensive. I don't see racism, though. Can someone enlighten me?

I don't see it as racism either. I don't necessarily think it is school appropriate, but I wouldn't compare the shirt with something like the KKK. A lot of times when a white person has a negative opinion about a black person it is construed as racism. Otherwise known as playing the race card.

SkinMeAlive wrote:Freedom Of Speech or Racism?

I guess it's a good thing his Dad didn't put him in a KKK sheet ...

The kid should have worn a "McCain is a Nazi" shirt to school and he'd have been fine. Had he not been the unbiased media would have pounded the school over free speech.

JansenFan wrote:I'm not an Obama guy, but I can see how that shirt would be offensive. I don't see racism, though. Can someone enlighten me?

It's racism because every white liberal who runs for President isn't criticized by the racist Right and the country elects them. You know, like Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale. All elected in landslides and completely ignored by the racist Right wing nuts. Then when a black liberal runs, he's criticized and maybe won't even win like all the rest do. Sorry JansenFan, your head's in the sand on this one. Haven't you noticed he doesn't look like the other Americans who go to Germany and rip the US? Haven't you noticed his face doesn't look like the other pictures on our money? The right is obsessed with race in this race. No one could possibly oppose the messiah Obama except for overt racism.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

JansenFan wrote:I'm not an Obama guy, but I can see how that shirt would be offensive. I don't see racism, though. Can someone enlighten me?

It's racism because every white liberal who runs for President isn't criticized by the racist Right and the country elects them. You know, like Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale. All elected in landslides and completely ignored by the racist Right wing nuts. Then when a black liberal runs, he's criticized and maybe won't even win like all the rest do. Sorry JansenFan, your head's in the sand on this one. Haven't you noticed he doesn't look like the other Americans who go to Germany and rip the US? Haven't you noticed his face doesn't look like the other pictures on our money? The right is obsessed with race in this race. No one could possibly oppose the messiah Obama except for overt racism.

Nice useless rant, but wrong. Why did the father not wear the same shirt to work? Why is the father telling the child to represent something the child doesn't even know about or believe in one way or the other?

I've read enough of your posts to know that everything has a liberal slant in your eyes, but that just isn't the case with children who only know what their parents teach them. It was very convenient of the father to give no explanation for why he feels he way he does. Free speech? Again, why did the father not wear the shirt to work? He is the one who holds that belief, not the child, as the tape clearly shows. It would have been the same question of the father's character had the shirt been an anti-McCain shirt because the father didn't wear the shirt himself.

But I still don't see racism.

JansenFan wrote:But I still don't see racism.

Fair enough. The father didn't come out directly or indirectly and say that race was an issue. He did come out directly with the claim that Obama sides with the terrorists. He failed to spell out the connection between Obama and the terrorists, so what are we supposed to think? How else do we make the connection that the father didn't make? And shouldn't the father have spelled out his actual reasons at some point, rather than copping out with the freedom of speech rhetoric? Freedom of speech doesn't mean we should have our children express our views on issues they don't understand, don't care about, and have no opinion on, does it?
I'm just asking the questions. Here's one: Would anyone on this message board send their child to school wearing a similar shirt expressing their political views? If so, would those persons anticipate fallout? And would those persons justify the action by explaining the actual reasons for the beliefs, or would those persons cop-out under the blanket freedom of speech claim the father used? The way the father used it, he would have us believe that freedom of speech means he is free to use his son as a billboard for his political, religious, social, moral, and other views. I can't see that any reasonable parent would agree.

SkinMeAlive wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

JansenFan wrote:I'm not an Obama guy, but I can see how that shirt would be offensive. I don't see racism, though. Can someone enlighten me?

It's racism because every white liberal who runs for President isn't criticized by the racist Right and the country elects them. You know, like Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale. All elected in landslides and completely ignored by the racist Right wing nuts. Then when a black liberal runs, he's criticized and maybe won't even win like all the rest do. Sorry JansenFan, your head's in the sand on this one. Haven't you noticed he doesn't look like the other Americans who go to Germany and rip the US? Haven't you noticed his face doesn't look like the other pictures on our money? The right is obsessed with race in this race. No one could possibly oppose the messiah Obama except for overt racism.

Nice useless rant, but wrong. Why did the father not wear the same shirt to work? Why is the father telling the child to represent something the child doesn't even know about or believe in one way or the other?

I've read enough of your posts to know that everything has a liberal slant in your eyes, but that just isn't the case with children who only know what their parents teach them. It was very convenient of the father to give no explanation for why he feels he way he does. Free speech? Again, why did the father not wear the shirt to work? He is the one who holds that belief, not the child, as the tape clearly shows. It would have been the same question of the father's character had the shirt been an anti-McCain shirt because the father didn't wear the shirt himself.

This schtick sounds VERY familiar. Where have I heard it before? Thinking, thinking....

SkinMeAlive wrote:

JansenFan wrote:But I still don't see racism.

Fair enough. The father didn't come out directly or indirectly and say that race was an issue. He did come out directly with the claim that Obama sides with the terrorists. He failed to spell out the connection between Obama and the terrorists, so what are we supposed to think? How else do we make the connection that the father didn't make? And shouldn't the father have spelled out his actual reasons at some point, rather than copping out with the freedom of speech rhetoric? Freedom of speech doesn't mean we should have our children express our views on issues they don't understand, don't care about, and have no opinion on, does it?
I'm just asking the questions. Here's one: Would anyone on this message board send their child to school wearing a similar shirt expressing their political views? If so, would those persons anticipate fallout? And would those persons justify the action by explaining the actual reasons for the beliefs, or would those persons cop-out under the blanket freedom of speech claim the father used? The way the father used it, he would have us believe that freedom of speech means he is free to use his son as a billboard for his political, religious, social, moral, and other views. I can't see that any reasonable parent would agree.

