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I have never been one to buy in to doubt. The people that are just pessimists about this team can....well you know. If you look at any of my posts I have never said we are awful and I have never said that we are awesome. I did not post after the Giants game, because like many of you I stay away from stuff that reminds me of my favorite team losing. I have just asked for the B & G fans to wait. I am now telling everyone who said this team is awful, that no matter what happens your bandwagon tickets WILL NOT BE REFUNDED!! If you don't want refunds then go your pessimistic way and do what you have to do. This thread is dedicated to the people who have patience, and will ride this wagon through a 12-4 season and a 7-9 season. NO MATTER WHAT! You in ?

First of all you have 85 posts so I can't even see you, second whoever you are, you need to understand the terms you use "pessimism" meaning the tendency to see, anticipate, or emphasize only bad or undesirable outcomes, results, conditions, problems, etc.:

and "frustration" meaning a feeling of dissatisfaction, often accompanied by anxiety or depression, resulting from unfulfilled needs or unresolved problems.

Are two totally different concepts. Now what I see and hear and post on this board is both positive & negative when appropriate and when I'm negative it is always from a place of "frustration" not "pessimism".

You know what you can do with your bandwagon, I started as a Skins fan in 91' since then I have lived and died, cheered and cried, triumphed and well you get the point...

Petitbone that was fun, The Norv Years yeah I was there for training camp in PA rooting'em on, 1 playoff appearance in 99 (that's 8 years of heartache) and in 99' I got to watch my favorite team botch a field goal to lose, Enter martyball I was there with Tony Banks starting out 0-5 then 5-5, then 8-8, Spurrier yeah I loved getting those rear end kickings, and

Finally Joe's return I watched every snap Mark Brunell took as a Redskin a "bandwagon" could not have sustained that journey, and now Zorn, I have been and will continue to be critical of Zorn when appropriate since freedom of expression is what message boards are all about anyway.

After all the time, energy, and dedication I've given to this thing called "being a Redskins fan" I feel I've earned the right to say whatever it is (within user rules shout out to the mods) I HAVE EARNED the right to say WHATEVER it is I want critical or not so take that newbie

PMG12569 wrote:I have never been one to buy in to doubt. The people that are just pessimists about this team can....well you know. If you look at any of my posts I have never said we are awful and I have never said that we are awesome. I did not post after the Giants game, because like many of you I stay away from stuff that reminds me of my favorite team losing. I have just asked for the B & G fans to wait. I am now telling everyone who said this team is awful, that no matter what happens your bandwagon tickets WILL NOT BE REFUNDED!! If you don't want refunds then go your pessimistic way and do what you have to do. This thread is dedicated to the people who have patience, and will ride this wagon through a 12-4 season and a 7-9 season. NO MATTER WHAT! You in ?

Dude, it is not fair to call out those fans who criticize the team when it plays poorly. Being a fair critic of the team when it fails is not a statment on whether that person is worthy of being a fan. Blind faith is nice, its your perogitive to do so and you probably are a happy guy. But, you can't take away the right of us long suffering fans from pointing out mistakes or ways that things could be better. Imagine what our country would be like if no one questioned anything or tried to make bad things better. Come on man.

He could be insinuating the people who last week were calling for JC and Zorn to be tar and feathered and publicly displayed for their first week performance and this week will be wearing their headdresses to work.

After all the time, energy, and dedication I've given to this thing called "being a Redskins fan" I feel I've earned the right to say whatever it is (within user rules shout out to the mods) I HAVE EARNED the right to say WHATEVER it is I want critical or not so take that newbie

Everyone has the same rights here, regardless of tenure, point of view or regional location. I am curious to see how many people aren't so adamant this week about firing Zorn and JC as well.

For the record, I've been a Redskins fan for as long as I can remember, which is at the very least, the early 80s. Does that have any bearing on anything at all?

REDSKINS TILL I DIE!!!

cleg wrote:Imagine what our country would be like if no one questioned anything or tried to make bad things better. Come on man.

Case in point: the Bush re-election of 2004. haha. Sorry this IS Washington, after all.

I kind of agree with you about not criticizing the fans. We've put up with A LOT of nonsense the past nearly twenty years. We've earned the right to be a little pessimistic and to complain a little bit. I'm not saying its not an annoying trait about Redskins fans. I'm just saying we've earned it.

I'm personally more of a Skins optimist. I'm the guy who never admits we're not a playoff team until we're 100% eliminitated. I still enjoy complaining about the coaches and the ownership relentlessly though, and I reserve the right to do so until we win a Super Bowl again or at least make it to the playoffs two years in a row.

