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This thread is not about Zorn or Campbell or heart desire or Missed blocks etc
Those my friends are effects ...Lets talk the cause...Lets not talk about the symptoms ...LETS TALK THE DISEASE!
ONE WORD----------CONTINUITY!

A franchise doesnt control much in the new NFL...parity is the game....the best way to get a competitive advantage is not signing players or high end coachs
its----CONTINUITY!
Giants won last year because they didnot listen to the pundits for 3 years about Firing Coughlin......THEY STUCK WITH IT-----kept hammering away..and boom when their oppurtunity came..they were ready because of ------CONTINUITY....they were prepared in a scheme they knew well on both sides of ball...
Steelers Eagles Patriots all are solid teams year in year out---why...CONTINUITY! GRANTED Patriots have no reason ever to break up
But didnt the Steelers win just a few years back?....why...they stuck with Cowher .....after all those playoff losses they stuck with him and what happened.....when there time came...they were ready because that franchise kept everything together for almost a decade....players left and went and were interchangeable...but the system stayed the same
NOW LETS TALK OUR BELOVED FRANCHISE
Were a model of CHAOS
IN THIS DECADE ALONE!-----We are now in our 5TH BRAND NEW offensive sytem in 8 years!!!!......For 5 of the 8 years we have been learning on the job while we rack up losses and frustation..our record in those 5 years-(01,02 04 05 08)...now stands at 24-41....thats an expected outcome ...IT SHOULD BE OF NO SURPRISE.....there learning years..but our franchise..is perptually stuck in those years ...we reset the clock CONSTANTLY!.....IN the ONLY 3 YEARS this decade has management given the players the oppurtunity to play in an offensive system for a 2nd consecutive year...our record stands at 24-24 2 playoff appearnces and 1 playoff win
and this includes Spurriers 5-11 year
Even that plastic Surgery Freak Jerry Jones was quoted as saying he hired that FAT TUB Phillips because "we have 3-4 personnel and were in no position to change " and when he kept Garrett he said this off season " we cant afford to have Romo start over".....WOW---CONTINUITY
obviously the plastic surgey and the anesthesia has done less damage to Jones brain that Cerrato has done to Danny boys.

Fellas almost one year ago today JC played his best road game of his career in Philly.......How long ago that must feel to everyone now in terms JC's development.....then why the putridness two days ago?
is JC less the player?..Is Jc getting worse?....is he dumb? did our team get worse?.........nope ...simple answer is
LACK OF-----------------CONTINUITY!!!!--

Ownership and mangement fielded a franchise on Thursday nite ---THAT ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE IN WINNING....it did not give the players the best oppurtunity to win?...why because the offense is learning and entirely new playbook for 5th time 8 years!!!!!!!!!
the diffence in that game was this........GIANTS KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND WE DIDNT!!!.....no more no less!
Did our players have the chance to let their instincts and talent take over?...NOPE.....Because they are indecisive, and unsure what to do on every god damn offensive play....how reminiscint this is....harkens memories to Marty's 01 Spurriers 02 Gibbs 04 Saunders 06 ...

Im tired of watching my coaches play for 3rd and 5's on offense only because players dont know blocking schemes, receivers dont know routes and the qb is learning everything new AGAIN!
iTS UNACCEPTABLE THAT ownership has done this again to the players and its fans.......How amazing that Freak Jerry Jones is actually MORE concerned about Romo's devlopment than we are JC's...MINDBOGGLING

Guys rip JC all you want...but this franchise has failed him miserablly ...I dont give a hoot who they hired as HC...AL SAUNDERS SHOULD HAVE STAYED!!!!...for the sake of one word
CONTINUITY!!!!!!!!

