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Brandon Lloyd looking good for the Bears
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:27 am
by skinsrule84
I've been keeping tabs on him this preseason and his stat's are not that bad. He's actually catching passes! He had a pretty nice grab against the Seahawks the other day where he showed some flashes of his 49er days. I think Lloyd might have a pretty good year this year, he's playing in his home town and a clean slate with his new coach. I think he's gonna show us what he really had in his arsenal this year.
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:16 pm
by JansenFan
Lot easier to catch passes when they're thrown to you.
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:22 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Just add him to the list of player that were misused under the last regime.
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:52 pm
by Irn-Bru
Archuleta looked good there initially, too. . .but then he started getting smoked routinely.
Maybe Lloyd will make it in Chicago, but part of my has to wonder: how good is he going to be with Grossman / Orton at the helm?
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:38 pm
by SkinsFreak
Well, he may just be realizing that this could be his last chance in Chicago.
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:00 pm
by VetSkinsFan
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Just add him to the list of player that were misused under the last regime.
Yeah, he never gave up on plays for the skins....
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:40 pm
by BearSkins
He made a couple of stellar catches in the 2min drill against the Seahawks. I certainly had my eyes opened anyway given all I had read about him on here. Perhaps he will get on well with the Bears since OC Ron Turner was his college coach?
On the downside, the Beras just announced Kyle Orton as their starting QB. Uh oh. Even WORSE than Rex. he can't throw downfield, he can barely throw infield and with a porous O-Line he's gonna be on IR in 2 weeks anyway.
Loooooong season ahead.
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:01 pm
by GSPODS
BearSkins wrote:He made a couple of stellar catches in the 2min drill against the Seahawks. I certainly had my eyes opened anyway given all I had read about him on here. Perhaps he will get on well with the Bears since OC Ron Turner was his college coach?
On the downside, the Beras just announced Kyle Orton as their starting QB. Uh oh. Even WORSE than Rex. he can't throw downfield, he can barely throw infield and with a porous O-Line he's gonna be on IR in 2 weeks anyway.
Loooooong season ahead.
I feel your pain. The Redskins have a long season ahead, too.
It's just that none of these "homers" will admit it until it actually happens.
Holding out false hope for a false hero, or false heroes, I guess.
The Redskins will be mediocre to downright awful this season, right along with the Bears. And I'll still be watching. A bad season of football is better than a good 20 weeks of almost anything else. It's not the losses that will bother me. It's the stupid comments and lame excuses on message boards like this one. I'm sure you've seen plenty of the same for the Bears. On this board, the stupid comments and lame excuses have already started, and there are still two preseason games to play. And Redskins fans are mostly positive about the upcoming season. I can only imagine what Bears message boards look like, given they didn't do much to improve.
“To come to a decision like that, we’ve taken a lot of things into consideration—last year, how we finished the season, OTAs, training camp, preseason games,” Smith said. “In the end it comes down to a gut feeling that you have, and I feel good about Kyle leading our team.”
Bears fans have a gut feeling, too, Lovie. It's called acid reflux.
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:49 pm
by VetSkinsFan
GSPODS wrote:BearSkins wrote:He made a couple of stellar catches in the 2min drill against the Seahawks. I certainly had my eyes opened anyway given all I had read about him on here. Perhaps he will get on well with the Bears since OC Ron Turner was his college coach?
On the downside, the Beras just announced Kyle Orton as their starting QB. Uh oh. Even WORSE than Rex. he can't throw downfield, he can barely throw infield and with a porous O-Line he's gonna be on IR in 2 weeks anyway.
Loooooong season ahead.
I feel your pain. The Redskins have a long season ahead, too.
It's just that none of these "homers" will admit it until it actually happens.
Holding out false hope for a false hero, or false heroes, I guess.
The Redskins will be mediocre to downright awful this season, right along with the Bears. And I'll still be watching. A bad season of football is better than a good 20 weeks of almost anything else. It's not the losses that will bother me. It's the stupid comments and lame excuses on message boards like this one. I'm sure you've seen plenty of the same for the Bears. On this board, the stupid comments and lame excuses have already started, and there are still two preseason games to play. And Redskins fans are mostly positive about the upcoming season. I can only imagine what Bears message boards look like, given they didn't do much to improve.