Gibbs4Life wrote:First of all you have 85 posts so I can't even see you, second whoever you are, you need to understand the terms you use "pessimism" meaning the tendency to see, anticipate, or emphasize only bad or undesirable outcomes, results, conditions, problems, etc.:

and "frustration" meaning a feeling of dissatisfaction, often accompanied by anxiety or depression, resulting from unfulfilled needs or unresolved problems.

Are two totally different concepts. Now what I see and hear and post on this board is both positive & negative when appropriate and when I'm negative it is always from a place of "frustration" not "pessimism".

You know what you can do with your bandwagon, I started as a Skins fan in 91' since then I have lived and died, cheered and cried, triumphed and well you get the point...

Petitbone that was fun, The Norv Years yeah I was there for training camp in PA rooting'em on, 1 playoff appearance in 99 (that's 8 years of heartache) and in 99' I got to watch my favorite team botch a field goal to lose, Enter martyball I was there with Tony Banks starting out 0-5 then 5-5, then 8-8, Spurrier yeah I loved getting those rear end kickings, and

Finally Joe's return I watched every snap Mark Brunell took as a Redskin a "bandwagon" could not have sustained that journey, and now Zorn, I have been and will continue to be critical of Zorn when appropriate since freedom of expression is what message boards are all about anyway.

After all the time, energy, and dedication I've given to this thing called "being a Redskins fan" I feel I've earned the right to say whatever it is (within user rules shout out to the mods) I HAVE EARNED the right to say WHATEVER it is I want critical or not so take that newbie

I am not criticizing the fans that criticized the team after the last two preseason games and the Giants game. I hated those performances I thought those were very bad performances. I also think that its not a result of lack of talent. The people I am criticizing are the fans that dubbed us 4-12, 3-13, the people that said Collins would be starting by week 4 that Zorn's system is no good(and that is pessimism). That is like reading the first two pages of a book and deciding it sucks. I get frustrated too man, very frustrated, but I have never just said "this season is lost" and its over. I have seen that on posts, I have heard it from fans calling in on the radio, and I have heard it from the media. I mean I heard Redskins fans call in before the Giants game on The Sports Reporters and not one caller said we would win more than 5 games!! Given some probably might not have been fans but I know there were a few because that is just how this town is. I can criticize those people and that is who this is directed too. I also am not saying that you dont have the right to jump ship, I am just saying I have the right to criticize the fans that jump off before the second game of the season. Oh and I am not a newbie I've been on this site for like 3-4 years I just dont post that much.

Gibbs4Life wrote:

I HAVE EARNED the right to say WHATEVER it is I want critical or not so take that newbie

I would suggest that so has "the newbie"as long as he conforms to the rules. BTW, the date he joined (10 Aug 2006) suggests that he's no noob. Perhaps, he is simply judicious about his posting (and, unlike me, posts only when he has something cogent to say)...

Post away, PMG. Just remember, paragraphs are your friend!

The Skins are my team. I am ALWAYS on the bandwagon. I don't see how sports are fun when bashing your team is considered "realistic." When we're having a bad year I always think we'll turn it around and I'm optimistic going into every year. I'd have it no other way. As for those who somehow inexplicably find bashing the team entertaining, whatever floats your boat. But you can ALWAYS find me right here on the Bandwagon.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:The Skins are my team. I am ALWAYS on the bandwagon. I don't see how sports are fun when bashing your team is considered "realistic." When we're having a bad year I always think we'll turn it around and I'm optimistic going into every year. I'd have it no other way. As for those who somehow inexplicably find bashing the team entertaining, whatever floats your boat. But you can ALWAYS find me right here on the Bandwagon.

it's just like bashing the president. doesn't mean its un-american. just that you don't agree with his way of running things. its you first ammendment right to question what you don't like. i will question snyder till the day HE brings a lombardi back to redskins park.

hailskins666 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:The Skins are my team. I am ALWAYS on the bandwagon. I don't see how sports are fun when bashing your team is considered "realistic." When we're having a bad year I always think we'll turn it around and I'm optimistic going into every year. I'd have it no other way. As for those who somehow inexplicably find bashing the team entertaining, whatever floats your boat. But you can ALWAYS find me right here on the Bandwagon.

it's just like bashing the president. doesn't mean its un-american. just that you don't agree with his way of running things. its you first ammendment right to question what you don't like. i will question snyder till the day HE brings a lombardi back to redskins park.

Yes, but we can always vote for a different President.
We can't do a Holy Mary Blessed Virgin Mother Of Christ thing about Dan Snyder, except live with him. So, although it is a right to point out every screw up, it amounts to nothing more than complaining.

Pointing out a problem without a viable solution, meaning a solution the problem finder can implement, thereby becoming a problem solver, serves very little purpose beyond venting anger and frustration.