The redskins are arrogant ignorant and out clueless why....they dont resoect that word one iota...NOT ONE......for the 5th time in 8 years we have been told
"offense should look better next year"........5X!!!!!!!! IN 8 YEARS!!!
THATS 5 LEARNING WASTED YEARS...3 YEARS OF
CONTINUTY!
AND IN 2 OF THEM ...WE WERE PLAYOFF TEAMS....NO Coincendence!

were a 4th place team fellas and if you think otherwise I love ya optimism and spirit..and i truly hope your right and im wrong....one problem...History tells me im right.....little quote i would love to stamp on Snyders and Cerratos forehead
"PEOPLE WHO DO LEARN OR EDUCATE THEMSELVES ON HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT"
ladies and gentleman our ownership....embodies that quote!!!!

yep were a 4th place team...not because we have less talent or less plamakers or our coaches stink etc etc
were a 4th place team because the GIANTS EAGLES AND COWBOYS
HAVE ONE THING THEY RESPECT AND ADHERE TO

CONTINUITY!!!!!!!!!!!!

MEZZSKIN wrote:"PEOPLE WHO DO LEARN OR EDUCATE THEMSELVES ON HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT"

Do...Don't...Whatever.

I think The Evil Straw said it best ...
"Just because everyone can post every thought that occurs to them ...
doesn't mean everyone should post every thought that occurs to them."

I meant "dont"
missed a few letters in my anger

well im sick of hearing....Campbell stinks...Zorn is a moron ..we have no heart etc etc..
Managemant again failed the players ...Clearly they are not put in the best position to win in 2008...AGAIN...5TH TIME IN 8 YEARS
and
they failed us as fans......i dont even know how Season ticket holders continue paying for continuious yearly rebuilding..god bless them
I feel ripped off because I renewed my direct Tv package

MEZZSKIN wrote:This thread is not about Zorn or Campbell or heart desire or Missed blocks etc
Those my friends are effects ...Lets talk the cause...Lets not talk about the symptoms ...LETS TALK THE DISEASE!
ONE WORD----------CONTINUITY!

A franchise doesnt control much in the new NFL...parity is the game....the best way to get a competitive advantage is not signing players or high end coachs
its----CONTINUITY!
Giants won last year because they didnot listen to the pundits for 3 years about Firing Coughlin......THEY STUCK WITH IT-----kept hammering away..and boom when their oppurtunity came..they were ready because of ------CONTINUITY....they were prepared in a scheme they knew well on both sides of ball...
Steelers Eagles Patriots all are solid teams year in year out---why...CONTINUITY! GRANTED Patriots have no reason ever to break up
But didnt the Steelers win just a few years back?....why...they stuck with Cowher .....after all those playoff losses they stuck with him and what happened.....when there time came...they were ready because that franchise kept everything together for almost a decade....players left and went and were interchangeable...but the system stayed the same
NOW LETS TALK OUR BELOVED FRANCHISE
Were a model of CHAOS
IN THIS DECADE ALONE!-----We are now in our 5TH BRAND NEW offensive sytem in 8 years!!!!......For 5 of the 8 years we have been learning on the job while we rack up losses and frustation..our record in those 5 years-(01,02 04 05 08)...now stands at 24-41....thats an expected outcome ...IT SHOULD BE OF NO SURPRISE.....there learning years..but our franchise..is perptually stuck in those years ...we reset the clock CONSTANTLY!.....IN the ONLY 3 YEARS this decade has management given the players the oppurtunity to play in an offensive system for a 2nd consecutive year...our record stands at 24-24 2 playoff appearnces and 1 playoff win
and this includes Spurriers 5-11 year
Even that plastic Surgery Freak Jerry Jones was quoted as saying he hired that FAT TUB Phillips because "we have 3-4 personnel and were in no position to change " and when he kept Garrett he said this off season " we cant afford to have Romo start over".....WOW---CONTINUITY
obviously the plastic surgey and the anesthesia has done less damage to Jones brain that Cerrato has done to Danny boys.