“To come to a decision like that, we’ve taken a lot of things into consideration—last year, how we finished the season, OTAs, training camp, preseason games,” Smith said. “In the end it comes down to a gut feeling that you have, and I feel good about Kyle leading our team.”
Bears fans have a gut feeling, too, Lovie. It's called acid reflux.
Whatever dude. So far the skins have shown solid fundementals. The D-line has been upgraded. O-Line is healthy again. JC has been showing decent fundementals and I think he'll be decent or better this year in addition to the solid running game. Where exactly is the deficiency coming from?
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:50 pm
by 1niksder
GSPODS wrote:
I feel your pain. The Redskins have a long season ahead, too.
It's just that none of these "homers" will admit it until it actually happens.
I'll admit it might be a long season but to say definitely that it will be would only add to the stupid comments that have been added to this thread in the last half hour or so. In fact I'm hoping for a long season, one that will last until February.
GSPODS wrote:Holding out false hope for a false hero, or false heroes, I guess.
The Redskins will be mediocre to downright awful this season, right along with the Bears. And I'll still be watching.
Why watch? You seem to know what's going to happen already. Why not go out and be productive?
GSPODS wrote: It's not the losses that will bother me. It's the stupid comments and lame excuses on message boards like this one. I'm sure you've seen plenty of the same for the Bears. On this board, the stupid comments and lame excuses have already started, and there are still two preseason games to play. And Redskins fans are mostly positive about the upcoming season. I can only imagine what Bears message boards look like, given they didn't do much to improve.
That's the problem with message boards, some blowhard signs up and cranks out utter non-sense until they get banned. On this board we don't really mine the emptiness of post made on the site as long as they are within the rules. Most members here ARE pretty positive at this point, more importantly most of our members know anybody cranking out over 4500 post in less than a year really doesn't have much to say but they have nothing better to do.
At any rate hope BLloyd works out for you guys, but I have a gut feeling...
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:55 pm
by VetSkinsFan
I've always said Lloyd didn't necessarily suck, but he just sucked for us. He's young enough where he can still get the right mentorship and produce.
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:16 pm
by yupchagee
GSPODS wrote:BearSkins wrote:He made a couple of stellar catches in the 2min drill against the Seahawks. I certainly had my eyes opened anyway given all I had read about him on here. Perhaps he will get on well with the Bears since OC Ron Turner was his college coach?
On the downside, the Beras just announced Kyle Orton as their starting QB. Uh oh. Even WORSE than Rex. he can't throw downfield, he can barely throw infield and with a porous O-Line he's gonna be on IR in 2 weeks anyway.
Loooooong season ahead.
I feel your pain. The Redskins have a long season ahead, too.
It's just that none of these "homers" will admit it until it actually happens.
Holding out false hope for a false hero, or false heroes, I guess.
The Redskins will be mediocre to downright awful this season, right along with the Bears. And I'll still be watching. A bad season of football is better than a good 20 weeks of almost anything else. It's not the losses that will bother me. It's the stupid comments and lame excuses on message boards like this one. I'm sure you've seen plenty of the same for the Bears. On this board, the stupid comments and lame excuses have already started, and there are still two preseason games to play. And Redskins fans are mostly positive about the upcoming season. I can only imagine what Bears message boards look like, given they didn't do much to improve.
“To come to a decision like that, we’ve taken a lot of things into consideration—last year, how we finished the season, OTAs, training camp, preseason games,” Smith said. “In the end it comes down to a gut feeling that you have, and I feel good about Kyle leading our team.”
Bears fans have a gut feeling, too, Lovie. It's called acid reflux.
We have every reason to be optimistic, as do all other fans. Right now everyone is undefeated.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:03 am
by PulpExposure
1niksder wrote:At any rate hope BLloyd works out for you guys, but I have a gut feeling...
On this note, just remember that Taylor Jacobs always looked
great in practice.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:05 am
by El Mexican
[quote="GSPODS"][quote="BearSkins"]He made a couple of stellar catches in the 2min drill against the Seahawks. I certainly had my eyes opened anyway given all I had read about him on here. Perhaps he will get on well with the Bears since OC Ron Turner was his college coach?
On the downside, the Beras just announced Kyle Orton as their starting QB. Uh oh. Even WORSE than Rex. he can't throw downfield, he can barely throw infield and with a porous O-Line he's gonna be on IR in 2 weeks anyway.
Loooooong season ahead.[/quote]
I feel your pain. The Redskins have a long season ahead, too.
