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I'd like to point out some positives now that everyone(the team especially) has seen the first half hour of offense and defense in a real battle.

London Fletcher had 17 tackles. Honestly, I had the feeling that we might get slaughtered after that first quarter but the defense seemed to put the game on it's shoulders and leave us in the game until the last few minutes. This bodes well for the rest of the season.

Zorn called a timeout with 1:38 left, after the injury stopped the clock. This is HUGE. Gibbs wouldn't have realized the clock would restart until the clock was running and down another 30 seconds. All it means to me is that Zorn is well prepared. This could take some time but he's given the team a structure and plan to use, and if we're going to get beat in the future, it won't be his doing.

We gave up just one sack. Felt worse, didn't it? The protection didn't look good but we would all be optimists if Santana Moss didn't give up on the bomb

They Threw Deep, finally. Also, that was the deepest pass I've seen in the last five years. And it was on the money. I don't know if I'll ever know why Santana slowed up at the ten and then scrambled only to watch it end up on the ground. He had the step, and the pass was EXACTLY where it needed to be, 65 yards away. If nothing else, it alone opened up both the pass and the run for the rest of the game

Tryon played, and we didn't see him get beat. Springs not playing was the worst case scenario, and I don't think anyone saw it coming. Blache shut down the Giants well with Springs out. Zero points in the second half.

We should have had FIVE interceptions. Two by Smoot, two by Carlos and one by Landry. Blache seems to blitz less but he has been known to create turnovers with his defensive style. Perhaps pine tar might help.

No turnovers. This coupled with a defense that covers man well could always keep us competitive in games. If Smoot holds on to that first one, it's a whole new ballgame.

Landry-yes he got trucked- but he got right back in the game and played as aggressively as he did before getting run over, only he seemed veteran in the way he hit Jacobs hard and low for the rest of the game. He still intimidated Plaxico and the other reciever that got gator arms by aiming high, and on that half sack, he was completely blocked and he still got to Eli in a hurry.

On a side note, when Landry did get trucked, it was the first time I thought about 21. What he did for this team was so underrated. We don't have a heady linebacker, Fletcher is always there but like the old Arrington, Sean Taylor could stop forward progress the moment he got there. We just didn't have anyone unstoppable enough on the D-line to get off their blocks to hit Jacobs and if Fletcher gets blocked, Jacobs was guaranteed five yards in falling down. Taylor would have stopped that. Landry did a great job trying, but it might be years before we ever see a game changer like 21. Would have been a great decade with Landry and Taylor but before it even started, it's time to move on. Next year we need to get a stud Defensive Tackle. I've never understood why we never go after any 350 guys. At the very least teams can't run straight downhill on them.

I saw enough last night to keep my faith in this team. I'm looking forward to Zorn's press conference and seeing how he handles this. I thought Heyer did a good job after whiffing on Tuck and then the false start. The whole offense had a false start in the first half, but we ended up with 209 yards of offense. The touchdown was a solid play call, as well as two screens ruined by penalties. We were looking for ey all game and twice he was the guy for a screen pass with Samuels blocking and unengaged. Why didn't Saunders/Gibbs ever think of that??? ey is the toughest guy to bring down, it just makes so much sense and it even made me wonder why I had never thought of that. New Orleans isn't as good on defense next week, but I don't think that's the problem. I think this offense is going to get it, it just might take continuity and faith.

Nice to see we have some positive fans they are far and few nice post

From last night, nowhere to go but UP!!!!!

BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:I'd like to point out some positives now that everyone(the team especially) has seen the first half hour of offense and defense in a real battle.

London Fletcher had 17 tackles. Honestly, I had the feeling that we might get slaughtered after that first quarter but the defense seemed to put the game on it's shoulders and leave us in the game until the last few minutes. This bodes well for the rest of the season.

Zorn called a timeout with 1:38 left, after the injury stopped the clock. This is HUGE. Gibbs wouldn't have realized the clock would restart until the clock was running and down another 30 seconds. All it means to me is that Zorn is well prepared. This could take some time but he's given the team a structure and plan to use, and if we're going to get beat in the future, it won't be his doing.