Fellas almost one year ago today JC played his best road game of his career in Philly.......How long ago that must feel to everyone now in terms JC's development.....then why the putridness two days ago?
is JC less the player?..Is Jc getting worse?....is he dumb? did our team get worse?.........nope ...simple answer is
LACK OF-----------------CONTINUITY!!!!--

Ownership and mangement fielded a franchise on Thursday nite ---THAT ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE IN WINNING....it did not give the players the best oppurtunity to win?...why because the offense is learning and entirely new playbook for 5th time 8 years!!!!!!!!!
the diffence in that game was this........GIANTS KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND WE DIDNT!!!.....no more no less!
Did our players have the chance to let their instincts and talent take over?...NOPE.....Because they are indecisive, and unsure what to do on every god damn offensive play....how reminiscint this is....harkens memories to Marty's 01 Spurriers 02 Gibbs 04 Saunders 06 ...

Im tired of watching my coaches play for 3rd and 5's on offense only because players dont know blocking schemes, receivers dont know routes and the qb is learning everything new AGAIN!
iTS UNACCEPTABLE THAT ownership has done this again to the players and its fans.......How amazing that Freak Jerry Jones is actually MORE concerned about Romo's devlopment than we are JC's...MINDBOGGLING

Guys rip JC all you want...but this franchise has failed him miserablly ...I dont give a hoot who they hired as HC...AL SAUNDERS SHOULD HAVE STAYED!!!!...for the sake of one word
CONTINUITY!!!!!!!!

The redskins are arrogant ignorant and out clueless why....they dont resoect that word one iota...NOT ONE......for the 5th time in 8 years we have been told
"offense should look better next year"........5X!!!!!!!! IN 8 YEARS!!!
THATS 5 LEARNING WASTED YEARS...3 YEARS OF
CONTINUTY!
AND IN 2 OF THEM ...WE WERE PLAYOFF TEAMS....NO Coincendence!

were a 4th place team fellas and if you think otherwise I love ya optimism and spirit..and i truly hope your right and im wrong....one problem...History tells me im right.....little quote i would love to stamp on Snyders and Cerratos forehead
"PEOPLE WHO DO LEARN OR EDUCATE THEMSELVES ON HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT"
ladies and gentleman our ownership....embodies that quote!!!!

yep were a 4th place team...not because we have less talent or less plamakers or our coaches stink etc etc
were a 4th place team because the GIANTS EAGLES AND COWBOYS
HAVE ONE THING THEY RESPECT AND ADHERE TO

CONTINUITY!!!!!!!!!!!!

The sky is falling! The sky is falling! You fareweathers are all the same. If they had won on Thursday, would this be written? NO.

Stop cryin man its one game .

You put so much into this post you would think that the Redskins are you life. These guys are millionaires and you fareweathers are running around like "It's the end of the world and we know it". Get real.

i don't think the redskins will ever be winners as long as a couple losers are running the front office.

THERE is nothing fairweather about me...IM A REALIST....im talking facts about the last 8 years...FACTS..
we have two clowns running our team...OUTRIGHT CLOWNS..They have the track record and trophy case to prove it

and if the Redskins do well this year (win between 9-11 games) it will despite horrendous management
but they wont....
this Franchise has no continious game plan..NONE NADA.

Fairweather is crying about zorn and yelling for Cowher.. that.will just foster our treacherous disease of mind numbing stupidity

WE TOOK THE FIELD AND HAD NO CHANCE OF WINNING BECAUSE WE OUR PLAYERS WERE JAMMED ANOTHER PLAYBOOK DOWN THEIR THROATS!!!
its insanity!!!....
im not mad we lost...it happens and we never win there anyway
but its the fact we had no chance of winning..none ...because he have zero year to year continuity...and other teams do
and the competitive diffrence was showed Thursday ..
i hope im wrong and I love the Redskins
BUT I HAVE SEEN THIS NIGHTMARE MOVIE BEFORE

We won there just nine months ago. I agree with you about continuity, but to say we had no chance is wrong, because we were just a couple of plays from winning that game. Like The Danny, you just need to give it some time.

