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It may be that no one cares or no one knows-- which is it?

McCain was broken by the Cong in Nam and signed false confessions that were used by the Cong as propaganda.

He also attempted suicide in prison.

Also, he was tortured for two years, not five and a half. For three years in captivity he was not tortured.

When he was offered release it would have forever blackened his name if he had taken it out of turn (at the time it was code in the military to refuse release ahead of someone who had been a prisoner longer than you had).

His name was already blackened enough. He was known as "Johnny Songbird" because of his confessions.

His cross in the dirt story was a lie. He got it from a book about Russian prison camps.

He lies about giving the names of the offensive line of a particular football team in prison camp to his torturers. Sometimes he says he gave the names of the Steelers, sometimes the Packers.

The story implies he didn't cooperate with his captors, but he did cooperate, which is why, he has said, he tried to committ suicide.

If McCain gave a damn about his country he wouldn't have given us Palin. not even to win an election.

McCain is total phony. His rhetoric is currently aimed against the Republican Party, now that he has the nomination. Truth is, he has no ideology except that he wishes war so that he can pose as the patriot he once failed to be.

So far he has advocated staying in Iraq for 100 years, bombing Iran, attacking Afghanistan, swinging a big stick at Russia and chasing Bin Laden to the gates of hell. Four wars at the same time. Great idea.

He continually votes against pay raises for our troops and benefits for our vets. He doesn't like them. They used to call him Johnny Songbird.

At the start of the Iraq war he was a hawk who insisted 100,000 troops were enough and backed all of Bush's moves.
McCain, personally, had no influence on the Surge-- it was Bush's surge and McCain's advice to Bush, was not sought nor needed.

McCain has been shown not even to know when the Surge began or when the Anwar uprising occurred. He has repeatedly been caught unaware of basic facts about the Middle East.

God... "he was (only) tortured for two years."

You must be scared to death of him... Good.

You are the phony. Clearly, a wooden puppet with a growing nose, pretending to be a real human.

I'm hoping that the vets on this board will now follow my lead, no matter their political leanings, and simply make you non-existent.

Bye.

Countertrey wrote:God... "he was (only) tortured for two years."

You must be scared to death of him... Good.

You are the phony. Clearly, a wooden puppet with a growing nose, pretending to be a real human.

I'm hoping that the vets on this board will now follow my lead, no matter their political leanings, and simply make you non-existent.

Bye.

The point is, I fear, is that McCain is a liar-- not that two years aren't significant.

I have dead friends because of Bush/McCain and their war, which was and is a war of aggression for oil. The unholy pair have slaughtered several hundred thousand innocents in Iraq. Still, I would be more impressed with McCain's having undergone two horrible years had he not backed the torturer in Chief, George Bush, who tortured over 30 thousand "suspects" at Abu Ghrab alone, without McCain raising his voice over a whisper. What goes around, comes around (this time in reverse).

I don't like murderers or advocates of murder and aggressive war (McCain) or those who condone torture, or those who betray their country by naming a grotesque incompetent as a running mate.

McCain will no doubt be President and will either cause a war himself or die, thereby risking the lives of my children and their children by leaving us a totally red-necked moron as Commander in Chief.

He named that woman as a running mate before she was even vetted-- a feat of staggering, almost criminal irresponsibility.
My prediction is that we'll be at war in Iraq for years to come in spite of current negotiations, and also at war with Iran, Afghanistan, and/or Russia.

I am scared to death of McCain, and so should you be.

And don't give me any pious crap about honoring heroic vets. I remember what you did to Kerry and Max.

Politicians lie.

As for a "liar" and "broken by the Cong," we have no idea what he went thru. I have friends that haven't been captured and are having a seriously hard time since back from this current war, so being captured and tortured for "only 2 years" is more than I want to imagine. It's quite easy to sit behind a screen and critique a war veteran and I despise anyone who trivializes being a PoW of any length of time. I wish this society would have more respect for the sacrifices the veterans have made to have the right to dump on their elected officials.

There, I fixed that for you...

VetSkinsFan wrote:I wish this govt. would have more respect for the sacrifices the veterans have made...

crazyhorse1 wrote:It may be that no one cares or no one knows-- which is it?

McCain was broken by the Cong in Nam and signed false confessions that were used by the Cong as propaganda.

He also attempted suicide in prison.

Also, he was tortured for two years, not five and a half. For three years in captivity he was not tortured.

