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Gibbs4Life wrote:I think this Jason Taylor move more than anything should put to rest the bashing of our owner for mis-managing our team. Taylor was not sought after as a "big-name" to help put fans in the seats or get media attention, the fact that he does both of those things is a bonus but the real reason Jason Taylor is a Redskin is I believe the same reason every other free agent has been wooed wined and dined by the danny...its because Snyder cares about the success of this team and wants badly to see a winning football team, how many owner would shell out that kind of dough on such short notice to fill a void? 1 maybe 2? I think we are lucky to have an owner who's willing to spend and willing to do whatever it takes, everyone makes mistakes and deion and bruce smith and jeff george were mistakes ok, but in the grand scheme danny has more than made up for those moves. I honestly can't think of any other owner I'd have own this team besides Jack Kent of course and Joe Gibbs obviously.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:I think this Jason Taylor move more than anything should put to rest the bashing of our owner for mis-managing our team. Taylor was not sought after as a "big-name" to help put fans in the seats or get media attention, the fact that he does both of those things is a bonus but the real reason Jason Taylor is a Redskin is I believe the same reason every other free agent has been wooed wined and dined by the danny...its because Snyder cares about the success of this team and wants badly to see a winning football team, how many owner would shell out that kind of dough on such short notice to fill a void? 1 maybe 2? I think we are lucky to have an owner who's willing to spend and willing to do whatever it takes, everyone makes mistakes and deion and bruce smith and jeff george were mistakes ok, but in the grand scheme danny has more than made up for those moves. I honestly can't think of any other owner I'd have own this team besides Jack Kent of course and Joe Gibbs obviously.

old-timer wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:I think this Jason Taylor move more than anything should put to rest the bashing of our owner for mis-managing our team. Taylor was not sought after as a "big-name" to help put fans in the seats or get media attention, the fact that he does both of those things is a bonus but the real reason Jason Taylor is a Redskin is I believe the same reason every other free agent has been wooed wined and dined by the danny...its because Snyder cares about the success of this team and wants badly to see a winning football team, how many owner would shell out that kind of dough on such short notice to fill a void? 1 maybe 2? I think we are lucky to have an owner who's willing to spend and willing to do whatever it takes, everyone makes mistakes and deion and bruce smith and jeff george were mistakes ok, but in the grand scheme danny has more than made up for those moves. I honestly can't think of any other owner I'd have own this team besides Jack Kent of course and Joe Gibbs obviously.

I think that actually IS The Danny. Grammar and punctuation seems about right.

Seriously, though, no-one ever faulted The Danny's commitment to the team, or his willingness to spend money. What I question is his competence to run the day to day operations of a professional football team, and not treat this team as his personal toy, the personal plaything of an amateur owner and his well-paid flunkies. The sad fact is that if he really WAS willing to do what was best for the team, he would fire Cerrato immediately and hire someone like Beathard to run the team from A to Z, just like Cooke did. Then he could retire to the owner's box where he belongs. Unfortunately, he apparently has neither the wisdom nor the temperament to do that.

I've heard people say things along the lines of 'well, gee, Danny can learn, after all, managing a professional football team is not rocket science, and we just need to be patient for the next 10 years or more while Danny learns what he's doing.' Unfortunately, they're right; it's not rocket science, it's much harder than that. Rockets don't out-think and out-coach you. Professional football today takes the full-time commitment of professionals, not guys off the street dabbling with things they know no more about than the average fan.

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Secondary_Chaos wrote:

Why do people keep going back to Beathard? We TRIED to get him out of retirement and he said NO. The end of that discussion. Are you locked in a time warp of 2000-2005?

I said 'someone like Beathard'. Not Beathard himself. Beathard is done. I think he was actually 'done' before he quit football. Ryan Leaf, anyone?

Because if you pay any attention to the last few years, I dont think Snyder is "treat[ing] this team as his personal toy, the personal plaything of an amateur owner and his well-paid flunkies."

Actually, the last few years is EXACTLY what I'm basing my opinion on. Throwing away draft picks, ridiculous 3 day interviews of coaches he's known for years, picking totally unqualified coaches based on same ridiculous interviews, attending player workouts, failing to address obvious needs, picking unnecessary players, coaches picking players (not a good idea, IMHO), big name signings of washed up players that didn't work out or were not a good fit, losing good players (Antonio Pierce, etc) - the overall lack of accountability (e.g., always obvious when the owner takes credit for the good picks and all the bad pick seem to be someone else's fault....sound familiar?). All this adds up to exactly what we have - mediocre performance pointing to mediocre management.