While every Redskins fan gets frustrated and angry at some point, those who make every post a complaint about something wear thin on people who look for any enjoyment out of THN Redskins gameday threads.

It's always the same people who are quick to judge who end up being wrong about the root cause(s) of the problems, and who end up backpeddaling and circling the wagons to try and save face.

hailskins666 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:The Skins are my team. I am ALWAYS on the bandwagon. I don't see how sports are fun when bashing your team is considered "realistic." When we're having a bad year I always think we'll turn it around and I'm optimistic going into every year. I'd have it no other way. As for those who somehow inexplicably find bashing the team entertaining, whatever floats your boat. But you can ALWAYS find me right here on the Bandwagon.

it's just like bashing the president. doesn't mean its un-american. just that you don't agree with his way of running things. its you first ammendment right to question what you don't like. i will question snyder till the day HE brings a lombardi back to redskins park.

You realize he could be running the team the next 40 years

2 things...

GSPODS wrote:Yes, but we can always vote for a different President.

voting won't do anything. florida recount ring a bell? there were WMD's in iraq too.

back to the topic, my bad for straying off.

GSPODS wrote:While every Redskins fan gets frustrated and angry at some point, those who make every post a complaint about something wear thin on people who look for any enjoyment out of THN Redskins gameday threads.

It's always the same people who are quick to judge who end up being wrong about the root cause(s) of the problems, and who end up backpeddaling and circling the wagons to try and save face.

crow usually makes those types go away forever.

I've been on the bandwagon too long to ask for a refund, my warranty has expired.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

hailskins666 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:The Skins are my team. I am ALWAYS on the bandwagon. I don't see how sports are fun when bashing your team is considered "realistic." When we're having a bad year I always think we'll turn it around and I'm optimistic going into every year. I'd have it no other way. As for those who somehow inexplicably find bashing the team entertaining, whatever floats your boat. But you can ALWAYS find me right here on the Bandwagon.

it's just like bashing the president. doesn't mean its un-american. just that you don't agree with his way of running things. its you first ammendment right to question what you don't like. i will question snyder till the day HE brings a lombardi back to redskins park.

You realize he could be running the team the next 40 years

i'll more than likely bitch the whole 40 years then.... OR until he buys ALL of washington and passes a law for it to be illegal to.

PMG12569 wrote:I am not criticizing the fans that criticized the team after the last two preseason games and the Giants game. I hated those performances I thought those were very bad performances. I also think that its not a result of lack of talent. The people I am criticizing are the fans that dubbed us 4-12, 3-13...

In fairness to the "pessimists", this team one ONE game, and not FIVE in one day.

It is still too early to dub this Redskins team world beaters after the first win.

Few coaches have great records in their first year. Anything above 4-12 is gravy for this season, IMO.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

PMG12569 wrote:I am not criticizing the fans that criticized the team after the last two preseason games and the Giants game. I hated those performances I thought those were very bad performances. I also think that its not a result of lack of talent. The people I am criticizing are the fans that dubbed us 4-12, 3-13...

In fairness to the "pessimists", this team one ONE game, and not FIVE in one day.

It is still too early to dub this Redskins team world beaters after the first win.

Few coaches have great records in their first year. Anything above 4-12 is gravy for this season, IMO.

I understand what you're saying but I am not dubbing us 12-4 either the point of this post is to not give up so early on this team. The Skins have enough talent to do some things. What those things are we are yet to see, As for coaches in the first year, 90% of the time take over very poor or average teams that need a change, teams like the Ravens, Dolphins, Falcons are the teams that lopside that statistic. I think a lot of you are missing my point.

If Campbell throws 3 picks and holds on to the ball to long, Ill agree that he needs to get better. If Zorn loses games with awful clock management Ill be with you screaming about it. Everyone can complain you have that right but I am just talking to those people who cant wait for the whole picture to unfold before writing us off for the year. Who knows we could win the Super Bowl, and we could go 1-15 but damnit I am not saying we have to suck just cause a few bad performances(only one that counted). I am not going to believe that we cant win games because we have a rookie coach. No room to get back on IF we do anything special. If not at least I didnt give up on them after two bad preseason games, or a bad week one.

Gibbs4Life wrote:First of all you have 85 posts so I can't even see you...

After all the time, energy, and dedication I've given to this thing called "being a Redskins fan" I feel I've earned the right to say whatever it is (within user rules shout out to the mods) I HAVE EARNED the right to say WHATEVER it is I want critical or not so take that newbie

That's a good attitude. Let's not consider the points of or reply without derision or condescension to anyone under a certain post count. Yes, you've earned the right to say whatever you want about the Skins. So has the OP, as has already been pointed out in this thread.

Not sure why I'm quoting you or replying period; I'm even less visible and more new than the person you so casually dismissed...