Today we lack continuity because Gibbs abandoned this team most likely when it needed him the most. There is definately something to be said for continuity/stability. I feel like if Gibbs 2 wasn't old as dirt then maybe he would still be here. His age plus the stress of last year was just too much. I think we have the most entertaining people for players, I'm not so sure we have the best players. I mean a guy like plaxico burress c'mon, T.O please, the Skins haven't had a WR that just physically dominates people in how long? Malcom Kelly has a shot. We just gotta keep pluggin, if we don't make the playoffs I think you have to look at Mr. Cowher.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Today we lack continuity because Gibbs abandoned this team most likely when it needed him the most. There is definately something to be said for continuity/stability. I feel like if Gibbs 2 wasn't old as dirt then maybe he would still be here. His age plus the stress of last year was just too much. I think we have the most entertaining people for players, I'm not so sure we have the best players. I mean a guy like plaxico burress c'mon, T.O please, the Skins haven't had a WR that just physically dominates people in how long? Malcom Kelly has a shot. We just gotta keep pluggin, if we don't make the playoffs I think you have to look at Mr. Cowher.

That would be a huge mistake. Another in a long list for The Danny. If he want's a winning team any time in the next 3 years, he needs to stick with Zorn.

I partly agree with Mezz:

- I wish Snyder had hired GW as head coach and kept Saunders as OC. Yes, continuity. (No, Gibbs did not quit on the team, but that's a different discussion).

However, given that Snyder and Cerrato chose Zorn, I back the choice and the team. It would be self-destructive to switch coaches. We have to live with this one, and hope.

Redskin fans always hope. We don't expect that the nature of being (note: a bit of metaphysics!) guarantees that the Redskins should be champs. We aren't delusional, like Cowboy fans. We remember GP Marshall and some intentionally bad teams, and we remember Steve Spurrier runnning the Redskins like a college "program".

If we are tough enough to live through Spurrier, and Norv Turner, and Otto Graham (great passing game coach who didn't care about defense and thought the run game was boring), and Mike Nixon, and Marshall's 1950s lunacy, we can stick with the team now.

Here's to Jim Zorn, and the learning process.

well said good points Welch. I agree 100% GW sould've been chosen. But we have a coach now. Zorn will be successful, we just have to give it some time.

Mezz, let be put another word in the discussion...patience. Yes we have changed systems and our offense looked terrible but it's a starting point. In your post you used the Colts and the Cowboys as examples of continuity...I humbly remind you that Indy had to wait years for Manning to develop into an elite quaterback while going through many different offensive cordinators. Dallas brought in an unknown named Jason Garret to be the O-Cord. Those of us who watched football for many years knew him as the constant beachwarmer, no one could have predicted his sucess as a coach. My point here is this: A change had to be made...yes it's tough changing systems but I would remind everyone that Al Sanders offense with the Skins was no juggernaut. With Zorn we have taken a new path and will have an uphill climb to become an elite offense but the groundwork is there and Zorn is a motivated ambitious guy, which usually means sucess. Another big change this year that goes against your continuity arguement was that Snyder didn't continue his streak of paying for over-priced free agents. I, like every Redskins fan yelled at the TV, questioned Zorn play calling and entered a state of mouring after the loss, however I'm not ready to burn my jerseys and declare myself a Panthers fan (I live in SC). We might go 4 and 12 this season but I remember many years of the Patriots and Colts being the bottom of the barrel in the NFL. Also I remember how pathetic the NY Giants looked in the first two games of last year. My advice is to stay calm, step away from the ledge and perhaps wait till the season is the rearview mirror before we storm the gates of FEDEX field demanding Zorn and Snyders head.

i think everyone who is just going crazy because we lost the first game of the year and didnt have a good offense shouldnt be too mad. its not like these players can just hop from the Saunders way and right into Zorn's way. Patience. We will get going

I believe Zorn is going to be hugely successful, and I don't think it's going to take much time to see it start happening. I can honestly see why Snyder hired him now. He's real...he's honest...he's extremely knowledgeable, and I think he relates well to the players.

