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Owners May Opt Out Of CBA On Tuesday

Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:38 am
by GSPODS
Owners may opt out of labor agreement Tuesday

NEW YORK -- NFL owners could opt out of their agreement with the players union next week, leaving open the possibility of a 2010 season without a salary cap.

The labor agreement, according to published reports, is on the agenda for the league meetings in Atlanta on Tuesday.

"If they don't do it next week then it will be soon after that," Gene Upshaw, the executive director of the NFL Players Association, said Friday. "They want to opt out and we don't."

In the agreement signed in March of 2006, both sides were given the right to get out of the deal by Nov. 8, 2008. League officials noted that doesn't mean a decision could not be made earlier.

That contract was due to expire at the end of the 2013 season. If the owners nullify it, a move that has seemed inevitable for a while, it would end after the 2011 season with 2010 being uncapped.

The end of the agreement does not necessarily mean there will be a work stoppage, although Upshaw has predicted that the owners could lock out the players in 2011. But the early opt-out also could lead to earlier talks on a new deal, which the owners feel has leaned too far toward the players -- Upshaw already has had several preliminary meetings, including one recently with Jerry Richardson of Carolina and Pat Bowlen of Denver, two of the owners expected to be involved in the negotiations.

And despite predictions that owners with more cash would corner the market on star players in an uncapped year, there are safeguards against that, notably a provision in the contract, first signed in 1993, that extends the period needed from free agency from four years to six if that happens.

The early termination of the labor contract has been expected for at least the last six months.

Several owners have complained that the current deal, which gives 60 percent of the revenues to the players, has been too one-sided. It was done at the last moment and was the last major act of former commissioner Paul Tagliabue, who managed to put together a coalition of high-revenue, middle-revenue and low-revenue teams to ratify the contract.

Only two low revenue teams, Cincinnati and Buffalo, voted against it.

Since then, however, high-revenue owners, such as New England's Robert Kraft, have also supported negotiating for a new deal. And if a vote is taken, 24 of the 32 teams would have to vote to extend it, something that is highly unlikely to happen.

One problem, league officials note, are rising and unpredictable bond rates, which leave teams like Dallas and the New York Giants and Jets, who are building new stadiums, with rising costs and rising debt on their bonds. The Cowboys' Stadium is scheduled to open next season and host the 2011 Super Bowl and the new facility for the New York teams is scheduled to open in 2010.


Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

Gene Upshaw called NFL owners, who are ready to opt out of the current labor deal, "greedy."

"In their mind, a loss means they didn't make as much [money] as they thought they were going to make," said Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, during a panel discussion at the Sports Lawyers Association annual conference on Saturday.

The NFL owners and players reached the agreement in 2006, but both sides have the option of reopening it by Nov. 8. Upshaw said the owners could notify the players they are reopening the deal on Tuesday in Atlanta, a move that could result in a 2011 work stoppage.

"The owners have made it very clear that they intend to opt out of this agreement early," Upshaw said. "Our players are prepared for that."


Upshaw said the NFL owners have brought in negotiators used by the NHL before their lockout.

"The way that they are going all about this points directly to a lockout," Upshaw said.

Upshaw said the players will not reduce their 60 percent share of the league's revenue pie. He also said if the owners reopen the current agreement, it would result in the elimination of the league salary cap starting with the 2010 season. He warned if the cap is eliminated, the players will not agree to reinstitute it.

"I've made it clear to the owners that we're not accepting a deal that pays us less than we're already making," Upshaw said, pointing to growing annual revenue that tops $7 billion.

Dennis Curran, senior vice president and general counsel for the NFL's bargaining arm, expressed confidence a new agreement could be reached if the contract was reopened, but acknowledged the owners have issues with the current deal.

"It's too early to say," Curran said of whether the owners will opt out of the current deal. "I wouldn't want to predict what's going to happen, except I will say ... that a lot of our clubs are unhappy with the mechanics of the deal since 2006."


Information from Reuters was used in this report.

Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:32 pm
by yupchagee
I think Upsshaw is right. Expect no NFL in 2010.

Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:58 pm
by VetSkinsFan
That won't happen, the NFL is too lucrative. There will be an agreement made before the NFL ceases to perform.

Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 9:16 pm
by yupchagee
VetSkinsFan wrote:That won't happen, the NFL is too lucrative. There will be an agreement made before the NFL ceases to perform.


There have been lockouts before. I see no reason to think that either side has learned anything from the past.

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:00 am
by GSPODS
NFL Owners have voted unanimously to opt out of the current CBA.

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:01 am
by HEROHAMO
Lockout or strike???

Yes that means our team has a good chance to win the SuperBowl again! :D

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:05 am
by GSPODS
HEROHAMO wrote:Lockout or strike???

Yes that means our team has a good chance to win the SuperBowl again! :D


The owners claim the 60% the players are receiving is too one-sided.
There is no chance the players will take less money unless they get something very substantial in return.

I am sensing a lockout by the owners. But not until after an uncapped 2010.

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:10 am
by Cappster
GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:Lockout or strike???

Yes that means our team has a good chance to win the SuperBowl again! :D


The owners claim the 60% the players are receiving is too one-sided.
There is no chance the players will take less money unless they get something very substantial in return.

I am sensing a lockout by the owners. But not until after an uncapped 2010.


hmmm, 40% to 0% if a lockout occurs. Greed will ruin the sport if this happens.

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:16 am
by yupchagee
GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:Lockout or strike???

Yes that means our team has a good chance to win the SuperBowl again! :D


The owners claim the 60% the players are receiving is too one-sided.
There is no chance the players will take less money unless they get something very substantial in return.

I am sensing a lockout by the owners. But not until after an uncapped 2010.


My guess is that there will be a lockout in 2010 to avoid the uncapped yr.

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:48 am
by GSPODS
What does this mean to fans and games on the field?
Even without another agreement, NFL football will be played without threat of interruption for at least the next three seasons. The 2008 and 2009 seasons will be played with a salary cap. If there is no new agreement before the 2010 season, that season will be played without a salary cap under rules that also limit the free agency rights of the players. If not extended, the agreement would expire at the end of the 2010 league year.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessioni ... nfirm=true

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:58 am
by HEROHAMO
This has to happen. It is the way of business and greed.

This happens with all big business. Anyhow we can just hope that something is worked out before we miss any football. After it is settled it will happen again in twenty years or so.

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:49 am
by GSPODS
The owners want a change in the system to distribute a higher percentage of player salaries more to veterans than to unproven rookies. Their argument is based on a disparity in salaries that leaves them spending far more on unproven rookies than on dependable veterans.

The owners noted that they are paying $4.5 billion to players this year, just under 60 percent of their total revenues as specified in the 2006 agreement. League revenues are estimated at about $8.5 billion.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessioni ... nfirm=true

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:57 am
by BnGhog
But 2010 would be an uncapped year, in which the Dallas Cowboys and Washington Redskins could turn into the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox of the National Football League. Without a new collective bargaining agreement, teams such as the Cowboys and Redskins would be allowed to spend without any limits -– and likely would.

Conversely, other teams would not be forced to spend money and there would be no salary minimums imposed on them. They could turn into the NFL's version of the Kansas City Royals and Pittsburgh Pirates.


http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story;jse ... nfirm=true


Hmmm. That might not be bad... :-k