When he was offered release it would have forever blackened his name if he had taken it out of turn (at the time it was code in the military to refuse release ahead of someone who had been a prisoner longer than you had).

His name was already blackened enough. He was known as "Johnny Songbird" because of his confessions.

His cross in the dirt story was a lie. He got it from a book about Russian prison camps.

He lies about giving the names of the offensive line of a particular football team in prison camp to his torturers. Sometimes he says he gave the names of the Steelers, sometimes the Packers.

The story implies he didn't cooperate with his captors, but he did cooperate, which is why, he has said, he tried to committ suicide.

If McCain gave a damn about his country he wouldn't have given us Palin. not even to win an election.

McCain is total phony. His rhetoric is currently aimed against the Republican Party, now that he has the nomination. Truth is, he has no ideology except that he wishes war so that he can pose as the patriot he once failed to be.

So far he has advocated staying in Iraq for 100 years, bombing Iran, attacking Afghanistan, swinging a big stick at Russia and chasing Bin Laden to the gates of hell. Four wars at the same time. Great idea.

He continually votes against pay raises for our troops and benefits for our vets. He doesn't like them. They used to call him Johnny Songbird.

At the start of the Iraq war he was a hawk who insisted 100,000 troops were enough and backed all of Bush's moves.
McCain, personally, had no influence on the Surge-- it was Bush's surge and McCain's advice to Bush, was not sought nor needed.

McCain has been shown not even to know when the Surge began or when the Anwar uprising occurred. He has repeatedly been caught unaware of basic facts about the Middle East.

Here's a post that HELPS the Republican party.

No sarcasm, it helps.

How you might ask? Because no one likes to beat up on a war hero, and will stand up to defend one when he is attacked on his war record!

Yep, even Democrats!

Bravo!

crazyhorse1 would live under the very blanket of freedom the armed forces and the United States Government provide, and then question the manner in which it is provided. (My apologies to Jack Nicholson, but it does make the point.)

Considering anyone trained in the art of interrogation would have crazyhorse1 quacking like a duck and squealing like a pig in a matter of two hours or less, not two years, I would say he couldn't be further off-base if he was trying. Sadly, I'm convinced he was trying.

Nobody dislikes John McCain as a Presidential candidate more than I do, and for any number of reasons. His service to his country isn't now, never was, and never will be among the reasons. crazyhorse1 makes it sound as though McCain got to pick and choose if and when and for how long he would be tortured.

My question is: How long will we be tortured by radical extremist views without any substantiated basis in fact?

How you might ask? Because no one likes to beat up on a war hero, and will stand up to defend one when he is attacked on his war record!

Except when it is done to John Kerry.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Politicians lie.

As for a "liar" and "broken by the Cong," we have no idea what he went thru. I have friends that haven't been captured and are having a seriously hard time since back from this current war, so being captured and tortured for "only 2 years" is more than I want to imagine. It's quite easy to sit behind a screen and critique a war veteran and I despise anyone who trivializes being a PoW of any length of time. I wish this society would have more respect for the sacrifices the veterans have made to have the right to dump on their elected officials.

I don't remember you standing up for Kerry. Maybe you trivialize his risking his life to save a fellow soldier. I remember Bush/McCain destroying the career and reputation of vet Max Cleland, who lost both his legs. Was that trivial? By the way, both of those guys and thousands of other American soldiers managed to make it through prison camps without signing false confessions for propaganda purposes or attempting suicide. I'm related to a few.

I wish McCain had respect for the above veterans and for the thousands of veterans whom he constantly votes against in matters of benefits and decent health care. The man doesn't give a damn for vets. Why should I care about him.

By the way, don't pretend you know my personal history in regard to wounds and past pain. Been there. Done that.

crazyhorse1 wrote:I don't remember you standing up for Kerry. Maybe you trivialize his risking his life to save a fellow soldier. I remember Bush/McCain destroying the career and reputation of vet Max Cleland, who lost both his legs. Was that trivial? By the way, both of those guys and thousands of other American soldiers managed to make it through prison camps without signing false confessions for propaganda purposes or attempting suicide. I'm related to a few.

I wish McCain had respect for the above veterans and for the thousands of veterans whom he constantly votes against in matters of benefits and decent health care. The man doesn't give a damn for vets. Why should I care about him.

By the way, don't pretend you know my personal history in regard to wounds and past pain. Been there. Done that.