Yes, the offense sucked thursday. But they had chances to win that game in spite of that. Zorn is brand new. He's got a learning curve to deal with too, and under the circumstances, I think he's doing just fine. Just fine and dandy.

And I think he's going to isolate the problems on offense and fix what's wrong. He doesn't strike me as the type so set in his ways that no matter how many times they stop it, I'm still going to run that jumbo package kind of coach.

And I think Campbell has about 4 more games to show improvement. If he keeps doing what he's been doing, Zorn is going to sit him, you watch. He may not bench him permanently, but I think Zorn will make changes, and not accept failure. He's likely to theorize that if Campbell can't make the adjustment on the field, he'll sit until he plays his way back on the field.

That's just my gut feeling after watching Zorn's presser. And sitting Jansen is a clue....

I agree with most of it as well, why do I have the feeling that Zorn is on the way out already. I would have no problem with DS giving him 4 full years to sink or swim. But I know he won't, if Cowher says next year he wants to coach the Skins I believe DS would dump Zorn in a minute?

Agreement on lack of CONTINUITY as one of the main culprits:

MEZZSKIN wrote:This thread is not about Zorn or Campbell or heart desire or Missed blocks etc
Those my friends are effects ...Lets talk the cause...Lets not talk about the symptoms ...LETS TALK THE DISEASE!
ONE WORD----------CONTINUITY!

I know he blamed LACK of continuity and not CONTINUITY itself just in the way Welch put it:

welch wrote:I partly agree with Mezz:

- I wish Snyder had hired GW as head coach and kept Saunders as OC. Yes, continuity.

Let us clarify that there has been LACK of CONTINUITY at the player/coaches level. The only CONTINUITY that this team has endured in the last decade or so is represented by Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato.

Rightful cries for PATIENCE, continuity and loyalty:

welch wrote:If we are tough enough to live through Spurrier, and Norv Turner, and Otto Graham (great passing game coach who didn't care about defense and thought the run game was boring), and Mike Nixon, and Marshall's 1950s lunacy, we can stick with the team now.

Here's to Jim Zorn, and the learning process.

JSPB22 wrote:... Like The Danny, you just need to give it some time.

SKINFAN wrote:... Zorn will be successful, we just have to give it some time.

MDSKINSFAN wrote: Patience. We will get going

PATIENCE? In the age of the internet and instant communication? In the age for the need to market the next pre-packaged illusion for Redskins fans straddling between blind faith and true loyalty every new season? In the age of tens of millions of dollars worth of endorsements, TV, corporate sales and team merchandise? PATIENCE???

PATIENCE, whether you call it loyalty or even blind faith, means ONE -disastrous- season to many fans and this owner:

Leadbelly wrote:... perhaps wait till the season is the rearview mirror before we storm the gates of FEDEX field demanding Zorn and Snyders head.

Patience? No way. My money (more than two cents) is here:

hailskins666 wrote:i don't think the redskins will ever be winners as long as a couple losers are running the front office.

Leadership starts at the top. We had PLENTY of time to strengthen the fundamentals at DL and OL. Those are not flashy positions. They are blue-collar trench fighters. They are the ones that allow the team to do EVERYTHING else and win games.

When you seat your highest paid offensive lineman, your rock and one of the few franchise players, or you play your star DE on the wrong side of the line, something VERY wrong is going on. Either Jansen is old and hurt and just not reliable anymore, or it is STUPID not to put him in there.

Our DL and OL got manhandled easily by superior Giants units without two of their best DL from last season. This is going to be a LONG, VERY LONG season against other DLs and OLs due to the shortsightedness and stupidity of those in the Front Office.

RayNAustin wrote:And I think Campbell has about 4 more games to show improvement.