We gave up just one sack. Felt worse, didn't it? The protection didn't look good but we would all be optimists if Santana Moss didn't give up on the bomb

They Threw Deep, finally. Also, that was the deepest pass I've seen in the last five years. And it was on the money. I don't know if I'll ever know why Santana slowed up at the ten and then scrambled only to watch it end up on the ground. He had the step, and the pass was EXACTLY where it needed to be, 65 yards away. If nothing else, it alone opened up both the pass and the run for the rest of the game

Tryon played, and we didn't see him get beat. Springs not playing was the worst case scenario, and I don't think anyone saw it coming. Blache shut down the Giants well with Springs out. Zero points in the second half.

We should have had FIVE interceptions. Two by Smoot, two by Carlos and one by Landry. Blache seems to blitz less but he has been known to create turnovers with his defensive style. Perhaps pine tar might help.

No turnovers. This coupled with a defense that covers man well could always keep us competitive in games. If Smoot holds on to that first one, it's a whole new ballgame.

Landry-yes he got trucked- but he got right back in the game and played as aggressively as he did before getting run over, only he seemed veteran in the way he hit Jacobs hard and low for the rest of the game. He still intimidated Plaxico and the other reciever that got gator arms by aiming high, and on that half sack, he was completely blocked and he still got to Eli in a hurry.

On a side note, when Landry did get trucked, it was the first time I thought about 21. What he did for this team was so underrated. We don't have a heady linebacker, Fletcher is always there but like the old Arrington, Sean Taylor could stop forward progress the moment he got there. We just didn't have anyone unstoppable enough on the D-line to get off their blocks to hit Jacobs and if Fletcher gets blocked, Jacobs was guaranteed five yards in falling down. Taylor would have stopped that. Landry did a great job trying, but it might be years before we ever see a game changer like 21. Would have been a great decade with Landry and Taylor but before it even started, it's time to move on. Next year we need to get a stud Defensive Tackle. I've never understood why we never go after any 350 guys. At the very least teams can't run straight downhill on them.

I saw enough last night to keep my faith in this team. I'm looking forward to Zorn's press conference and seeing how he handles this. I thought Heyer did a good job after whiffing on Tuck and then the false start. The whole offense had a false start in the first half, but we ended up with 209 yards of offense. The touchdown was a solid play call, as well as two screens ruined by penalties. We were looking for ey all game and twice he was the guy for a screen pass with Samuels blocking and unengaged. Why didn't Saunders/Gibbs ever think of that??? ey is the toughest guy to bring down, it just makes so much sense and it even made me wonder why I had never thought of that. New Orleans isn't as good on defense next week, but I don't think that's the problem. I think this offense is going to get it, it just might take continuity and faith.

I completly agree with you. Just imagine if we had held onto the ball for all 5 interceptions. The other thing that I wanted to bring up is this. The Giants just dominated this game we should have been beat 50-7 but as poorly as we played against the world champions we only lost by 9 points.

I like the optimism of most of the post but..

don't know if I'll ever know why Santana slowed up at the ten and then scrambled only to watch it end up on the ground. He had the step, and the pass was EXACTLY where it needed to be, 65 yards away.

tana probably thought the play was over or had been broken up because he slowed down but I think he would have ran out of the back of the end zone if he would have kept going at full speed the entire time.

B&G faith, you had to go there.... #21 was the enforcer... Yah he got beat at times, but your spot on, when he hits, the ball carrier rarrely gets forward. The whole game, I was imagining how different it would've been seeing 21 on a blitz, or seeing #21 covering plax.

floridaskinsfan wrote:I like the optimism of most of the post but..

don't know if I'll ever know why Santana slowed up at the ten and then scrambled only to watch it end up on the ground. He had the step, and the pass was EXACTLY where it needed to be, 65 yards away.

tana probably thought the play was over or had been broken up because he slowed down but I think he would have ran out of the back of the end zone if he would have kept going at full speed the entire time.

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If Moss slowed down, then sped up again, and arrived at the ball, then that means the ball was underthrown. If he was full speed the whole time, he would have been further down the field, therefore outrunning the pass.

Keep the Faith

VetSkinsFan wrote:

floridaskinsfan wrote:I like the optimism of most of the post but..

don't know if I'll ever know why Santana slowed up at the ten and then scrambled only to watch it end up on the ground. He had the step, and the pass was EXACTLY where it needed to be, 65 yards away.

tana probably thought the play was over or had been broken up because he slowed down but I think he would have ran out of the back of the end zone if he would have kept going at full speed the entire time.

