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How will the Redskins do game-by-game this season? What will be their final record? My take at:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/ ... season-go/

What's your take?

While trying to guess the end of year won/loss record has some interest, it is a road that is followed with many potholes. Your guess is probably as good as anyones for now.

Too many "ifs". I wouldn't be surprised at anything between 5-11 and 12-4. If you had to pin me down I guess I'd go with 10-6.

I'm guessing 10-6. No way will I try to guess game by game.

0-16

GSPODS wrote:0-16

we'll win a couple. 6-10

16-0. Every game we play I'll think we're going to win that week, if you add it up this's our record!

8-8

Depends on how the team starts the year, if they get out the gate early and win those three inter-divisional games and still have them coming to Fed-Ex late in the year when the Skins are always at full throttle it could be a good year for them.

That being said they made the playoffs last year so I'm looking for a Home playoff game this year.

They didn't really lose anyone and the staff is a lot of guys that were here the last four years. No reason to take a step back. New scheme should be nothing new for JC.


Home Playoff game - don't care what the record will be

12-4 and Superbowl champs

No ifs, buts or maybes

Many look at this like "New coach, they will suck".

But this is how I see it. The last 4 years, our problems

1. Too conservative.
2. Not a great passing game.
3. Never made halftime adjustments
4. Injuries.

Now, with most of the same players and coaches. What does Zorn bring to the table.

1. Improved passing game
2. He's not going to play too conservative.
3. He's always looking for the holes in the D and he will make halftime adjustments.

With those "improvements" Plus the fact that our running game is going to stay the same... I'm looking for the Skins to play better this year than last.

What does that mean for our record.

Well, I'm not saying we will be 16-0, just the team will play better.

If you could take our close games the last two years, and have Zorn call the plays in the fourth quarter, I believe we would have won more games.

Anything less than 8-8 would be a big disappointment for me.

With the better passing game alone, we should be able to score more points, than last. I don't think Zorn will be happy with our QB only throwing for 10 TDs. He is really going to push JC this year, so we are going to score more.

The two main things I'm going to be watching out for this year. Would be JC's Ints. He's going to be passing down field more, I think that's the big thing that could hurt us is the INTs. If he keeps those low, I think we will be ok. And the other thing is, will our D be too predictable?

Those are my main two concerns.

But like 1niksder said. The goal should be to get home field in the playoffs. That would improve from last year. And help us to our main goal.

13-3 winning the Division. Also getting home field advantage through the playoffs.

7-9

19-0 We do what the Patriots couldn't do.

Now, with most of the same players and coaches. What does Zorn bring to the table.

1. Improved passing game
2. He's not going to play too conservative.
3. He's always looking for the holes in the D and he will make halftime adjustments.

You're hoping and assuming that this is the case. But we really have no idea. Yes, so far the signs point to an improved passing game and Zorn in his limited time as coach has been impressive. However, being an NFL head coach is very hard and to just assume that he is going to be more successful at calling plays and making adjustments than a Hall of Fame coach is baseless and presumptuous. Lets wait until Zorn actually has to make a tough call during a critical series in the fourth quarter. Lets see how he reacts to regular season injuries, a losing streak, media pressure when things go poorly, drama with players, etc.

Before people get carried away lets not forget that Zorn has never even been an NFL coordinator before. There is most certainly going to be a learning curve and struggles during this first season for Zorn. It's not a knock on him, it happens to every first time coach.

CanesSkins26 wrote: There is most certainly going to be a learning curve and struggles during this first season for Zorn. It's not a knock on him, it happens to every first time coach.

You mean similar to that 0-5 learning curve Joe Gibbs went through?
It seems like quite a few members have either forgotten that or are too young to have see it firsthand.

GSPODS wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote: There is most certainly going to be a learning curve and struggles during this first season for Zorn. It's not a knock on him, it happens to every first time coach.

You mean similar to that 0-5 learning curve Joe Gibbs went through?
It seems like quite a few members have either forgotten that or are too young to have see it firsthand.

I know what you guys are saying, I hope you didn't think I was knocking on Gibbs. I wasn't, just stating the differences.

Not saying a fist time coach can make better adjustments than a HOF coach. Just saying any adjustments are better than none.

And you can't compair Zorn to guys who never coached in the NFL before. Unlike, many fist time coaches, he has been QB coaching the 8 years in the NFL. So he knows what an offence can do in todays NFL(unlike Gibbs II first year back). I'm sure there is a learning curve, some things Zorn wants to try that Holmgrom didn't do. But other than those things, he already knows things that do work.

It's not like its Spurriur we are talking about here, Zorn knows the roles, he knows what the Seahawks have been doing. Which I would call the sucessfull in todays NFL. He knows things they've done that don't work. He's just applying these things to this team and this teams players.

Don't get me wong, I'm not blinded to the fact he has not been a head coach before. But he has been prepairing for this for years. And he knows what it takes to be a dominate NFC team today. He still has a learning curve, just saying its not as bad as some other first time coaches. And knowing a passing game, a passing game that works, will help our team.

BnGhog wrote:

GSPODS wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote: There is most certainly going to be a learning curve and struggles during this first season for Zorn. It's not a knock on him, it happens to every first time coach.

You mean similar to that 0-5 learning curve Joe Gibbs went through?
It seems like quite a few members have either forgotten that or are too young to have see it firsthand.

I know what you guys are saying, I hope you didn't think I was knocking on Gibbs. I wasn't, just stating the differences.

Not saying a fist time coach can make better adjustments than a HOF coach. Just saying any adjustments are better than none.

And you can't compair Zorn to guys who never coached in the NFL before. Unlike, many fist time coaches, he has been QB coaching the 8 years in the NFL. So he knows what an offence can do in todays NFL(unlike Gibbs II first year back). I'm sure there is a learning curve, some things Zorn wants to try that Holmgrom didn't do. But other than those things, he already knows things that do work.

It's not like its Spurriur we are talking about here, Zorn knows the roles, he knows what the Seahawks have been doing. Which I would call the sucessfull in todays NFL. He knows things they've done that don't work. He's just applying these things to this team and this teams players.

Don't get me wong, I'm not blinded to the fact he has not been a head coach before. But he has been prepairing for this for years. And he knows what it takes to be a dominate NFC team today. He still has a learning curve, just saying its not as bad as some other first time coaches. And knowing a passing game, a passing game that works, will help our team.

I know it was accidental but that type-o in that location is hilarious.
Especially since the Redskins have had a couple of those in the recent past.

As far as Jim Zorn is concerned, his QB is the one that knocked the Redskins out of the playoffs, not once, but twice in recent history, so I think he has less of a learning curve offensively. So did Joe Gibbs. Defensively, I think Zorn is leaving 100% to Greg Blache, who also has a learning curve, albeit a much smaller one.

I think it would be unfair of us to expect any more from Jim Zorn than we got from any of the other Redskins head coaches in their first year. Gibbs had an awful first season, which was why he begged John Riggins out of retirement. If Zorn has an awful first season, maybe he can beg Art Monk out of retirement. Even at 50, Monk is still the prototypical receiver for the WCO.

As long as Zorn and Company understand the importance of kicking Dallas' collective asses, everything else will fall into place over time.

I think Greg Blache will be a good defensive coordinator. His defense at Chicago were always above average except for 2001 when they set records, and here with the Redskins he has better players than he did for any of those teams except maybe 2001. Plus, most importantly, no defense with London Fletcher will be that bad; he is like a good point guard, he makes everyone around him better.

As far the team, I am saying 9-7. I think the team's learning curve will be slow, but if we take this nucleus as well as a few younger players into next year, I say big things can happen.