I think he has learned a hell of a lot about how to own a football team (not more than you, obviously) over the past 8 years or so. He came into the league as the "big spending dont care do whatever it takes to win NOW" owner, but since he brought back Gibbs to coach, he has learned a lesson or two from The Man himself.

Well, you've got one thing right, at least. It's definitely been OJT for Danny. And no end in sight, apparently.

Cerrato is obviously doing well with his duties. I can't complain about a move they've made in recent seasons.

Cerrato is doing well? Then why is the team so consistently mediocre? Is it all bad luck? Why have the Cowboys become a 13-3 team in the same time we've gone from 9-7 to 9-7? You call this good management?

People are inclined to learn the best way to go about things if they're in it long enough.

Well, I agree, the only problem is, how long will this take with Danny? Twenty years?

And you would have your GM run your entire team? Talk about incompetant.

Anybody see the irony in that last statement?

I'd like my GM to do the GM duties, let my coaches to their jobs and as an owner, I'd do mine.

GMs hire coaches and pick players, and sign them. Coaches coach. Owners look after making money and signing checks. That's the system I'm in favor of. That's all I'm saying. Danny seems to think the first role is for him too.

Just because Danny has a more hands on approach doesn't mean its the wrong approach.

It is when we're mediocre for 10 years.

It IS afterall his team.

old-timer wrote:

Because if you pay any attention to the last few years, I dont think Snyder is "treat[ing] this team as his personal toy, the personal plaything of an amateur owner and his well-paid flunkies."

Actually, the last few years is EXACTLY what I'm basing my opinion on. Throwing away draft picks, ridiculous 3 day interviews of coaches he's known for years, picking totally unqualified coaches based on same ridiculous interviews, attending player workouts, failing to address obvious needs, picking unnecessary players, coaches picking players (not a good idea, IMHO), big name signings of washed up players that didn't work out or were not a good fit, losing good players (Antonio Pierce, etc) - the overall lack of accountability (e.g., always obvious when the owner takes credit for the good picks and all the bad pick seem to be someone else's fault....sound familiar?). All this adds up to exactly what we have - mediocre performance pointing to mediocre management.

Secondary_Chaos wrote:Cerrato is obviously doing well with his duties. I can't complain about a move they've made in recent seasons.

old-timer wrote:Cerrato is doing well? Then why is the team so consistently mediocre? Is it all bad luck? Why have the Cowboys become a 13-3 team in the same time we've gone from 9-7 to 9-7? You call this good management?

Secondary_Chaos wrote:
If I recall correctly, we did make it to the playoffs 2 of the past 3 years. The Cowboys have had better records, but went just as far as we did. Is there something wrong with their management too? You're idea of performing well is obviously winning a Super Bowl, at which rate 31 teams in the NFL are mediocre.

GSPODS wrote:Yes, and the other one cheats to be better than mediocre.

Gibbs4Life wrote:I think this Jason Taylor move more than anything should put to rest the bashing of our owner for mis-managing our team. Taylor was not sought after as a "big-name" to help put fans in the seats or get media attention, the fact that he does both of those things is a bonus but the real reason Jason Taylor is a Redskin is I believe the same reason every other free agent has been wooed wined and dined by the danny...its because Snyder cares about the success of this team and wants badly to see a winning football team, how many owner would shell out that kind of dough on such short notice to fill a void? 1 maybe 2? I think we are lucky to have an owner who's willing to spend and willing to do whatever it takes, everyone makes mistakes and deion and bruce smith and jeff george were mistakes ok, but in the grand scheme danny has more than made up for those moves. I honestly can't think of any other owner I'd have own this team besides Jack Kent of course and Joe Gibbs obviously.

Gnome wrote:Dan Snyder is going to own this team for the rest of our lives or for the major portion of the rest of our lives. He's 43 and will probably live another 45 years with the kind of medical care billionares can afford. And he ain't selling the Skins. If you hate him why root for his team? That makes as much sense as going to eat at a biz where you hate the owner or hate the menu.

Time to stop the Snyder bashing. From where I sit he's built a team with players I really enjoy rooting for, he's hired back to back coaches who are great men we can be proud to call 'coach', he's given us amazing access to the team with a website that broadcasts full press conferences and interviews, even the new blog is fun, and he's put a playoff team on the field twice in the last three years.