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If Moss slowed down, then sped up again, and arrived at the ball, then that means the ball was underthrown. If he was full speed the whole time, he would have been further down the field, therefore outrunning the pass.

Yah the ball was underthrown I thought, Tana could've done a better job at selling it, but the DB was tracking the ball not the WR. It was still good that JC attempted that deep pass though, I hope there will be more attempts next game.

SKINFAN wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

floridaskinsfan wrote:I like the optimism of most of the post but..

don't know if I'll ever know why Santana slowed up at the ten and then scrambled only to watch it end up on the ground. He had the step, and the pass was EXACTLY where it needed to be, 65 yards away.

tana probably thought the play was over or had been broken up because he slowed down but I think he would have ran out of the back of the end zone if he would have kept going at full speed the entire time.

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If Moss slowed down, then sped up again, and arrived at the ball, then that means the ball was underthrown. If he was full speed the whole time, he would have been further down the field, therefore outrunning the pass.

Yah the ball was underthrown I thought, Tana could've done a better job at selling it, but the DB was tracking the ball not the WR. It was still good that JC attempted that deep pass though, I hope there will be more attempts next game.

The presser I just watched said that Moss thought JC was sacked already. I hope giving up on plays isn't becoming a habit on Moss' part.

OH crap, Vet, I hope not!

BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:...They Threw Deep, finally. Also, that was the deepest pass I've seen in the last five years. And it was on the money. I don't know if I'll ever know why Santana slowed up at the ten and then scrambled only to watch it end up on the ground. He had the step, and the pass was EXACTLY where it needed to be, 65 yards away. If nothing else, it alone opened up both the pass and the run for the rest of the game

On a side note, when Landry did get trucked, it was the first time I thought about 21. What he did for this team was so underrated. We don't have a heady linebacker, Fletcher is always there but like the old Arrington, Sean Taylor could stop forward progress the moment he got there. We just didn't have anyone unstoppable enough on the D-line to get off their blocks to hit Jacobs and if Fletcher gets blocked, Jacobs was guaranteed five yards in falling down. Taylor would have stopped that. Landry did a great job trying, but it might be years before we ever see a game changer like 21. Would have been a great decade with Landry and Taylor but before it even started, it's time to move on. Next year we need to get a stud Defensive Tackle. I've never understood why we never go after any 350 guys. At the very least teams can't run straight downhill on them...

Agree on both points. Santana quit on that route. Looked to me like he thought the ball wasn't coming his way, slowed to a jog, then picked it up when he realized it was in the air. He has a bad habit of this "Randy Moss Syndrome" from time to time. In the NFL baby, you play hard until the whistle blows. EVERY snap. Period. If you can't do that then maybe somebody else comes in who can.

RE: ST. I saw LL get flattened and spent the next ten minutes reminiscing about big hits from our boy in the past. He was sorely missed last night. Jacobs doesn't intimidate anybody with Sean in the lineup. What DOES happen is this: he breaks into the 2nd level, ST absolutely punishes him, Ronnie Lott style, the RB stops immediately -- and the next time he looks to hit a seam and turn it upfield he's got eyes on the side and in the back of his head looking for #21.

<sigh> Oh well. Not to be...

VetSkinsFan wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

floridaskinsfan wrote:I like the optimism of most of the post but..

don't know if I'll ever know why Santana slowed up at the ten and then scrambled only to watch it end up on the ground. He had the step, and the pass was EXACTLY where it needed to be, 65 yards away.

tana probably thought the play was over or had been broken up because he slowed down but I think he would have ran out of the back of the end zone if he would have kept going at full speed the entire time.

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If Moss slowed down, then sped up again, and arrived at the ball, then that means the ball was underthrown. If he was full speed the whole time, he would have been further down the field, therefore outrunning the pass.

Yah the ball was underthrown I thought, Tana could've done a better job at selling it, but the DB was tracking the ball not the WR. It was still good that JC attempted that deep pass though, I hope there will be more attempts next game.

The presser I just watched said that Moss thought JC was sacked already. I hope giving up on plays isn't becoming a habit on Moss' part.

How is that giving up on a play? He thought the play was over.