I think most think it was inappropriate. The issue that most are addressing is "why is it racist?" Is it for the fact that the father feels Obama is weak on National security and that is why he made that shirt? Why does race have to injected into any of this? He is a presidential candidate and he will receive criticism. Just because he is black doesn't mean he is not going to be criticized.

JansenFan wrote:But I still don't see racism.

C'mon, he doesn't support Obama. Obama, the chosen one, the Messiah, the savior, Camelot II. Obama is for CHANGE, he's for PROGRESS. He's bi-partisan! He will save socialism AND capitalism. He will free us by enslaving us. Be serious, what possible reason could this kid's father have to NOT support Obama but severe knuckle dragging old boy racism? Get with the program JansenFan. And can you imaging a liberal father putting a liberal t-shirt on the kid? The press would be hysterical! The school wouldn't have let him in the front door!

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

JansenFan wrote:But I still don't see racism.

C'mon, he doesn't support Obama. Obama, the chosen one, the Messiah, the savior, Camelot II. Obama is for CHANGE, he's for PROGRESS. He's bi-partisan! He will save socialism AND capitalism. He will free us by enslaving us. Be serious, what possible reason could this kid's father have to NOT support Obama but severe knuckle dragging old boy racism? Get with the program JansenFan. And can you imaging a liberal father putting a liberal t-shirt on the kid? The press would be hysterical! The school wouldn't have let him in the front door!

Opinion on McCain's or Obama's credentials is not the topic. The topic is about using one's children as a billboard to express the views or beliefs of the parents. Maybe there is no racism to this. Dismissing that possibility, we are still left with a young son who, like all young sons, wants nothing more than to please his father at every turn. The father is clearly taking advantage of that fact at every turn. The shirt could have been anti or pro anyone or anything. It makes no difference to the point of the father manipulating the son and claiming freedom of speech.

Racist shirt? I'm black (not really but that's what's on the paper) and I don't find a thing about it racist. Most "terrorists" are percieved to be arabs and just judging by looks, Obama isn't arab. I could be wrong, just look at Tiger.

As for the father telling the kid that he should go against Obama and for McCain; isn't that the same thing as me telling my kid to root for the Skins and against the cowpunks? I know its not on the same scale but isn't it the same thing when you think about it? And yes, I know we're talking about a t-shirt and believe me, my kid WILL be wearing a t-shirt soon that reads "Dallas Cowboys hate God" but my kid won't be wearing that to school.

By the way, I'd love to send the father a t-shirt that reads "Bush sold the terrorists the weapons"

SkinMeAlive wrote:The father is clearly taking advantage of that fact at every turn. The shirt could have been anti or pro anyone or anything. It makes no difference to the point of the father manipulating the son and claiming freedom of speech.

Parents teaching children what they think. The Democrats don't do that! Religions don't do that! No one but the GOP would raise their own children and influence them with their views. It's just the GOP!!!!! You're on to something here PODS. They are the anti-Christ sorry Hailskins. I'm with you now brother, the GOP must die, they are into brainwashing!

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinMeAlive wrote:The father is clearly taking advantage of that fact at every turn. The shirt could have been anti or pro anyone or anything. It makes no difference to the point of the father manipulating the son and claiming freedom of speech.

Parents teaching children what they think. The Democrats don't do that! Religions don't do that! No one but the GOP would raise their own children and influence them with their views. It's just the GOP!!!!! You're on to something here PODS. They are the anti-Christ sorry Hailskins. I'm with you now brother, the GOP must die, they are into brainwashing!

Hey Kazoo, the "You're on to someting here PODS." is totally funny dude!! Ya'll just know that's him huh man? lol!

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinMeAlive wrote:The father is clearly taking advantage of that fact at every turn. The shirt could have been anti or pro anyone or anything. It makes no difference to the point of the father manipulating the son and claiming freedom of speech.

Parents teaching children what they think. The Democrats don't do that! Religions don't do that! No one but the GOP would raise their own children and influence them with their views. It's just the GOP!!!!! You're on to something here PODS. They are the anti-Christ sorry Hailskins. I'm with you now brother, the GOP must die, they are into brainwashing!

The point is still being missed. The child did not and does not believe in what his father had him advertising. What people think is not the same issue. Thoughts are exclusive to the person doing the thinking, even if that person is a child. There aren't many children, from my experience, who voluntarily wear clothing that advertises politics or religion. Most children would rather wear clothing that advertises music, sports brands, fashion brands, cartoons, TV programs, and numerous other things.

Since brainwashing was mentioned, here's one for the GOP and against the Dems:

YDA

Libertarians suck!

Cappster wrote:Libertarians suck!

Yeah, but only to get it back

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:Libertarians suck!

Yeah, but only to get it back

Monica must have been a libertarian and I was joking on the libertarian part

Cappster wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:Libertarians suck!

Yeah, but only to get it back

Monica must have been a libertarian and I was joking on the libertarian part

I know, just having fun back with you