Face it. He's a good owner. Right here and now. And if you don't think so why keep rooting for his team? That's no different than buying CD's of a band you can't stand. Dan Snyder is the Redskins. Root for the team you root for him by default.

Don't let the press who have inferiority issues trick you into hating the team you care about - Snyder is the Redskins. I bought into all the Jim Fassel talk earlier in the year and spit venom about Snyder. And you know what - the media was full of it.
My only pickle with the man is that I think he should change the team name. But I'm the only one. So be it.

Face it. He's a good owner.

BossHog wrote:

Gnome wrote:Dan Snyder is going to own this team for the rest of our lives or for the major portion of the rest of our lives. He's 43 and will probably live another 45 years with the kind of medical care billionares can afford. And he ain't selling the Skins. If you hate him why root for his team? That makes as much sense as going to eat at a biz where you hate the owner or hate the menu.

Time to stop the Snyder bashing. From where I sit he's built a team with players I really enjoy rooting for, he's hired back to back coaches who are great men we can be proud to call 'coach', he's given us amazing access to the team with a website that broadcasts full press conferences and interviews, even the new blog is fun, and he's put a playoff team on the field twice in the last three years.

Face it. He's a good owner. Right here and now. And if you don't think so why keep rooting for his team? That's no different than buying CD's of a band you can't stand. Dan Snyder is the Redskins. Root for the team you root for him by default.

Don't let the press who have inferiority issues trick you into hating the team you care about - Snyder is the Redskins. I bought into all the Jim Fassel talk earlier in the year and spit venom about Snyder. And you know what - the media was full of it.
My only pickle with the man is that I think he should change the team name. But I'm the only one. So be it.

Wow, what a completely ridiculous post. It does categorically prove that the propoganda wheel is working very well on some though.

Secondary_Chaos wrote:

BossHog wrote:

Gnome wrote:Dan Snyder is going to own this team for the rest of our lives or for the major portion of the rest of our lives. He's 43 and will probably live another 45 years with the kind of medical care billionares can afford. And he ain't selling the Skins. If you hate him why root for his team? That makes as much sense as going to eat at a biz where you hate the owner or hate the menu.

Time to stop the Snyder bashing. From where I sit he's built a team with players I really enjoy rooting for, he's hired back to back coaches who are great men we can be proud to call 'coach', he's given us amazing access to the team with a website that broadcasts full press conferences and interviews, even the new blog is fun, and he's put a playoff team on the field twice in the last three years.

Face it. He's a good owner. Right here and now. And if you don't think so why keep rooting for his team? That's no different than buying CD's of a band you can't stand. Dan Snyder is the Redskins. Root for the team you root for him by default.

Don't let the press who have inferiority issues trick you into hating the team you care about - Snyder is the Redskins. I bought into all the Jim Fassel talk earlier in the year and spit venom about Snyder. And you know what - the media was full of it.
My only pickle with the man is that I think he should change the team name. But I'm the only one. So be it.

Wow, what a completely ridiculous post. It does categorically prove that the propoganda wheel is working very well on some though.

Im with Gnome on this one. I think its ridiculous how much people hate Snyder, no matter what he does. It just seems odd that you root for the team Snyder has assembled. I think Snyder is doing a much better job than when he first bought the team. I dont get this "hate Snyder no matter what" feeling that a lot of people seem to have. Im not being affected by any propoganda. Just because some people actually like our owner means we are being affected in some way by propoganda? I think its the other way around. The media hates Snyder. Thats why, even with this JT trade, the media thinks he was going after "big names" and being the same old Snyder. The people who dont like Snyder wont like him until he brings another Super Bowl trophy to Redskins Park. You can count on that. Once that happens (and I have the utmost faith it will with Snyder owning the team) then the haters on here (or is it hatters?) are going to praise the team Snyder built. Let them hate. I dont agree that just because you root for the Skins you should be a fan of Snyder, but I do follow the logic. I also dont think they should change their name, but you are entitled to your own opinion. We all root for the Skins, we all have our favorite players on the team, we all get excited each and every season (even more so over these past few). Guess what, this team, those players, that excitement; Snyder is the one who delivered that, like it or not. People dont think they can jump off the Hate Snyder bandwagon. They gotta stick to their guns. So be it. One day those views will change.