From peewee fotball on up, if you were a player you were always told, play until the dang whistle blows. You don't stop midstride coz you thought the play is over, that's a huge no no

CanesSkins26 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

floridaskinsfan wrote:I like the optimism of most of the post but..

don't know if I'll ever know why Santana slowed up at the ten and then scrambled only to watch it end up on the ground. He had the step, and the pass was EXACTLY where it needed to be, 65 yards away.

tana probably thought the play was over or had been broken up because he slowed down but I think he would have ran out of the back of the end zone if he would have kept going at full speed the entire time.

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If Moss slowed down, then sped up again, and arrived at the ball, then that means the ball was underthrown. If he was full speed the whole time, he would have been further down the field, therefore outrunning the pass.

Yah the ball was underthrown I thought, Tana could've done a better job at selling it, but the DB was tracking the ball not the WR. It was still good that JC attempted that deep pass though, I hope there will be more attempts next game.

The presser I just watched said that Moss thought JC was sacked already. I hope giving up on plays isn't becoming a habit on Moss' part.

How is that giving up on a play? He thought the play was over.

I think it's been mentioned a few times here... you play until you KNOW the play is over....and I think the whistle dictates that.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

floridaskinsfan wrote:I like the optimism of most of the post but..

don't know if I'll ever know why Santana slowed up at the ten and then scrambled only to watch it end up on the ground. He had the step, and the pass was EXACTLY where it needed to be, 65 yards away.

tana probably thought the play was over or had been broken up because he slowed down but I think he would have ran out of the back of the end zone if he would have kept going at full speed the entire time.

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If Moss slowed down, then sped up again, and arrived at the ball, then that means the ball was underthrown. If he was full speed the whole time, he would have been further down the field, therefore outrunning the pass.

Yah the ball was underthrown I thought, Tana could've done a better job at selling it, but the DB was tracking the ball not the WR. It was still good that JC attempted that deep pass though, I hope there will be more attempts next game.

The presser I just watched said that Moss thought JC was sacked already. I hope giving up on plays isn't becoming a habit on Moss' part.

How is that giving up on a play? He thought the play was over.

I think it's been mentioned a few times here... you play until you KNOW the play is over....and I think the whistle dictates that.

Right. But there is a difference in saying that a player gave up, and in the process implying that he doesn't play hard or care, and saying that a player incorrectly thought that a play was over. You stated that you hope that giving up on plays is not becoming a habit for Moss. That's a rather ridiculous statement because Moss plays as hard as anybody on this team.

This isn't the first time Tana thought the play is over, last year there were a few incidents also. There is no question he plays hard, but does he play hard on every down, or is he quick to think that JC isn't gonna throw to him, or that JC has been sacked. I've seen WR's come back from downfield coz they see that their QB is in trouble, they either make themselves available to recieve or prepare to block.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

floridaskinsfan wrote:I like the optimism of most of the post but..

don't know if I'll ever know why Santana slowed up at the ten and then scrambled only to watch it end up on the ground. He had the step, and the pass was EXACTLY where it needed to be, 65 yards away.

tana probably thought the play was over or had been broken up because he slowed down but I think he would have ran out of the back of the end zone if he would have kept going at full speed the entire time.

.


If Moss slowed down, then sped up again, and arrived at the ball, then that means the ball was underthrown. If he was full speed the whole time, he would have been further down the field, therefore outrunning the pass.

Yah the ball was underthrown I thought, Tana could've done a better job at selling it, but the DB was tracking the ball not the WR. It was still good that JC attempted that deep pass though, I hope there will be more attempts next game.

The presser I just watched said that Moss thought JC was sacked already. I hope giving up on plays isn't becoming a habit on Moss' part.

How is that giving up on a play? He thought the play was over.

I think it's been mentioned a few times here... you play until you KNOW the play is over....and I think the whistle dictates that.

Right. But there is a difference in saying that a player gave up, and in the process implying that he doesn't play hard or care, and saying that a player incorrectly thought that a play was over. You stated that you hope that giving up on plays is not becoming a habit for Moss. That's a rather ridiculous statement because Moss plays as hard as anybody on this team.

As a veteran, he KNOWS that the whistle is the thing that stops the play. Whether he incorrectly thought or however you like to sugar coat it, the fact of the matter is that the play wasn't over, and he quit his route. How much simpler does it have to be?

i hae faith that zorn will put more emphasis on the no huddle/2 minute offense this week in camp.remember though,joe gibbs LOST his first 5 games as head coach in 1980.