Not even Brett Favre could have done much more without solid OL protection. I am no JC fan. He has inherent problems and others brought on him by different systems which have hampered his growth (Patrick Ramsey comes to mind). None of our current crop of QB can do better than Campbell with the same OL.

I will only make one last point:

EVERY TIME we succeeded in the past, it was on the shoulders of dominant OLs and DLs. You know who they were as knowledgeable fans. After all, the name of this website should tell the story about one group.

Sorry for the rant. I still love my team too much to see it abused like that.

(Back to my dormant status) ...

That offense Thursday night didn't look any better or worst that Joe Gibbs version with Brunnel for the last 4 years, excepting the last 4 games of last year when we got to see Saunders real offense. Stop with the cannonizing of Joe Gibbs. Gibbs II sucked! Yes, we went to 2 play-off games. We were play-off fodder. Just a fill in for the first week or two.

As for the snappy shots at Dan Snyder, come on...he has tried to bring a winning team to Washington, it is a given his methods have not been very successful. BUt he gets an A for trying. When he went out and spent big on useless free agents, what did the fans do? Criticize for over spending. When he sat pat and didn't spend big on useless free agents, what did the fans do? Complaint and criticize because he didn't over spend.

We have a new coach, a new system and have lost one game. The end of the world is not a hand. Hanburgerhelper has the right of it in his post.

aswas71788 wrote:That offense Thursday night didn't look any better or worst that Joe Gibbs version with Brunnel for the last 4 years, excepting the last 4 games of last year when we got to see Saunders real offense. Stop with the cannonizing of Joe Gibbs. Gibbs II sucked! Yes, we went to 2 play-off games. We were play-off fodder. Just a fill in for the first week or two.

As for the snappy shots at Dan Snyder, come on...he has tried to bring a winning team to Washington, it is a given his methods have not been very successful. BUt he gets an A for trying. When he went out and spent big on useless free agents, what did the fans do? Criticize for over spending. When he sat pat and didn't spend big on useless free agents, what did the fans do? Complaint and criticize because he didn't over spend.

We have a new coach, a new system and have lost one game. The end of the world is not a hand. Hanburgerhelper has the right of it in his post.

Winning at Tampa in 2005 is hardly "playoff fodder". The Seahawk team that beat us next week went to the Superbowl. Keep in mind that this was in JB II second season. We won our last 5 games that year and stormed to the playoffs.

The BIG BIG step back come during the 2006 season.

2007 was another memorable year.

So, yes. We need continuity to succeed, unless your coach is a guy called Norv.

aswas71788 wrote:Hanburgerhelper has the right of it in his post.

Where exactly is said post?

JSPB22 wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:Hanburgerhelper has the right of it in his post.

Where exactly is said post?

The Sky is Falling...Not!

El Mexican wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:That offense Thursday night didn't look any better or worst that Joe Gibbs version with Brunnel for the last 4 years, excepting the last 4 games of last year when we got to see Saunders real offense. Stop with the cannonizing of Joe Gibbs. Gibbs II sucked! Yes, we went to 2 play-off games. We were play-off fodder. Just a fill in for the first week or two.

As for the snappy shots at Dan Snyder, come on...he has tried to bring a winning team to Washington, it is a given his methods have not been very successful. BUt he gets an A for trying. When he went out and spent big on useless free agents, what did the fans do? Criticize for over spending. When he sat pat and didn't spend big on useless free agents, what did the fans do? Complaint and criticize because he didn't over spend.

We have a new coach, a new system and have lost one game. The end of the world is not a hand. Hanburgerhelper has the right of it in his post.

Winning at Tampa in 2005 is hardly "playoff fodder". The Seahawk team that beat us next week went to the Superbowl. Keep in mind that this was in JB II second season. We won our last 5 games that year and stormed to the playoffs.

The BIG BIG step back come during the 2006 season.

2007 was another memorable year.