Wow, you must REALLY hate 3 purple heart, out on a technicality in a couple months John Kerry who had to keep putting himself in for purple hearts if you hate a real American hero like John McCain so much.

crazyhorse1 wrote:If McCain gave a damn about his country he wouldn't have given us Palin. not even to win an election

She beats the heck out of the plagarist who keeps rewriting history Joe Biden and Vladimir Obama put together. She sounds better then McCain too so far. A real small government gun nut, gotta love it.

I respect John McCain for all that he had to go through when he was enlisted, but I will NEVER vote for him. How can the USA as a whole even entertain the thought? Bush has an approval rating of like 30% and Mr. McCain sided with Bush 90% of the time. He came out and said that we might have troops in Iraq for over 100 years from now and has constantly put his foot in his mouth about the economy and foreign affairs (something he's supposed to be intelligent in). I am not strictly for Obama either, I think both candidates have their faughts. I just don't see how anyone who hates Bush can even think about voting for his older clone, Mr. McCain. Does anyone really believe that he picked Palin as a VP, because he believes in her. He wants the Clinton women voters to cling to him. Palin and McCain only met a month ago. Obama has been severely criticized because of his lack of experience, Palin has only been the Governor of Alaska for nearly 2 years and she 's only 44 years old. I just want to know from Americans, why they want to vote for McCain over Obama. If you say race has nothing to do with it, your stupid. I am a white, middle-class, 22 year old and I hear from my own friends and family how if Obama is elected he'll be assassinated because he's black and the USA is not ready for a black president. I say they're stupid. The color of your skin has nothing to do with the passion in your heart, the intelligence you've gained, or the love you have for your own country.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:I don't remember you standing up for Kerry. Maybe you trivialize his risking his life to save a fellow soldier. I remember Bush/McCain destroying the career and reputation of vet Max Cleland, who lost both his legs. Was that trivial? By the way, both of those guys and thousands of other American soldiers managed to make it through prison camps without signing false confessions for propaganda purposes or attempting suicide. I'm related to a few.

I wish McCain had respect for the above veterans and for the thousands of veterans whom he constantly votes against in matters of benefits and decent health care. The man doesn't give a damn for vets. Why should I care about him.

By the way, don't pretend you know my personal history in regard to wounds and past pain. Been there. Done that.

Wow, you must REALLY hate 3 purple heart, out on a technicality in a couple months John Kerry who had to keep putting himself in for purple hearts if you hate a real American hero like John McCain so much.

No reason to hate Kerry. He supports vets, risked his life for his country, ran a clean race without lying every time he opened his mouth or picking a joke running mate, and didn't Swift Boat anybody.

McCain's newest lie discovered-- two tapes surfaced today of McClain expressing deep reservations about the Surge just before Bush launched it. They were played on msnbc.

After all his bragging about pushing for the Surge as if it was his idea, we again discover what a liar he is. Palin as also caught in another lie-- which makes about five whoppers for her. How do you have the stomach to support these people?

Because I'd vote for my neighbor's dog before I'd vote for Obama.

JansenFan wrote:Because I'd vote for my neighbor's dog before I'd vote for Obama.

And that would be a better choice than McCain.

NC43Hog wrote:

JansenFan wrote:Because I'd vote for my neighbor's dog before I'd vote for Obama.

And that would be a better choice than McCain.

Perhaps, and yet both are better than Obama.

JansenFan wrote:

NC43Hog wrote:

JansenFan wrote:Because I'd vote for my neighbor's dog before I'd vote for Obama.

And that would be a better choice than McCain.

Perhaps, and yet both are better than Obama.

Ahh Yes. This is where we disagree.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:A real small government gun nut, gotta love it.

FYI, Alaska is about as far from small government as you can get. They get more federal funding per capita than any other state in the country. Alaska is well known as the pork-barrel state.

PulpExposure wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:A real small government gun nut, gotta love it.

FYI, Alaska is about as far from small government as you can get. They get more federal funding per capita than any other state in the country. Alaska is well known as the pork-barrel state.

They link you gave is for fiscal year 2005. If Palin has only been the Governor of Alaska for two years, how would this chart apply to her? You need a more recent chart, but nice try on the fake out.

Governors are not part of congress, so they don't have anything to do with pork-barrel spending. But here is a more recent (from 3-22-2008) link on the same subject:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... arks_N.htm

NC43Hog wrote:

JansenFan wrote:

NC43Hog wrote:

JansenFan wrote:Because I'd vote for my neighbor's dog before I'd vote for Obama.

And that would be a better choice than McCain.