It's just that none of these "homers" will admit it until it actually happens.
Holding out false hope for a false hero, or false heroes, I guess.
The Redskins will be mediocre to downright awful this season, right along with the Bears. And I'll still be watching. A bad season of football is better than a good 20 weeks of almost anything else. It's not the losses that will bother me. It's the stupid comments and lame excuses on message boards like this one. I'm sure you've seen plenty of the same for the Bears. On this board, the stupid comments and lame excuses have already started, and there are still two preseason games to play. And Redskins fans are mostly positive about the upcoming season. I can only imagine what Bears message boards look like, given they didn't do much to improve.
[quote]“To come to a decision like that, we’ve taken a lot of things into consideration—last year, how we finished the season, OTAs, training camp, preseason games,” Smith said. “In the end it comes down to a gut feeling that you have, and I feel good about Kyle leading our team.”[/quote]
Bears fans have a gut feeling, too, Lovie. It's called acid reflux.[/quote]
Can you actually SEE the future, GSPODS????
Being a Skin fan most be really boring for you.
One thing is being intuitive, have good football knowledge and a reasonable historical references. But another thing is complete pessismism.
Can´t you give these guys a chance?
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:32 pm
by MDSKINSFAN
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Just add him to the list of player that were misused under the last regime.
good point. he is talented and we couldve found some use for him.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:50 pm
by BossHog
GSPODS wrote:I feel your pain. The Redskins have a long season ahead, too.
It's just that none of these "homers" will admit it until it actually happens.
Holding out false hope for a false hero, or false heroes, I guess.
The Redskins will be mediocre to downright awful this season, right along with the Bears. And I'll still be watching. A bad season of football is better than a good 20 weeks of almost anything else. It's not the losses that will bother me. It's the stupid comments and lame excuses on message boards like this one. I'm sure you've seen plenty of the same for the Bears. On this board, the stupid comments and lame excuses have already started, and there are still two preseason games to play. And Redskins fans are mostly positive about the upcoming season. I can only imagine what Bears message boards look like, given they didn't do much to improve.
Just out of curiosity, how can you need an 'excuse' when there hasn't yet been anything at stake?
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:09 pm
by GSPODS
BossHog wrote:GSPODS wrote:I feel your pain. The Redskins have a long season ahead, too.
It's just that none of these "homers" will admit it until it actually happens.
Holding out false hope for a false hero, or false heroes, I guess.
The Redskins will be mediocre to downright awful this season, right along with the Bears. And I'll still be watching. A bad season of football is better than a good 20 weeks of almost anything else. It's not the losses that will bother me. It's the stupid comments and lame excuses on message boards like this one. I'm sure you've seen plenty of the same for the Bears. On this board, the stupid comments and lame excuses have already started, and there are still two preseason games to play. And Redskins fans are mostly positive about the upcoming season. I can only imagine what Bears message boards look like, given they didn't do much to improve.
Just out of curiosity, how can you need an 'excuse' when there hasn't yet been anything at stake?
You'd have to ask the people making them. I wouldn't know. I don't make a habit of reading Chicago Bears message boards.
If your team had a choice of Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman at QB, I'd say that is a valid reason to be concerned, not an excuse. If your team signed Brandon Lloyd to catch deep passes from the aforementioned QB's, that might also be a legitimate reason for concern, since all of their deep passes go to the other team, and since Bernard Berrian is gone. Devin Hester and Marcus Monk scare me more than Marty Booker and Brandon Lloyd. Which two are more likely to be the starting receivers? Another reason for concern? It's tough to make excuses when you have so many valid reasons to be concerned.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:36 pm
by BossHog
Uhh... you said on THIS board.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:28 pm
by BearSkins
GSPODS wrote:[
If your team had a choice of Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman at QB, I'd say that is a valid reason to be concerned, not an excuse. If your team signed Brandon Lloyd to catch deep passes from the aforementioned QB's, that might also be a legitimate reason for concern, since all of their deep passes go to the other team, and since Bernard Berrian is gone.
Cunningly (
), the Bears have taken that deep pass threat away by making Orton the starter. Now our 'deep' passes won't go more than 12 yards. Ron Turner is also installing out-of-bounds routes for our WR's to run.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:35 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
BearSkins wrote:GSPODS wrote:[
If your team had a choice of Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman at QB, I'd say that is a valid reason to be concerned, not an excuse. If your team signed Brandon Lloyd to catch deep passes from the aforementioned QB's, that might also be a legitimate reason for concern, since all of their deep passes go to the other team, and since Bernard Berrian is gone.