So, yes. We need continuity to succeed, unless your coach is a guy called Norv.

There is some confusion about the memory of 2005/6 and 2007/8. The win at Tampa was an absolute joke. The Redskins under Mark Brunell managed what? 129 total offensive yards. Call it a defensive struggle if you want but it was still pathetic. The Redskins were blown away in Seattle 33-14 in 2007/8 and lost 20 - 10 in 2005/6. If we are going to be measured by the Seahawks almost winning the Super Bowl then we are also measured by Tampa that lost to a team that produced 129 yards of offense.

Those 2 years are memorable only because of the year-end runs. Yes, they were memorable but for most of the season, the Redskins wallowed in a punchless offense led by Mark Brunell and Joe Gibbs and the fans (including the one's on this board, myself included) ranted about the poor offensive performance. How many posts were there about getting rid of Brunell? There were even some to get rid of Gibbs.

Now Dan Snyder is blamed for all of the ills of the Redskins. Dan Snyder did exactly what the fans had accused him of not doing when he got Gibbs to come back. He hired a HoF coach and kept his hands off. Dan Snyder got the Redskins greatest hope for resurrection to come back. It didn't work and wasn't ever going to work. The Redskins lost more games than they won from 2003 to 2007 (Gibbs II).

Dan Snyder deserves a lot of appreciation for trying to get the Redskins back to being a dominant team by getting Gibbs to come back, by trying to get the best players and by trying to get the best coaches, not to be blasted because someone thinks they know exactly what should be done. If they are so sure they are the savior of the Redskins, let them go to Dan Snyder and present their case, I am sure that if you have a fool proof scheme to get the Redskins to the Super Bowl every year he will listen ... or buy the team and show us. But be careful, you may wind up getting posts about how you are responsible for the bad team, the bad games, the bad players and anything else that someone who knows exactly what should be done can think up.

It is easy to sit back and provide all sorts of solutions, claim they are the right ones and lay blame on someone who is not going to respond. It is harder to be a loyal Redskins fan and bare the frustrations of the ups and downs of our team and for not being the Super Bowl champions every year. Being a loyal fan is living through the bad years and waiting for next year as well as celebrating a Super Bowl victory.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!! My team of choice. If they go 0 - 16, 19 - 0 or anywhere in between this year, I will be here next year, God willing.

This team is not going anywhere as long as Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato are running it. How many bone-headed personnel moves like Jason Taylor, Devin Thomas, and Malcolm Kelly does it take to prove these two clowns don't know what they're doing?

Keeping 10 drafted players? What's that supposed to prove, that Cerrato and Zorn are not incompetent after all? Hardly. What it proves is that Zorn is not in control of this team, and he was picked as a front man. Zorn is a fall guy and he will be fired as soon as this team goes 4-12 or something like it. Then the Danny the fantasy football owner will be on to his next coach, if he can find one willing to play chump. By that time, Zorn will be happy to leave, because he will finally realize has been put in a no-win situation. Snyder and Cerrato in 8 years of stupid personnel decisions and mediocre football have proven themselves completely incompetent at personnel management, and it looks like they will continue to be so. It's good to hear so many of the fans on this board are willing to cheer the team on even if we go 0-16, because we've got a lot of really bad seasons ahead of us with this crew running the ship.

This team is not going anywhere as long as Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato are running it. How many bone-headed personnel moves like Jason Taylor, Devin Thomas, and Malcolm Kelly does it take to prove these two clowns don't know what they're doing?

What exactly has picking up these players proved? Nothing yet. Two are rookies that are admittedly getting off on a slow start, but how, honestly, can you use a rookie in the first week of the NFL season to judge ANYTHING.

As for JT, we had to pick up an end. Would you rather rely on Chris Wilson as an every down end? what about a guy who's not recovered fully from major reconstructive surgery on his knee (James). Or better yet, we can rely on a 7th round draft pick!!

There are many examples you could have used, but poor examples only discredit your own theories.