Perhaps, and yet both are better than Obama.

Ahh Yes. This is where we disagree.

Either way, it sure would be nice to have an election, just once, where I could vote for someone rather than voting against someone.

Gzuz, it seems like voters are dumber than Gus Frerotte (look at the consecutive terms of the current s.o.b.).

Unfortunately, McCain WILL be our next president thus sending us back even further than Bushie did. When that happens, dear Lord, please watch over this guy cause if anything happens to him, the next president will be a hot chick who's a flippin simpleton.

God Bless Us All !

crazyhorse1 wrote:No reason to hate Kerry. He supports vets

Support, as in holding the rope for every knee jerk accusation against them? By running ahead of every lynching party? In what way did he EVER support them? This is a lie of the left.

crazyhorse1 wrote:risked his life for his country

While Kerry was getting out of the service on a technicality without missing a day of duty, McCain turned down leaving the Hanoi Hilton after being tortured for two years, roughly 6 times the entire amount of time John "Freaking outta here" Kerry spent total in Vietnam not missing a day of duty for being injured.

crazyhorse1 wrote:ran a clean race without lying every time he opened his mouth or picking a joke running mate

Um...OK. By this you mean since he took every position on every issue, one of them was actually the truth?

crazyhorse1 wrote:and didn't Swift Boat anybody

This is true, the Swift Boaters used T-R-U-T-H. Kerry couldn't tell the truth to save his life. Remember the running the Boston Marathon one? That was my favorite. These are the most important lies because they are so stupid and pointless. That's the hallmark of a compulsive liar like John "Fabrication's my game" Kerry. They lie when they DON'T HAVE TO. They lie for no reason at all, like making up running the Boston Marathon. They can't help it.

crazyhorse1 wrote:McCain's newest lie discovered-- two tapes surfaced today of McClain expressing deep reservations about the Surge just before Bush launched it. They were played on msnbc.

I like Palin so far, McCain sucks.

After all his bragging about pushing for the Surge as if it was his idea, we again discover what a liar he is.

crazyhorse1 wrote:Palin as also caught in another lie-- which makes about five whoppers for her. How do you have the stomach to support these people?

Well, if you would stop giving us nut jobs like Al Gore, America haters like John Kerry, islamofasist supporting Marxists like Obama and the parade of losers coming before them I wouldn't have to chose between their garbage and yours.

Wait, I haven't since George the Idiot I in 1988. But I'm seriously considering McCain this time. You really crossed the line when you chose a guy who is seriously a Marxist according to his OWN advertising in the NC primaries. You know I'm a management consultant, MBA free enterprise extremist. And you get an assist by the Libertarians who nominated a conservative Republican giving me no viable choice this time. Of course over the last 20 years I did say I would vote for Bush over Kerry and Dole over Clinton and couldn't do it. But I really may do it this time.

As for Palin being caught in a fifth lie, you keep track, don't tell me what the lie was, but there were 5 that a loyal left wing Democrat counted against his deep partisan enemy. Thanks.

PulpExposure wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:A real small government gun nut, gotta love it.

FYI, Alaska is about as far from small government as you can get. They get more federal funding per capita than any other state in the country. Alaska is well known as the pork-barrel state.

I actually don't really have any opinion on Palin at this point personally except that the attacks of the left were immediate and dripping with hypocrisy is pretty much every way possible. Age, experience, sex, background. She's the worst thing possible to the lily white eastern liberal elitists. She's not one of them or a trained monkey for them like Obama is. That means they destroy her. The liberal elitists are all for people of color et al as long as they don't dare try thinking for themselves.

Anyway, as typical it's a stupid election between crappy candidates who will in the end do pretty much the same thing anyway. What is wrong with the Libertarians this time to pick a conservative Republican? I really don't feel any pull at all to vote for Barr. I don't see how that makes an anti-government statement. It just seems to make a "different government" statement.

I'm also not clear on that Alaska's not small government meaning she isn't. But again I can't refute that since I don't know enough about her and the liberal media being the military wing of the Democratic party is just out to get her for the political wing running for office.

langleyparkjoe wrote:Gzuz, it seems like voters are dumber than Gus Frerotte (look at the consecutive terms of the current s.o.b.).

Unfortunately, McCain WILL be our next president thus sending us back even further than Bushie did. When that happens, dear Lord, please watch over this guy cause if anything happens to him, the next president will be a hot chick who's a flippin simpleton.

God Bless Us All !

And none of this is getting you any free government cheese...