Cunningly (
), the Bears have taken that deep pass threat away by making Orton the starter. Now our 'deep' passes won't go more than 12 yards. Ron Turner is also installing out-of-bounds routes for our WR's to run.
No problem, Lloyd can't catch short passes either and that way no one needs to run so much.
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:56 am
by GSPODS
BossHog wrote:Uhh... you said on THIS board.
BossHog wrote:Uhh... you said on THIS board.
Are you asking me to address a Redskins related question in this thread?
I'll address the question insofar as it applies to the post.
In my opinion, I think
You'd have to ask the people making those types of posts on this board.
I'd start with the "Devin Thomas is unimpressive so far" thread and go from there. There's the "Jason Taylor isn't sacking anyone" thread. Maybe try the "Rocky McIntosh and Carlos Rogers were unimpressive in their returns" post or the Horton and Moore are both better than Reed Doughty comments, or the soon to be posted "LaRon Landry is still out for this meaningless preseason game but 'we' are screwed" thread. I won't even discuss the Colt Brennan is more impressive than Jason Campbell comments. Then there is the "Blame the Conditioning coaches for the hamstring injuries" thread. And the "Blame Gibbs for not using anyone correctly" thread. And the Zorn will get more out of mediocre talent than Joe Gibbs did posts. There are more than enough stupid comments and lame excuses going around. Those are just the ones I can recall reading recently, without bothering to look them up.
Why did I bring that up in this thread? Because those are probably nothing compared with the comments being made on Bears message boards. I don't actually know because I refuse to register with a message board I won't visit regularly. A somewhat educated guess tells me that Bears fans aren't exactly thrilled about the Bears not obtaining a better quarterback. And I doubt Brandon Lloyd is being dubbed the second coming of Bernard Berrian or anyone else of note.
Bears fans have valid reasons to be worried about the season. The Bears didn't fix most of their problems. Redskins fans older than 35 should know what to expect this season. The Redskins didn't fix their problems either. People ask me, "Why be pessimistic?" I say, I am being realistic, and why set oneself up for disappointment? Why have unrealistic expectations of a first year head coach with a new team, a different coaching staff, and many of the same issues the team had last season. Several parallels can be drawn with the Bears. Shall we lie to ourselves and say that the Bears will make the playoffs? I should say not. The only thing that makes the Redskins any different around here is that this is a Redskins message board. Far too many people are drinking the trash can punch and wearing the rose-colored glasses. The other half are the ones making the idiotic comments and the lame-brained excuses. There are a very small number of people in the middle who haven't jumped on the bandwagon or off of the not yet sinking ship because it is still the preseason.
I've tied the post comments together as much as I can for one sitting.
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:06 am
by VetSkinsFan
"Why be pessimistic?" I say, I am being realistic, and why set oneself up for disappointment? Why have unrealistic expectations of a first year head coach with a new team, a different coaching staff, and many of the same issues the team had last season. Several parallels can be drawn with the Bears. Shall we lie to ourselves and say that the Bears will make the playoffs? I should say not. The only thing that makes the Redskins any different around here is that this is a Redskins message board. Far too many people are drinking the trash can punch and wearing the rose-colored glasses. The other half are the ones making the idiotic comments and the lame-brained excuses. There are a very small number of people in the middle who haven't jumped on the bandwagon or off of the not yet sinking ship because it is still the preseason.
There's nothing wrong with being optimistic with a new HC who has shown good so far. Granted it's the pre-season, but where exactly is the disconnect? The running game is the same, which it was respectable at least. The first team has shown solid fundementals and we seem to have depth at positions we lacked last year(not all positions, but some). We've upgraded the D-Line with JT. We have our same LB corps (which was solid as a whole). We have a decent secondary when healthly (which they should be by week1). I don't see why a PoV, with those factors, could even be mistconstrued between "pessimistic" and "realistic." I think
some people actually care less about debatable points about our beloved Redskins and care more about the debate.
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:38 am
by GSPODS
VetSkinsFan wrote:
There's nothing wrong with being optimistic with a new HC who has shown good so far. Granted it's the pre-season, but where exactly is the disconnect? The running game is the same, which it was respectable at least. The first team has shown solid fundementals and we seem to have depth at positions we lacked last year(not all positions, but some). We've upgraded the D-Line with JT. We have our same LB corps (which was solid as a whole). We have a decent secondary when healthly (which they should be by week1). I don't see why a PoV, with those factors, could even be mistconstrued between "pessimistic" and "realistic." I think some people actually care less about debatable points about our beloved Redskins and care more about the debate.
Teams in general, and specifically the Washington Redskins, do not have a track record of success when changing head coaches. First year head coaches are generally awful. The Redskins haven't had many successful coaches, let alone first year coaches. Below is the list of Redskins head coaches who had at least a .500 record in their first season.
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Years Coach Record 1st Year
2001 Marty Schottenheimer 8-8-0 8*8*0
1981-1992 Joe Gibbs 140-65-0 8*8*0
1978-1980 Jack Pardee 24-24-0 8*8*0
1971-1977 George Allen 69-35-1 9*4*1
1969 Vince Lombardi 7-5-2 7*5*2
1966-1968 Otto Graham 17-22-3 7*7*0
1951 Dick Todd 5-4-0 5*4*0
1949 John Welchel 3-3-1 3*3*1
1946-1948 Glen (Turk) Edwards 16-18-1 5*5*1
1944-1945 Dudley DeGroot 14-6-1 6*3*1
1943 Arthur (Dutch) Bergman 7-4-1 6*3*1
1936-1942 Ray Flaherty 56-23-3 7*5*0
1933-1934 William (Lone Star) Dietz 11-11-2 5*5*2
1932 Lud Wray 4-4-2
Totals: 88 Wins, 72 Losses, 11 Ties
Winning Percentage: 0.550
16 Game Season X 55% Winning Percentage = 8.8 Wins Average
Does anyone think a 9-7 record will make the playoffs?
George Allen's 9-4-1 first season was the Redskins best ever.
The next best first year record was 6-3-1 in 1944 and 1945.
The two best Redskins coaches not named George Allen went 7-5-0 (Flaherty) and 8-8-0 (Gibbs).
Optimism is fine and good, but there is absolutely a disconnect with reality when someone, like myself for instance, says the Redskins will be mediocre this season, and everyone jumps up my back for it.
I know everyone thinks I pull this stuff out of my butt. I don't. I just don't have the patience to type out this type of explanation for every post.
Not to mention, Redskins fans should know Redskins coaching history.
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:40 am
by KazooSkinsFan
GSPODS wrote:You'd have to ask the people making those types of posts on this board.
I'd start with the "Devin Thomas is unimpressive so far" thread and go from there. There's the "Jason Taylor isn't sacking anyone" thread. Maybe try the "Rocky McIntosh and Carlos Rogers were unimpressive in their returns" post or the Horton and Moore are both better than Reed Doughty comments, or the soon to be posted "LaRon Landry is still out for this meaningless preseason game but 'we' are screwed" thread. I won't even discuss the Colt Brennan is more impressive than Jason Campbell comments. Then there is the "Blame the Conditioning coaches for the hamstring injuries" thread. And the "Blame Gibbs for not using anyone correctly" thread. And the Zorn will get more out of mediocre talent than Joe Gibbs did posts. There are more than enough stupid comments and lame excuses going around. Those are just the ones I can recall reading recently, without bothering to look them up.
Just trying to figure out your logic. I thought the question was in your reference to your claim "excuses" are being made and your response is a list of forums where they were "ripping" Redskins. I'm not getting the connection there. Here's the post:
GSPODS wrote:...It's the stupid comments and lame excuses on message boards like this one...
BossHog wrote:Just out of curiosity, how can you need an 'excuse' when there hasn't yet been anything at stake?
BossHog wrote:Uhh... you said on THIS board.
I don't see where you've addressed the question. Just trying to help focus you there, big guy.
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:49 am
by PulpExposure
GSPODS wrote:Does anyone think a 9-7 record will make the playoffs?
Sure. Why not? Recent NFC history overwhelmingly shows that 9-7 is good enough to make the playoffs.
Two 9-7 teams made the playoffs last year in the NFC. Including us.
Two 9-7 teams made it into the playoffs in 2006 in the NFC.
In 2004, a 9-7 team and TWO 8-8 teams made it into the playoffs in the NFC.
I know everyone thinks I pull this stuff out of my butt. I don't.
There's a reason why everyone thinks things, GSPODS.